From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #432 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, November 13 2000 Volume 01 : Number 432 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: to sell or not to sell... RE: to sell or not to sell... RE: to sell or not to sell... RE: to sell or not to sell... Transmission Flare Diesel G-wagens, WAS: to sell or not to sell... 90 - 350 SDL - problems? search for 350SDL info on mbz.org on the 350SDL, check it out. more on the '90 350SDL 240D kickdown switch RE: 90 - 350 SDL - problems? RE: search for 350SDL Re: 90 - 350 SDL - problems? Search for 350SDL? Why? glow plug power on after dash light goes out? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:05:08 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: to sell or not to sell... John, John, John. What's up? Every time you get a Benz, you fix it up, find yourself amazed at the engineering, and then turn around and agonize over getting rid of it. Maybe you're just not getting the right model. You probably need to find an older Gelandewagen with the 5-cylinder turbodiesel out of your SD. Oh yeah, this exact combination was sold all over the world, except her in the US, of course. What better vehicle for your combined tastes of FSJ's and diesel Benzes? I'm pretty sure the model you should look for is the 300GD. Very few in the States, but keep your eyes and ears open. They DO exist, and they OCCASSIONALLY hit the market. OK. Let's all be polite, and simply ignore John's drool. ;-)) Alec - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 6:14 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: to sell or not to sell... I'm still trying to sell the 300SD, have an offer for $5,100. I just bought it and have well over $5,700 into it with the purchase price and parts... I'm trying to decide if I should advertise locally, where obviously the market is stronger, or just take the loss and be done with it. I need the money for concrete for my shop and the fuel injection conversion on my J10... and paint... and... ;) suggestions? thanx, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:29:11 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: to sell or not to sell... At 05:05 PM 11/12/00 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: >John, John, John. >Maybe you're just not getting the right model. You probably need to find an >older Gelandewagen with the 5-cylinder turbodiesel out of your SD. Oh yeah, >this exact combination was sold all over the world, except her in the US, of >course. What better vehicle for your combined tastes of FSJ's and diesel >Benzes? yep... I want one... Diesel powered of course... one of my FSJ type friends sold his FSJ and bought a UNIMOG. :) >I'm pretty sure the model you should look for is the 300GD. Very few in the >States, but keep your eyes and ears open. They DO exist, and they >OCCASSIONALLY hit the market. yeah, but will it cost more than my house??? they aren't cheap... :) - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:45:28 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: to sell or not to sell... There's one for sale RIGHT NOW! Found it on AutoTrader.com. An 82 300GD, red with 77000 miles, for sale by owner. Phone number, according to the site, is 512-371-7332. That area code is the Austin, Texas area. (Of course. We just SPENT our money replacing the Z3 with a plain 95 C280. ;-( ) Asking $20,000, so it depends what shape your house is in. ;-) Alec - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-virtual-cafe.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 5:29 PM To: Alec Cordova Cc: Diesel-Benz List Subject: RE: to sell or not to sell... At 05:05 PM 11/12/00 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: >John, John, John. >Maybe you're just not getting the right model. You probably need to find an >older Gelandewagen with the 5-cylinder turbodiesel out of your SD. Oh yeah, >this exact combination was sold all over the world, except her in the US, of >course. What better vehicle for your combined tastes of FSJ's and diesel >Benzes? yep... I want one... Diesel powered of course... one of my FSJ type friends sold his FSJ and bought a UNIMOG. :) >I'm pretty sure the model you should look for is the 300GD. Very few in the >States, but keep your eyes and ears open. They DO exist, and they >OCCASSIONALLY hit the market. yeah, but will it cost more than my house??? they aren't cheap... :) - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:50:41 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: to sell or not to sell... At 05:45 PM 11/12/00 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: >There's one for sale RIGHT NOW! > >Found it on AutoTrader.com. An 82 300GD, red with 77000 miles, for sale by >owner. >Phone number, according to the site, is 512-371-7332. That area code is the >Austin, Texas area. (Of course. We just SPENT our money replacing the Z3 >with a plain 95 C280. ;-( ) Asking $20,000, so it depends what shape your >house is in. ;-) > >Alec well, that isn't as bad as I thought it'd be... it's only about 18,000 more than I can afford... ;) what kind of mileage to do they get? Are they a luxury 4x4? I think they sell new for over 150k, right? john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:31:29 -0800 From: Michael Frank Subject: Transmission Flare Well, I feel silly. A couple of weeks ago I posted looking for the procedure to adjust a flaring transmission. A lister was kind enough to email me the appropriate pages from the manual. Today, I went out to perform the procedure. I didn't get too far, here's why. The first thing I did was to check the linkage action. I manually pushed the accelerator rod, and watched it, ever so slowly, come back to rest. The linkage was simply gunked up with old grease on top, and rust close to the transmission. Guess I should have looked before I asked. I popped open all the ball joints, cleaned and lubricating everything (Amsoil Spray Grease, John). When all was done, I took it for a ride and my transmission shifted perfectly. I'm not sure I understand why this would have caused a flare, but maybe I was just hearing the engine running on when I lifted. Mike Frank 1979 300CD New York ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:17:38 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Diesel G-wagens, WAS: to sell or not to sell... The new ones are selling in the US for somewhere in the mid-100's, I think. For that price, you get the interior luxury of a new S-class, plus a vehicle that will go anywhere, so I guess you could call them a luxury 4x4, but they definitely didn't forget the 4x4 part in these. ;-) I'm not sure if these have evolved like the Toyota Land Cruiser and the Land Rovers, where they were once VERY utilitarian, but they have dressed them up over the years. So I'm not sure what level of equipment would be in a 1982 model. With the turbodiesel motor that can get mid to high twenties in W123 and W126, and the proverbial "aerodynamics of a brick", I would expect everyday mileage around 20(?), decreasing rapidly as speed increases. Any input from current or former owners? Alec - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-virtual-cafe.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 5:51 PM To: Alec Cordova Cc: Diesel-Benz List Subject: RE: to sell or not to sell... At 05:45 PM 11/12/00 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: >There's one for sale RIGHT NOW! > >Found it on AutoTrader.com. An 82 300GD, red with 77000 miles, for sale by >owner. >Phone number, according to the site, is 512-371-7332. That area code is the >Austin, Texas area. (Of course. We just SPENT our money replacing the Z3 >with a plain 95 C280. ;-( ) Asking $20,000, so it depends what shape your >house is in. ;-) > >Alec well, that isn't as bad as I thought it'd be... it's only about 18,000 more than I can afford... ;) what kind of mileage to do they get? Are they a luxury 4x4? I think they sell new for over 150k, right? john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:20:53 -0800 From: john Subject: 90 - 350 SDL - problems? a friend back east is looking at buying a low mileage (74,000) 1990 350 SDL. I've heard of problems with them... Can someone please let me know, and reply all, as to what they are and which years were the worst... or best. And maybe how much you'd expect to pay for a nice one. It looks like I'm going to accept the $5,200 offer on my '83 300SD... (however I noticed sludge in the oil of my '83 J10... problem is if I don't sell the benz I can't finish my shop so I couldn't rebuild the engine anyway... ;) rofl... thanx, john ====================================================================================== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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That was the OM617 line of engines. The >-->5-cylinder may have been used for a year or two after 1985 in the W126 >-->300SD. Around that time, I believe they switched to a 6-cylinder design, >-->but >-->I don't know the engine family number. I also do not know when or if >-->intercoolers were used, except that they were not used on the W123 300D, or >-->on the W126 300SD, as far as I know. >--> >-->The motor in the 350SD or 350 SDL is a six cylinder design that has >-->sometimes shown a tendency to wear the cylinders unevenly. They end up with >-->somewhat of an oval bore, instead of purely cylindrical, and nasty things >-->happen as a result. You can probably find 350 motors that run and last like >-->list members expect MB diesels to do, but you will find a lot more problem >-->350 motors than of any other Mercedes diesel sold in the US in the last >-->twenty or thirty years. >--> >-->Other than that 350 motor, all of the Mercedes turbodiesels are glorious >-->engines. Only having owned an 85, I am partial to those, but I understand >-->that the mid 90's brought 24-valve 6-cylinder turbodiesels in the W124 300D >-->that were quite peppy. other pages that came up when I searched for 350 SDL: (use the find feature in your browser, search for 350 SDL) http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-309.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-174.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-302.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-380.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-345.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-175.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-274.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-368.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-308.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-275.txt - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:59:09 -0800 From: john Subject: info on mbz.org on the 350SDL, check it out. http://www.mbz.org/complaints/350D/ - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:02:57 -0800 From: john Subject: more on the '90 350SDL Marshall... this confirms what I heard... so it's understandable why it has low miles... although it's possible mercedes might deal with the problem... see below... john ============= Which Cars? S-Class TurboDiesel Mercedes model years 1990 through 1995. Includes W-126 with engine 603.970 (1990 350SDL, 1991 350SD, 1991 350SDL) and W-140 with engine 603.971 (1992 300SD, 1993 300SD, 1994 S350, 1995 S350.) http://www.mbz.org/complaints/350D/ more excerpts: If there is any good news in this sordid tale, it's that MB has "worked" with owners 350's that have less than 100k miles. I personally know of an offer to one list member to replace the parts if he'll go for the labor. Another lister, Jackie Mason, recently shared that his S350 that's for sale has a new engine courtesy of MB. His may have been covered by a Starmark warranty, now that I recall his e-mail. - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:00:05 -0600 From: "Italiano, Joseph J" Subject: 240D kickdown switch Listers I located the reason why my 240D transmission won't kickdown from 4th to 3 when I put my foot to the floor...the pedal never reaches the kickdown switch. Now the problem is what to adjust. Can you adjust the switch position in any way to raise it, or do I have to adjust the linkage. The throttle on the injection pump is hitting the full throttle stop before the accelerator pedel hits the kickdown switch. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:30:36 -0800 From: Alec.Cordova-at-quintus.com Subject: RE: 90 - 350 SDL - problems? I have no direct experience with it, but my understanding is that ALL available model years of the 1990's-era 3.5 liter, 6 cylinder MB turbodiesel have the same weakness. Although there are some mailing list members with this engine that have no unusual problems, this engine has a much higher than MB-average tendency for the cylinders to become somewhat oval in shape, rather than exactly round. This is not like the 300E M103 6-cylinder gas engine's proclivity for head gasket leaks. That situation can be "managed" by feeding oil regularly, and temporarily appeased with a new head gasket. Once cylinders become ovalized (?), your options become VERY limited and VERY expensive. Based on what I have heard, I would personally not buy any 350SDL. Alec -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:21 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Cc: MS-KS-at-msn.com Subject: 90 - 350 SDL - problems? a friend back east is looking at buying a low mileage (74,000) 1990 350 SDL. I've heard of problems with them... Can someone please let me know, and reply all, as to what they are and which years were the worst... or best. And maybe how much you'd expect to pay for a nice one. It looks like I'm going to accept the $5,200 offer on my '83 300SD... (however I noticed sludge in the oil of my '83 J10... problem is if I don't sell the benz I can't finish my shop so I couldn't rebuild the engine anyway... ;) rofl... thanx, john ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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Disclaimer: NONE OF MY INFO IS FROM DIRECT EXPERIENCE with the 350SDL. Alec -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:48 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: search for 350SDL I found this info during a search on my server: Subject: Re: info on the 350 SDl I used my search engine, came up with a few digests: here's probably the best info (from this page): http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-309.txt >-->Through 1985, it was a 3.0 liter, 5-cylinder motor, with around 130 >-->horsepower (US measurement). That was the OM617 line of engines. The >-->5-cylinder may have been used for a year or two after 1985 in the W126 >-->300SD. Around that time, I believe they switched to a 6-cylinder design, >-->but >-->I don't know the engine family number. I also do not know when or if >-->intercoolers were used, except that they were not used on the W123 300D, or >-->on the W126 300SD, as far as I know. >--> >-->The motor in the 350SD or 350 SDL is a six cylinder design that has >-->sometimes shown a tendency to wear the cylinders unevenly. They end up with >-->somewhat of an oval bore, instead of purely cylindrical, and nasty things >-->happen as a result. You can probably find 350 motors that run and last like >-->list members expect MB diesels to do, but you will find a lot more problem >-->350 motors than of any other Mercedes diesel sold in the US in the last >-->twenty or thirty years. >--> >-->Other than that 350 motor, all of the Mercedes turbodiesels are glorious >-->engines. Only having owned an 85, I am partial to those, but I understand >-->that the mid 90's brought 24-valve 6-cylinder turbodiesels in the W124 300D >-->that were quite peppy. other pages that came up when I searched for 350 SDL: (use the find feature in your browser, search for 350 SDL) http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-309.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-174.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-302.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-380.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-345.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-175.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-274.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-368.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-308.txt http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-275.txt - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:55:41 -0800 From: "B. K. Darnell" Subject: Re: 90 - 350 SDL - problems? Guys: Good morning! With all of the nightmare scenarios and information out there on the 3.5 Litre diesels, why would anyone risk the heartache and expense? As an owner of a 93 W-140 S-class, Mercedes has proven to espouse the Ford Motor Company approach to public relations in correcting these issues. Short of picketing the local dealer with a "Lemons For Sale" sign and a .44 Magnum, good luck in getting any response from MBNA. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: john To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: 90 - 350 SDL - problems? > a friend back east is looking at buying a low mileage (74,000) > 1990 350 SDL. I've heard of problems with them... Can someone > please let me know, and reply all, as to what they are and which > years were the worst... or best. And maybe how much you'd expect to > pay for a nice one. > > It looks like I'm going to accept the $5,200 offer on my '83 300SD... > (however I noticed sludge in the oil of my '83 J10... problem is if > I don't sell the benz I can't finish my shop so I couldn't rebuild the > engine anyway... ;) rofl... > > thanx, > john > ============================================================================ ========== > To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no > subject needed, > in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] > end > > (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) > > You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to > any of the lists > to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less > traffic). Please do not > send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text > to the lists. > > The "FOUR" List Rules: > 1) NO flames. > 2) NO foul language. > 3) keep it Family oriented. > 4) keep the subject list oriented. > > to post, email [xj | fsj | diesel-benz]-at-digest.net > > to unsubscribe, email majordomo-at-digest.net > in the message: > > unsubscribe (list name) (your email) > end > > ============================================================================ ========== > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > remember, leaving life with out Jesus isn't recommended... > http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE > ============================================================================ ========== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:07:54 -0800 From: "B. K. Darnell" Subject: Search for 350SDL? Why? With all due respect to my fellow listers, I am happy to extend my Silver 93 300SD with new Bridgestone Turanzas for sale to anyone interested. I can't believe that anyone would pursue one of these cars. I found the information on these cars by mistake on the internet (thanks in part to the diesel-benz digest), and I was ill and bed-ridden for three days. Life's too short to drive a 3.5L M-B diesel. C'mon guys...listen up! There's too many credible resources on this list. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:33 AM Subject: RE: search for 350SDL > Cool! Someone quoting me for reference. This sure looks like something I > wrote, and I think I'm the only list member who continually refers to these > turbodiesels as "glorious" engines. > > So this information is probably from the same source as the message I just > posted. > > Disclaimer: NONE OF MY INFO IS FROM DIRECT EXPERIENCE with the 350SDL. > > Alec > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] > On Behalf Of john > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:48 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: search for 350SDL > > I found this info during a search on my server: > > Subject: Re: info on the 350 SDl > > I used my search engine, came up with a few digests: > > here's probably the best info (from this page): > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-309.txt > >-->Through 1985, it was a 3.0 liter, 5-cylinder motor, with around 130 > >-->horsepower (US measurement). That was the OM617 line of engines. The > >-->5-cylinder may have been used for a year or two after 1985 in the W126 > >-->300SD. Around that time, I believe they switched to a 6-cylinder > design, > >-->but > >-->I don't know the engine family number. I also do not know when or if > >-->intercoolers were used, except that they were not used on the W123 > 300D, or > >-->on the W126 300SD, as far as I know. > >--> > >-->The motor in the 350SD or 350 SDL is a six cylinder design that has > >-->sometimes shown a tendency to wear the cylinders unevenly. They end up > with > >-->somewhat of an oval bore, instead of purely cylindrical, and nasty > things > >-->happen as a result. You can probably find 350 motors that run and last > like > >-->list members expect MB diesels to do, but you will find a lot more > problem > >-->350 motors than of any other Mercedes diesel sold in the US in the last > >-->twenty or thirty years. > >--> > >-->Other than that 350 motor, all of the Mercedes turbodiesels are > glorious > >-->engines. Only having owned an 85, I am partial to those, but I > understand > >-->that the mid 90's brought 24-valve 6-cylinder turbodiesels in the W124 > 300D > >-->that were quite peppy. > > > other pages that came up when I searched for 350 SDL: > (use the find feature in your browser, search for 350 SDL) > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-309.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-174.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-302.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-380.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-345.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-175.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-274.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-368.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-308.txt > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-275.txt > > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:57:30 -0600 From: "Italiano, Joseph J" Subject: glow plug power on after dash light goes out? Can someone confirm or deny that on a 240D the power is still on the glow plugs even after the glow plug light on the dash goes out. I was searching for an anwer on my kickdown switch question and came upon a site where someone who sounds like he knows what he is talking about (I can't remember the site...too much surfing) indicates in a section on cold starting of MB diesels to wait another 20 seconds after the glow plug dash light goes out before you attempt to start in cold weather. He indicates that, depending upon the model, power is left on to the glow plugs for anywhere from 15 to 60 seconds after the glow plug dash light goes off, or until the starter is activated and then released. Is he correct? I always assumed that when the glow plug light went off, the power to the glow plugs went away also. Thanks Joe (learning more about these machines every day.) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #432 *********************************