From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #442 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 442 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: listless in Montana from Montana... Blow-by Re: Blow-by Re: 1979 88hp 300D anti-sieze? Re: anti-sieze? Re: Radio Replacements (was: Becker refurbishing?) Re: W123 Tires (again!) Badges on grill Re: anti-sieze? Re: anti-sieze? Re: W123 Tires (again!) nice old CornBinder needs good home... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:43:01 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: listless in Montana At 06:38 AM 11/27/00 -0500, Chris Straut wrote: >John, you're telling me that I can have more than one block heater? :-) > >Question: has anyone noticed how much current these things draw when they're >running? The power meter starts spinning much faster when I plug my car in. > >Chris Sure, why not? There are two freeze plugs on the side of the block, right? The issue in this case was the voltage. By placing two 110v heaters in series you can use 220V to run them. The current draw through the heaters remains the same, however, because you have two of them, you'll double the wattage, or, more pragmatically, cutting the time in half needed to warm the engine. You might want to check with Mercedes or a mechanic to see if there are limitations on the use of the freezer plugs. There might be a physical restriction requiring the use of the back one or the front one. If only one plug can be used, then find a comparable 110v load, maybe another heater element of similar wattage and install it as well. Or, even use a light bulb of the same wattage. By placing the two EQUAL wattage items in series you effectively drop the voltage equally across both components, leaving 110v across each item. A caveat though, it would be better to use two of the same type of heating elements so they have similar electrical properties. A light bulb acts as a short for a brief instant and then increases it's resistance as it gets hotter. For the most part a heating element will do the same thing, but using either in this situation (220v) may reduce their life. The other issue is the 50Hz vs. 60Hz. Not a big deal, you'll lose a little bit of the effective heating capability as the duty cycle will be less. This could compensate for the voltage difference on startup negating any useful life losses. Hey, what we're doing here will work, but it's a "hack". It'd be better to just buy the correct part that will work at the correct voltage. :) All this reminds me is I'm facing a deadline for an article for FSJ magazine, the third in a series on wiring in FUll Size Jeeps... rofl... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:04:21 -0800 From: john Subject: from Montana... Hi John and all the others trying to help me. You are right, I have no idea, why the computer does not accept my mailings. Well, I might have mixed up my email addresses though.... Anyway, the idea with using two block heaters is smart. But I think you can only replace one freeze plug with a block heater since the water channel behind the second one doesn't allow you to screw it in enough. The big transformators are tooooo expensive. These freeze plug heaters need about 500 W. building my own transformator with this size costs me an other 100 bucks or so. If I then add about 50 bucks for the 110 V heater, I will end up with the price of a normal 230V heater in Germany. So my only chance to save some Dollars woud be to find one over here. Don't some people use 230V in their houses for stuff that needs a lot of electricity? I think I have heard of ovens and so an that run with 230V. If this is so, then there must be the thing I am looking for somewhere in this country... Hey, I am in Bozeman, the middle of nowhere. I might go to Seattle for the christmas time or maybe somewhen in January. I'm not sure yet. Bye and thanks again for your help, Thoprsten =============== Thorsten... shoot, get on I-90 head West, turn right onto I-405, then right onto SR522, then left on SR9, go 6 miles and voila, you're at my driveway. simple. :) Yes we do use 220v for a variety of things, like hot water heaters, heaters, welding... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 00 20:53:43 PST From: Thomas Parsons Subject: Blow-by I have an 85 300D Turbo w/181,000, no smoke or oil usage. It does, however, have a little blow-by that comes out of the oil filler with the cap off, running. The question is-how much is too much? The car starts and runs great. It was suggested that I do a compression check and be concerned if any cyls. come in under 400psi. Thanks in advance. http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:59:55 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Blow-by At 08:53 PM 11/27/00 -0800, Thomas Parsons wrote: >I have an 85 300D Turbo w/181,000, no smoke or oil usage. It does, however, >have a little blow-by that comes out of the oil filler with the cap off, >running. The question is-how much is too much? The car starts and runs >great. It was suggested that I do a compression check and be concerned if >any >cyls. come in under 400psi. Thanks in advance. >http://home.netscape.com/webmail The real key is how much oil consumption and whether or not the breather tube is open. If you don't use more than a quart in 800-1000 miles then you are probably fine. A little blow-by is expected. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:17:05 +0800 From: pgutierrez-at-adb.org Subject: Re: 1979 88hp 300D Does anyone know what engine numbers (or starting from what engine number) had 88hp? Thanks, Philip _________________________________________________________ To learn more about the Asian Development Bank, please visit our website at http://www.adb.org. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:21:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: anti-sieze? Not sure when it'll stop raining again... but when it does, and after I finish fixing the picket fence I broke 4 years ago, and... ;) anyway, question is, should I use anti-sieze compound on the new glowplugs? later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:26:45 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Re: anti-sieze? John, I started using anti-sieze on all my glow plugs when I started having all the problems blowing them out. As you recall, over the past 12 months I've replaced over two complete sets onezy/twozy along the way. Sure makes changing them a snap ;) Also remember I mentioned along the way that ONE bad glow plug will make starting EXTREEMLY hard. Here in Wisconsin anyway. If I was missing one plug and the temperature got below freezing it would take 90 SECONDS of cranking before the cylinders generated enough heat to start. Below low 20's and forget it. I had a timer for the block heater that would come on 4 hours before I had to leave for work and at work I found a parking place next to the building that had an outlet right there on the wall and that was MY parking place ;) I kept it plugged in all day ;) Jim/ '83 240D... Mega electrical problems but haven't lost any glow plugs since using the BERU brand :) john wrote: > Not sure when it'll stop raining again... but when it does, and after > I finish fixing the picket fence I broke 4 years ago, and... ;) > > anyway, question is, should I use anti-sieze compound on the new glowplugs? > > later, > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com > don't leave life without Jesus, please... > Snohomish, Washington USA > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:55:40 From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Re: Radio Replacements (was: Becker refurbishing?) I'd recommend Blaupunkt... they are once again being built by Robert Bosch corporation...not Sony anymore. >From: "John Heflin" >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Radio Replacements (was: Becker refurbishing?) >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:06:40 -0500 > >I, as sure as others would agree, recommend getting an Alpine, its a >perfect >fit! > >John Heflin >69 280SE 4.5 >78 240D > >If >>you're planning on investing anything in a sound system in your car, Go >>Sony or Pioneer. The Becker Grand Prix should be your last choice. I >>wouldn't even reccomend them to my enemies to listen to AM radio with! > > >------------------------------------------------------ >For Sale: 1999 5-piece Dark Blue Pearl Export Drumset >with 14-in hi-hats and 18-in crash/ride, both sabian, >double brace stands included as well as extra cymbal >stand, Brand new heads on all drums. ~$700~ >email: greenmercedes240D-at-hotmail.com if interested >------------------------------------------------------ > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:03:56 From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Re: W123 Tires (again!) My speedo on my '83 300SD (W126) seems to be off... I ran alongside my Jeep, and I realized that 65mph on the Jeep equated to 70mph on the Mercedes. I know the Jeep is accurate. I have 195 14" on the Benz. I have been thinking of getting the newer style rims (found on 1986 and higher Mercedes cars) and putting on the 205 15" --- Larger tires like that might correct the speedo? Yes? Mike M. '83 300SD W126 '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ >From: Mark Fountain >To: Chris Straut >CC: Diesel Benz >Subject: Re: W123 Tires (again!) >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:29:31 -0800 > >Chris, >Unless the tire specs changed fro 82 to 85, the OEM size for the 14 inch >alloy >rims on the 123 sedan is 195 70 R14 except for the wagon which has 15 inch >wheels (I think). I bought the Michelin X series at Costco 2 years and >50,000 >miles ago and have been pleased with them. Tread wear appears that they >have at >least 30,000 more miles to go. The odometer became accurate to within 1 >percent >with these tires. I don't that I have never driven a car that measured the >miles >this accurately. > >Have a great Turky Day >Mark Fountain > >Chris Straut wrote: > > > Here we go again :) Tires! > > > > When I bought my '85 300D it had some generic 205/70R14's on it, and >they're > > worn to the point where it's time to start looking for replacements. > > > > Anyone know what the OEM tire (brand/model) was on an '85 300D? I know >the > > standard size was 185/70R14. The oversized tires work well.. would >there > > be any benefit in going back to the factory size when I buy new tires? > > > > I've decided to buy Michilen, but I'm not sure which series I should be > > looking at. The Energy MXV4's are nice, but do I really need a sport > > touring tire for a car that tops out at 120mph? I would gladly pay the > > premium for MXV4's if it would be beneficial. I also looked at the >Symmetry > > series, which is cheaper and is also geared towards luxury cars. > > > > Any thoughts on this, guys? > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Bridgeport, WV > > 85 300D, 86k _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:18:07 From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Badges on grill Does anyone know where I can get the "milestone" badges for the front grill of my Benz? You know the ones that says 150,000 miles or 200,000 miles... Mike M. '83 300SD W126 '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:42:06 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Youngquist Subject: Re: anti-sieze? On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, john wrote: > anyway, question is, should I use anti-sieze compound on the new > glowplugs? I've taken to using anti-sieze on anything that takes a lot of heat. I got the lifetime supply bottle at Napa, I think it was about 8 oz. for $8 or so. Dan Youngquist Homestead Products Grain mills, water filters, lanterns, simple living & outdoors items http://www.teleport.com/~dany tel# 208-926-7137 / fax# 208-926-7139 / dany-at-teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:48:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Subject: Re: anti-sieze? On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, john wrote: > anyway, question is, should I use anti-sieze compound on the new glowplugs? On the glow plug topic, what is the suggested torque for glow plugs in a 617 engine? I can't find a spec in the CDROM manual. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Youngquist Subject: Re: W123 Tires (again!) On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Mike Mehringer wrote: > My speedo on my '83 300SD (W126) seems to be off... I ran alongside > my Jeep, and I realized that 65mph on the Jeep equated to 70mph on the > Mercedes. I know the Jeep is accurate. I have 195 14" on the Benz. > I have been thinking of getting the newer style rims (found on 1986 > and higher Mercedes cars) and putting on the 205 15" --- Larger tires > like that might correct the speedo? Yes? The real test is to run it for 4-5 miles by the mileposts on the freeway, maintaining exactly the same speed, and time it. Within +/- 5mph from 60mph, 1 second per mile = 1mph more or less than 60mph. For example, if you time 57 seconds for each mile you went, you were going exactly 63mph. If during the test your speedo said 68, you take 68 / 63 and conclude that you need tires that are 7.9% larger to correct your speedo. You may also want to check your odometer at the same time, and if they're different, decide which one you want to be accurate. Another consideration is, what's a different tire size going to do to your fuel mileage? If your engine is right at the max. torque RPM at your normal cruising speed, going to larger tires might decrease MPG. If it's turning faster than that, then you might see an increase in MPG. If your speedo reads 70 with 195/70R14's, then 205/70R15's will make it read 65.9, and 195/75R15's will make it read 65.3. Dan Youngquist Homestead Products Grain mills, water filters, lanterns, simple living & outdoors items http://www.teleport.com/~dany tel# 208-926-7137 / fax# 208-926-7139 / dany-at-teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:53:36 -0800 From: john Subject: nice old CornBinder needs good home... Will you help find a good home for a nice old Corn Binder? They're special, they're orphans... it needs to be rescued... Will you open your heart and (yard) to help out? It'll be getting colder soon... can you help? ;) One of the guys on my Diesel Benz list offered it to me... It's very, very tempting, but it's about 7 hours away from here... (it's in Walport, Oregon, on the ocean). I've confered with two of my IH type buddies, and they face the same dilema... it's 7 hours away... that's a lot of fuel, time and risk. It's west of Eugene, Oregon... maybe someone can drag it closer to Portland and pass it along to me that way... of course when I showed a picture of what 1962 IH pickup looks like she said, "that's nice looking", but when I said a friend was giving one to me, her expression transfigured... with that, "oh no, not ANOTHER old rig in my yard"... (I'm really doing pretty good... only have 6 vehicles, a trailer, and a motorcycle right now... and 2 of the vehicles and motorcycle aren't really mine, they're my kids... and one of the rigs has a new owner who will be coming to get it one of these days... so, Sanford and Son I'm not... not yet anyway... ;) Anyway, I'm rambling... with no Rambler... Here's the details: ===================== '62 cornbinder, comes with a camper, the bed is cut towards the back to accept the camper, 4 on the floor, new exhaust, very few miles on a rebuilt 2bbl carb, I think it's the small v-8, but it's a v-8 for sure. The clutch plate and flywheel are rusted together, but it runs. It's free for the taking, whoever wants it has to go to Waldport, OR, and get it. It's parked at my inlaws house, the camper is sitting on it's own supports next to the p/u, get the camper on the truck and take it away, please! Oh, I lost myself there. My inlaws have the title -at- their home. The body has rust on it, the tires are pretty old. What else would you like to know wabout it? Diesel Dan, your "Take my old cornbinder, please!) man in Vancouver the one south of B.C. email Dan at: Dan Jacobs ===================== - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #442 *********************************