From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #445 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, December 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 445 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: administrivia: notes on using this list clueless in Olympia Re: 1974 240D Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? engine swaps, conversions and non-standard upgrades Re: 1963 190d question RE: 300SD Replacement Headlights? RE: 300SD Replacement Headlights? some advice Re: some advice test message [none] Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:45:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site for Krusty. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:54:55 -0800 From: john Subject: clueless in Olympia traffic is bad. voters have been voting to reduce excessive taxes. so what do the dingalings (democrats?) in Olympia want to do solve the problem? raise taxes: http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/blue30.shtml hey, I have an idea, how about reducing government? how about using the existing outrageous fuel taxes for roads instead of the general fund? Of course John Carlson tried to do something about it... :( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:20:40 -0600 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: 1974 240D Thanks to everybody who responded to my compatibility question. Now for your reward. Another question... ;o) Are there any cross compatibility issues between let's say '79 through '82? And if so, what are these, and what year(s) do they affect? Thanks again, VT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:17:16 From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? Yes, the Euro style lights are more expensive in the USA than the American style lights.... the Euro lights here in the USA are about double price... but they are also better quality. I'm not sure about bumper assy's.... Mike M. '83 300SD W126 '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ >From: SiregarAbdi-at-tpj.co.id >To: "Mike Mehringer" >CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:24:08 +0700 > > > >Is the price of European style for headlights and bumpers assy (used >condition) >compare to American style is more expensive, in USA? > >Regards, >Abdi Siregar > >Jakarta, Indonesia > > > > > >"Mike Mehringer" on 21/11/2000 21:17:00 > >To: barnaby-at-barnaby.net, diesel-benz-at-digest.net >cc: (bcc: Abdi Siregar/TPJ) > >Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > > > > I'm assuming you have the American style (double round on each side) >headlights... Consider the European (flat) headlights... they look a >million >times better, and provide more vibrant light using the same amount of >power. > I purchased the Euro lights for my '83 300SD (W126) and it makes the car >look 10 years newer. I got them from Adsit Company, (800)521-7656 or >www.adsitco.com, and I got $100.00 credit when I sent the old headlights >back to them. > >Mike M. >'83 300SD W126 >'95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ > > > >From: Richard Barnaby > >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >Subject: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:34:03 -0800 > > > >I know there was some discussion about headlights, but I can't find it > >exactly. > >Is there some "better-than-standard" Headlight, foglight for 79 300SD > >anyone can point to. > >TIA > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:51:46 -0800 From: john Subject: engine swaps, conversions and non-standard upgrades At 07:20 AM 12/1/00 -0600, Vernon Tuck wrote: >Are there any cross compatibility issues between let's say '79 through '82? >And if so, what are these, and what year(s) do they affect? >Thanks again, >VT Finding out if a part from one year will work with another isn't usually easy to do. The dealer won't always have visibility of it. A wrecking yard, parts store and a shop that works with that make a lot will have some insight. One place that has helped me is the dealer parts department. They can compare part numbers and applicability, also may compare parts side by side. I've also found wrecking yards, used parts resellers and even parts stores to be helpful in figuring things like this out. You go in saying I need XYZ part for my '74. Then ask the guy what years that part worked. That'll be a BIGGER help than the dealer as the aftermarket parts sources will try to make parts more universal to fit a wider range of years, thereby reducing their inventory requirements. :) It would be nice if there were a major cross-reference/compatability chart, typically there isn't such a thing for any vehicle. Even Jeeps and other 4x4s don't have such a thing, necessarily. Swapping in a newer engine in an older rig is usually doable. To make it easy outfits like Advance Adapters have created tables and such, but they usually deal with trucks and 4x4s. Hot Rod magazine has published some charts, there's books that show the possibilities... but they're mainly aimed at domestic iron or trucks (of course I haven't read a Hot Rod in about 15 years now :). European imports usually don't get much attention. Mainly because they're designed well, there isn't a lot of room, and the vehicles cost more. So, to answer the question in one line: dealer, wrecking yards, parts stores Swapping, conversions and such require a good deal of research, fabrication and an untold number of problems to resolve. you solve one, another surfaces. After about a year or two you've got the bugs all worked out and something breaks or wears out and you have to figure out exactly what year that part was from. :) But simply installing a newer engine in an older rig usually doesn't produce as many troubles. If you can get the entire driveline, running gear, wiring and all plumbing and mounts from the donor vehicle then it's much easier when it comes to repairs or service. You look at the service manager or mechanic and say, look, I know this appears to be a 1968 Ford Cortina, but trust me, you'll be tuning a 1985 Mercedes 300SD. Do we understand each other? At which point he'll either be laughing, nodding or asking you to remove this "fill-in-the-blank" from his shop. ;) Would I do another conversion. Sure, but only after careful analysis. In a car it's not worth it unless you're making a hot rod or a custom rig, or you plan on keeping the vehicle for ever, because selling such an Albatros that isn't a truck or a 4x4 is the ultimate "white elephant". I'd do it in another Jeep in a heartbeat, with the right vehicle and the funds available. I've toyed with the idea of sticking a variety of engines in my J10. At this point emissions testing, time, funds and shop limitations has me doing a TBI conversion on the stock engine. For what it cost I probably could have purchased a clean 4.0L engine and trans and converted it over to a MPI setup. Problem is that's a lot of work and a lot of engineering. I've thought about dropping a later model Turbo Diesel into my 81 300D (or my Jeep. ;). It would have been doable, but everyone I talked to discouraged it. There were too many unknowns. It would probably fit without modifications, but the plumbing would have been a major challenge. Remember it's hard enough to deal with the german documentation on a stock rig. :) I've seen a few V8 conversions in a Mercedes and in Jags... they're never really right unless it was done professionally. And even then it's not ideal. Don't know if all this helped or not... it's a tough call. If the vehicle is in good condition it might be worth the effort to keep it stock. If you think it won't have "collector" value and you have the skills... rock on. Otherwise, have the existing engine rebuilt or sell the car and get a newer one. :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:24:09 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: 1963 190d question At 12:44 PM 12/1/00 -0500, Wezzy1-at-aol.com wrote: >Hello. I like your page. So far, I've had 4 diesel mercedes. my first was a >77 300d, bright yellow. That went for 480,000 miles w/o a problem, then it >got totaled. I got an 81 300sd, which i sold for an 86 300sdl. I have the sdl >still, but I am also buying a 63 190d tomorrow. I want to replace a few >things, the shifter was put on the floor, it used to be on the column. I was >wondering where you think i could get a fender, and this shifter and linkage >for the trans. The car is pretty, and i'll send you pictures b4 and after >it's resoration. Thanks, hope to hear from you soon...Karl Not sure where you're located, but Seattle has three possible sources: Benz Friends, Aurora Wrecking and maybe Fitz. The order indicates the likliehood of success. Another source would be the Diesel-Benz list on digest.net, see below for details on how to subscribe. There are folks on the list in Europe, however something this old would most likely have rusted away in Germany. :( found the following info on: http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html model: W110.110 engine: M621.912 designator:190Dc years: 1962-65 hp: 60 I've owned a 68 220d, 74 450SEL, 75 240D, 81 300D and currently an '83 300SD. I'm selling my 300SD, but in a few years I hope to replace it with an '85 300CD. :) I have two teenaged drivers... insurance costs on 5 vehicles is quite expensive... :( and you don't just park a benz... you have to drive them. :) later, john ====================================================================================== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. 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Mike is right - the Euro style lights are much more expensive than the American style lights here in the US. I've exchanged a few emails with W123 owners in Indonesia. You guys prefer the American-style lights and bumper assemblies, don't you? We should set up an exchange. Many W123 owners on this list prefer the Euro lights and would probably be interested in a trade! Chris Straut '85 300D, 87k - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Mike Mehringer Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:17 PM To: SiregarAbdi-at-tpj.co.id Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? Yes, the Euro style lights are more expensive in the USA than the American style lights.... the Euro lights here in the USA are about double price... but they are also better quality. I'm not sure about bumper assy's.... Mike M. '83 300SD W126 '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ >From: SiregarAbdi-at-tpj.co.id >To: "Mike Mehringer" >CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:24:08 +0700 > > > >Is the price of European style for headlights and bumpers assy (used >condition) >compare to American style is more expensive, in USA? > >Regards, >Abdi Siregar > >Jakarta, Indonesia > > > > > >"Mike Mehringer" on 21/11/2000 21:17:00 > >To: barnaby-at-barnaby.net, diesel-benz-at-digest.net >cc: (bcc: Abdi Siregar/TPJ) > >Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > > > > I'm assuming you have the American style (double round on each side) >headlights... Consider the European (flat) headlights... they look a >million >times better, and provide more vibrant light using the same amount of >power. > I purchased the Euro lights for my '83 300SD (W126) and it makes the car >look 10 years newer. I got them from Adsit Company, (800)521-7656 or >www.adsitco.com, and I got $100.00 credit when I sent the old headlights >back to them. > >Mike M. >'83 300SD W126 >'95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ > > > >From: Richard Barnaby > >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >Subject: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:34:03 -0800 > > > >I know there was some discussion about headlights, but I can't find it > >exactly. > >Is there some "better-than-standard" Headlight, foglight for 79 300SD > >anyone can point to. > >TIA > >___________________________________________________________________________ __________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:54:02 -0500 From: "John Heflin" Subject: RE: 300SD Replacement Headlights? A friend of mine has a new pair of euro lights for a 123-era benz that he's looking to possibly sell (as well as a set of 5-spoke alloy rims). let me know if anyone is intrested. located in maryland john 78 240D >From: "Chris Straut" >To: "Mike Mehringer" , > >CC: >Subject: RE: 300SD Replacement Headlights? >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:57:38 -0500 > >Mike is right - the Euro style lights are much more expensive than the >American style lights here in the US. I've exchanged a few emails with >W123 >owners in Indonesia. You guys prefer the American-style lights and bumper >assemblies, don't you? We should set up an exchange. Many W123 owners on >this list prefer the Euro lights and would probably be interested in a >trade! > >Chris Straut >'85 300D, 87k > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Mike Mehringer >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:17 PM >To: SiregarAbdi-at-tpj.co.id >Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > > > Yes, the Euro style lights are more expensive in the USA than the >American style lights.... the Euro lights here in the USA are about double >price... but they are also better quality. I'm not sure about bumper >assy's.... > >Mike M. >'83 300SD W126 >'95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ > > > >From: SiregarAbdi-at-tpj.co.id > >To: "Mike Mehringer" > >CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:24:08 +0700 > > > > > > > >Is the price of European style for headlights and bumpers assy (used > >condition) > >compare to American style is more expensive, in USA? > > > >Regards, > >Abdi Siregar > > > >Jakarta, Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > >"Mike Mehringer" on 21/11/2000 21:17:00 > > > >To: barnaby-at-barnaby.net, diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >cc: (bcc: Abdi Siregar/TPJ) > > > >Subject: Re: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > > > > > > > > I'm assuming you have the American style (double round on each side) > >headlights... Consider the European (flat) headlights... they look a > >million > >times better, and provide more vibrant light using the same amount of > >power. > > I purchased the Euro lights for my '83 300SD (W126) and it makes the >car > >look 10 years newer. I got them from Adsit Company, (800)521-7656 or > >www.adsitco.com, and I got $100.00 credit when I sent the old headlights > >back to them. > > > >Mike M. > >'83 300SD W126 > >'95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ > > > > > > >From: Richard Barnaby > > >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > >Subject: 300SD Replacement Headlights? > > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:34:03 -0800 > > > > > >I know there was some discussion about headlights, but I can't find it > > >exactly. > > >Is there some "better-than-standard" Headlight, foglight for 79 300SD > > >anyone can point to. > > >TIA > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >__________ > > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:21:42 -0800 From: john Subject: some advice for some reason this bounced, so i'm forwarding it. :) (with spaces to fake out the s/w) john end (because majordumbo is deserving a promotion to colonel. ;) Same here. Attention lis t! when you rep ly to a po st and are sending it to the list, be sure to remove everyones email a ddress except diesel-benz-at-digest.net so they won't recieve double copies. I only get to check my mail once every few days and since jo ining the list i g et swamped! thanks John Heflin 69 280SE -winter project 78 240D -winter object - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:11:14 -0600 From: "Tucklings" Subject: Re: some advice Thank you! Vern (who's been sending mail to myself..) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:23:42 -0800 From: john Subject: test message test... just got a weird error message no need to reply. john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:03:23 -0000 From: "Nonneman, Gerd" Subject: [none] Could anybody tell me if there is a way to get hold of used right-hand-drive S-class diesels (pref. turbo) of the 1991-99 shape in the UK? I haven't been able to locate any in the usual adverts, not do they feature in price lists, car magazines, etc. I would be looking for an early one. Gerd Nonneman g.nonneman-at-lancaster.ac.uk ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #445 *********************************