From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #450 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, December 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 450 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Your Benz on the web Re: Busy summer, new shop roof Re: S.E. Wisconsin diesel prices Re: Busy summer, new shop roof Re: Your Benz on the web Re: S.E. Wisconsin diesel prices shops, parking and 300SDs Re: S.E. Wisconsin diesel prices Diesel Fuel Prices in US fuel taxes it bounced Toilet Paper Oil Filters!! Stretching out crankcase oil Re: Stretching out crankcase oil Re: Found the Frantz website Amsoil Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:41:24 -0500 From: "John Heflin" Subject: Your Benz on the web After reading this post, it reminded me of something... If any one wants to contribute, I'll post photos of you and your benz on my site, nothing fancy, just for list members. Send them to my address which is greenmercedes240D-at-hotmail.com and I'll post them right away. Although there is another site like this, (www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes - which is awesome!) mine would be just for list members and the photos would likely be put up the following day. I have no worries doing this for the list, about 2 years ago I did something similar for my DeLorean and ended up with 54 cars being sent in to the site. I may even register www.dieselbenz.com for it if its still available... start sending your photos! (try to include a photo of yourself and a little info about the car too) thanks, John Heflin 1969 280SE 4.5 1978 240D >From: john >To: diesel-benz list >Subject: chris straut's 85 300D on Wagoneers.com >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:55:06 -0800 (PST) > >http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/cars/85-300D-Chris-Straut/ > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com > don't leave life without Jesus, please... > Snohomish, Washington USA >------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:35:23 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Re: Busy summer, new shop roof Jerry! Exactly why I added the extensions! Too short! The original building only had 7 foot walls with a triple 2X8 beam that required a post in the middle. :( Wall extensions were made 20" because the 20" plus the height of the trusses would make the center pieces of T111 siding break on even foot lines. So now the interior height will be about 8.5 feet! YEAH!! The mason who originally built the building put 4 threaded rods into the blocks evenly spaced across both sides. So I bolted the sill plates down with those studs and then toenailed the studs onto them. Then put the top plate on. You can see that on the last picture of the "wall extension day". I did this because the building wasn't level any more. So I made the 4 corner studs first to correct lengths to get top plate level then strung a line between them and measured each stud individually. This was very time consuming but the building was off 2" from rear to one front corner and 2 5/8" from rear to other front corner. That would have made setting the trusses square enough for the steel to line up correctly almost impossible. Hope for a more level building ;) Hope this gets you started ;) Any more questions just ask away!! There are six new pic's at my site showing the completed trusses! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1332548&a=10195935 Jim/ Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > Hi Folks! > > > > Part of the GOOD news about my cleanup is that I am putting a new > > roof on my garage/shop. Not just roofING but a WHOLE roof. New > > *** We may be doing the same thing to our garage. Sure would be nice if > it was taller - also that post in the middle has got to go! Now I know > who to ask stupid questions :-). > > For a start - how did you fasten the height extensions to those > concrete slab walls? > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:44:04 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Re: S.E. Wisconsin diesel prices You're welcome anytime Dan! I'm 30-40 miles west of Milwaukee at the corner of I-94 and HY 67 in Oconomowoc. Lake Geneva is about 40-50 miles south of me. If you contemplate the trip you might want to check out "maps" at www.yahoo.com Just enter a zip code of 53066 and when you get the map of Oconomowoc zoom out two levels and you can see where I am in relation to Lake Geneva. Good luck! Jim/ New shop photos at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1332548&a=10195935 TDGordon wrote: > How far SE are you? It takes me an hour to get to Lake Geneva and prices here NW of > Chicago are at $1.779 - perhaps... I should drive to WI for fuel?... And then a > little further and I can see your new roof?... Get an eyeball on a fellow list > member?.... > Dan ChicagoArea > > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:44:26 -0600 > > From: Jim & Barb Hoffman > > Subject: Re: Diesel prices > > > > $1.69 here in S.E. Wisconsin also... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:00:11 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Re: Busy summer, new shop roof Jerry, Get this ;) I decided that an old concrete block building with cracks in the mortar wasn't worth spending a fortune on so I decided to check the local building centers for "odd-lot" trusses. The building is 16X24 so I was willing to take either 16 or 24 foot trusses if I could find them. So I checked with the local lumber yard and they thought I was nuts.... Someone ordering the "wrong" trusses?!?! Well... I'm sure it happens. Not to them I guess ;) Anyway there is a place about 15 miles north of me that manufactures panelized buildings so I called them. BINGO they had an order for 11 24 foot trusses that was botched and they wanted $25 apiece!!! I only needed 9 but I wasn't going to argue for 25 bucks! These were probably $50-$75 trusses! So get THIS... I asked my builder buddy what I should do with the extra two trusses. His answer... BURN EM'!!! That's 'cause he's a builder and storing stuff costs him money. But I tripled up the 2nd to last truss on the south side of the building so if I ever expand the building to the south as I hope to in a few years I'll already have 2 trusses! :) Hey, It's better than burning them! My carpenter buddy that told me to burn the trusses had a really cool electronic level from Stanley that he used to determine how far off level each corner was. I like to "cheat" whenever possible ;) I suppose I should mention something about a MB in these posts so the way this pertains to my MB is that after this building is complete, all the "junk" will move out of the garage that is attached to the house and I can get my MB into there, turn on the heat and fix all those electrical problems!! :) See ya! Jim/ '83 240D Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > Jerry! > > > > Exactly why I added the extensions! Too short! The original > > building only had 7 foot walls with a triple 2X8 beam that required > > a post in the middle. :( Wall extensions were made 20" because > > the 20" plus the height of the trusses would make the center pieces > > of T111 siding break on even foot lines. So now the interior height > > will be about 8.5 feet! YEAH!! > > *** Indeed. Did you just buy the trusses at the truss store? How > much did they cost? How wide can they span? > > > > > The mason who originally built the building put 4 threaded rods > > into the blocks evenly spaced across both sides. > > *** Nice. I don't think I'll be so lucky. My garage is a strange > beast - I'll have to take pictures. It has three open frame walls - > really, it's just a carport - and a fourth wall that is solid concrete. > Plan is to frame in the open walls, put in windows, and then have the > outside succo'ed to match the house ( no, I don't do stucco ). > > Then put the top plate on. You can see that on the last > > picture of the "wall extension day". I did this because the building > > wasn't level any more. So I made the 4 corner studs first to correct > > lengths to get top plate level then strung a line between them and > > measured each stud individually. This was very time consuming but > > the building was off 2" from rear to one front corner and 2 5/8" from > > rear to other front corner. That would have made setting the trusses > > square enough for the steel to line up correctly almost impossible. > > Hope for a more level building ;) > > > *** I would have done the same. Did you use a water level for those first > four studs? > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: Your Benz on the web I've been doing the same thing... just haven't really formalized it or announced it. I've got pictures of FSJ and XJ jeeps mainly, but a number of Mercedes Diesels as well. If you register your site you wouldn't mind sticking this URL there too: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz :) I initially set up the structure as ../rigs/ but then realized that car owners don't usually refer to their non-4x4 vehicles as rigs, so I created a link call ../cars/ :) I just cleaned up my log files from my server and have about 6 gig free. So space is not an issue. My server resides on the virtual-cafe, which has three t-1s and great service. If you send pictures to me, send them as individual jpgs uniquely named, preferably with yourname-year-model.jpg avoid spaces in the name, this is not a flippin' pc or mac, it's a real computer. ;) Also, if you do have access to linux or a flavor of Unix you're welcome to create a tar file. I'll take the email and the attachments and drop them right into a directory on my server. If I know they're coming I won't bother downloading them to my pc, but pop 'em right to my server via pine. (which I'm using right now). :) john On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, John Heflin wrote: >-->After reading this post, it reminded me of something... >--> >-->If any one wants to contribute, I'll post photos of you and your benz on my >-->site, nothing fancy, just for list members. Send them to my address which >-->is greenmercedes240D-at-hotmail.com and I'll post them right away. >-->Although there is another site like this, (www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes - >-->which is awesome!) mine would be just for list members and the photos would >-->likely be put up the following day. >--> >-->I have no worries doing this for the list, about 2 years ago I did something >-->similar for my DeLorean and ended up with 54 cars being sent in to the site. >--> >-->I may even register www.dieselbenz.com for it if its still available... >-->start sending your photos! (try to include a photo of yourself and a little >-->info about the car too) >--> >-->thanks, >-->John Heflin >-->1969 280SE 4.5 >-->1978 240D >--> >-->>From: john >-->>To: diesel-benz list >-->>Subject: chris straut's 85 300D on Wagoneers.com >-->>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:55:06 -0800 (PST) >-->> >-->>http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/cars/85-300D-Chris-Straut/ >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com >-->> don't leave life without Jesus, please... >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA >-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >-->_____________________________________________________________________________________ >-->Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: S.E. Wisconsin diesel prices that's some nice country up there... is that the blue hills or something like that? I remember driving my '68 mustang through there... ;) I think we had our prom picnic up there somewhere too... Hard to say, that was a long time ago... ;) wow... that was two years BEFORE I got married... and I just had my 25th... I bet the place we had the picnic is a housing development now. :) john On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: >-->You're welcome anytime Dan! >--> >--> I'm 30-40 miles west of Milwaukee at the corner of I-94 and HY 67 in >-->Oconomowoc. Lake Geneva is about 40-50 miles south of me. If you >-->contemplate the trip you might want to check out "maps" at www.yahoo.com >-->Just enter a zip code of 53066 and when you get the map of Oconomowoc >-->zoom out two levels and you can see where I am in relation to Lake Geneva. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: shops, parking and 300SDs you know all this talk about trusses... I could extend the front of my garage a bit... my 300SD is sitting there right now... Of course my wife and daughter asked why the Benz gets the prime parking space. :) They have to park over on the gravel next to the hillside and weeds... I haven't driven the Benz since last week... it's running great now, but with frost in the morning I've been taking my J10 just in case... (driving with hubs locked in so if sideways activity happens I can pop it into 4 wheel drive and carry on... ;) The thought of putting the benz in blackberries is not a pleasant one... there are NO shoulders where I drive... driving onto the "shoulder" could produce a thrill similar to the space mountain ride at a disney park... :) Well, it's looking more like I really need to find a good home for the benz... it's a beauty, but it's not good for it to sit. So I have to decide if I'm going to do something major to my J10 where I use it until I"m done, or just sell the benz now. The guy that looked at it did say that the seats are fine. That's just the way they are on the 300SDs. He had an exact replica of mine only 2 years newer and with only 100,000 miles on it. Mine was faster than his... so he said. He was looking at it for his niece. Not sure what happened, he never called back... oh well... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: S.E. Wisconsin diesel prices On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: >-->Ok... NOW I know what your talking about! >-->Blue Mounds State Park! West of Madison. that's IT!!! beautiful place... I think... that was before I found the Pacific Northwest... not sure I'd view it the same after 5 years in europe and 20 years out here. ;) john >-->> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Ok... I'm having trouble figuring out >-->> >-->much isn't ;) I'm assuming the "blue hills" is refering to my >-->> >-->"pretty" blue tarps covering my trusses :) >-->> >-->> aren't there some hills east of Lake Geneva? west of Milwaukee... >-->> aren't they called the blue hills state park or something like that???? >-->> >-->> Hey, that was 27 years ago... I suppose I could look at a map... ;) ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:06:16 -0800 From: Roy Sharp Subject: Diesel Fuel Prices in US http://www.flyingj.com/tallyman/diesel.epl?state=ALL Here is a link to diesel prices all over US except here in Torrance where we are lucky enough to find diesel at $2.00/ gallon... as it has been for more than two months. On the other hand, it was 80 degrees in downtown LA yesterday! For comparison, John had a similar link that he might still have. Roy Sharp [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] Contact Us! Help Home Page [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [FORM NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:06:52 -0800 From: john Subject: fuel taxes http://www.flyingj.com/s_tax.html one of the guys on the Diesel Benz list cited this page to show Diesel prices nationwide... I found their tax chart showing taxes for ALL fuels... international... very cool. I downloaded a file and will sort and rank states just to see how Washington state really ranks... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:00:47 -0800 From: john Subject: it bounced believe it or not it bounced because of M L M in the text... so I fixed it and am sending it to the list... (btw, not sure who makes the toilet paper filters anymore...) doncha love spam... ;) john john wrote: > At 10:28 AM 12/6/00 -0600, Italiano, Joseph J wrote: > >Diesel in St. Louis is $1.479, about a dime more than unleaded gas. > > > >Does anyone know what home heating oil is selling for (I'm thinking about > >putting a oil burning heater in my garage...Yeah...that's the ticket.) > > > >Joe > > yeah, that sounds like a great idea. ;) What we should do is figure > out a good way of filtering used motor oil. Have a "free oil recycling" > center... I've run my Rabbit Diesel on used motor and vegetable oil... it's > a little hard on filters though. ;) > > john I remember when I was a kid there was this company (an M L M, I think) called "Franz" or "Frantz" that made outboard oil filters that used standard rolls of toilet paper as filter elements. The neighbor that had the setup showed us his used oil after several thousand miles on his VW and it was as clear as new. Has anyone out there heard of this company and if they are still in business? This could be an inexpensive way for filtering recycled motor oil clean enough to mix with diesel to "stretch it out". Unfortunately the used TP rolls could no longer be used for their intended purpose, but I bet they would burn real good :). Mark Fountain 82 300D250,000 Miles. - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:12:01 -0600 (CST) From: jslash-at-execpc.com Subject: Toilet Paper Oil Filters!! Hey, my father-in-law used to use those toilet paper oil filters in all his cars. They worked GREAT! My mother-in-law used to get so pissed 'cause he'd use better toilet paper in the car than in the house!! ;) Always use two ply paper ;) I still have one of the units but haven't used it yet. Jim/ '83 240D > I remember when I was a kid there was this company (an M L M, I think) called > "Franz" or "Frantz" that made outboard oil filters that used standard rolls of > toilet paper as filter elements. The neighbor that had the setup showed us his > used oil after several thousand miles on his VW and it was as clear as new. > Has > anyone out there heard of this company and if they are still in business? This > could be an inexpensive way for filtering recycled motor oil clean enough to > mix with diesel to "stretch it out". Unfortunately the used TP rolls could no > longer be used for their intended purpose, but I bet they would burn real good > :). > Mark Fountain > 82 300D250,000 Miles. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:55:26 -0800 From: Richard Barnaby Subject: Stretching out crankcase oil > > Has > > anyone out there heard of this company and if they are still in >business? This > > could be an inexpensive way for filtering recycled motor oil clean >enough to > > mix with diesel to "stretch it out". In general this is not a good thing to do, as you may or may not know. Sure, diesels will run on almost anything, but there's a difference between "can" and "should". There is also a difference between diesels and diesels. A motor vehicle diesel (light duty) is different from say a motor-generator electricty set (heavy duty) Crankcase oil is manufactured from so-called "bright stock" a lube base that is high in metals particularly vanadium and other metals that give the lubricity. Metals come from oil deposits that are very old, generally, and the Pennsylvania crudes and the manufacturers therof (Castrol, Quaker, Pennzoil, Valvoline come to mind) are (or were) reknowned for their superior lube oils. Texas crudes, high in sulfer, low in metals, were particularly unsuited to crankcase oil production. That background aside, when you "filter" crankcase oil to "remove" metal shavings, etc caused by engine wear, you will not remove the metals that were inherent in the oil to start with. Please imagine passing this materiel through a very expensive injector pump, then through (not inexpensive) injectors. Then exploding this with high compression, heating the metals and doing who knows what damage to cylinder walls, rings, etc. So, in a pinch, like being stranded in the Australian outback desert with no ready source of diesel, sure, go ahead, try the Mazola and crankcase oil cocktail. But for everyday use in a road-ready high-end motor diesel. Forgetabouddit. Use the best fuel you can find. All imho. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:32:40 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Stretching out crankcase oil At 12:55 PM 12/7/00 -0800, Richard Barnaby wrote: >So, in a pinch, like being stranded in the Australian outback desert with >no ready source of diesel, sure, go ahead, try the Mazola and crankcase >oil cocktail. But for everyday use in a road-ready high-end motor >diesel. Forgetabouddit. Use the best fuel you can find. All imho. a very good suggestion indeed. injection pumps and injectors are not worth the risk... unless of course you have a beater Diesel... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:35:00 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Found the Frantz website At 12:47 PM 12/7/00 -0800, you wrote: >Hi John >I was able to find the URL for the new manufacturer for the Frantz filter >thanx to >Yahoo. >Here it is: >http://www.wefilterit.com/frantz.htm > >PS. I wonder if this unit would filter out that black sooty substance in >the oil >in diesel engines that stains my driveway (and clothes) and upsets my wife. nope. I've tried using the Amsoil Bypass oil filter on one of my Diesels to clean it out... no luck, even though that is a very, very fine filter... (i can't remember if it filters down to 1 micron or 4 microns or a million, :) would have to read the specs... ;) either way, it is comparable to a toilet paper filter and didn't... so the solution is to go to a gas engine, fuel injected of course... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:58:50 -0600 From: "Marshall & Kristin" Subject: Amsoil I am going to switch my 350 SDL to synthetic. Years ago when I used Amsoil, it was necessary to put in a cleaner in the crankcase and run the vehicle for 20 minutes before draining it completely. Is this step still recommended? 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