From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #451 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, December 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 451 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Frantz Re: S.E. Wisconsin Re: Amsoil someone is infected... Re: Frantz RE: Amsoil RE: engine cleaners Re: engine cleaners Re: engine cleaners warning... virus morphed Re: fsj: virus morphed web page on Diesels Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:03:33 -0600 From: "TDGordon" Subject: Re: Frantz A month ago I recycled a perfectly running 240k mile 6 cyl 1975 Nova all rusted out and it had the Frantz filter in it. We put it in back in ~1981 and perhaps kept that engine virtually without problems, but then again, that 6 cyl was rock solid as was the Ford of the same period as I understand it. Anyhoo, I removed the Frantz and will perhaps use it in the 240D or the 300d when it gets refurbished. As to whether Frantz is around - no idea, but the TP fiilter media is sold thru Amsoil distributors as far as I know - some company in WI makes and sells them. Dan ChicagoArea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:57:40 -0600 From: "TDGordon" Subject: Re: S.E. Wisconsin Hey Jim - nice looking family - thanks for the pics. And, wow, I knew that Wisconsin is a milk exporting state, but using milk in plastic milk jugs to hold down the tarp? - WOW, your guys do have a lotta milk ;-) I will definitely have to plan a trip to Oconomowoc - or whatever the name of your area is west of Madison. Ya need another scooter? I have a '75 Odyssey with roll bars. Dan ChicagoArea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:32:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: Amsoil no, don't waste your money, just change the filter after 500 miles or so and top off, the oil will clean the engine just fine. :) john On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Marshall & Kristin wrote: >-->I am going to switch my 350 SDL to synthetic. Years ago when I used Amsoil, >-->it was necessary to put in a cleaner in the crankcase and run the vehicle >-->for 20 minutes before draining it completely. Is this step still >-->recommended? >--> >-->Marshall >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: someone is infected... someone at avistacom.net is infected with the dwarwf virus... do NOT open the dwarf.exe attachement from "haha-at-sexyfun.net" john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:28:20 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: Frantz we have a cartridge filter elment for the older style bypass filters. john On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, TDGordon wrote: >-->A month ago I recycled a perfectly running 240k mile 6 cyl 1975 Nova all rusted out >-->and it had the Frantz filter in it. We put it in back in ~1981 and perhaps kept that >-->engine virtually without problems, but then again, that 6 cyl was rock solid as was >-->the Ford of the same period as I understand it. Anyhoo, I removed the Frantz and >-->will perhaps use it in the 240D or the 300d when it gets refurbished. As to whether >-->Frantz is around - no idea, but the TP fiilter media is sold thru Amsoil distributors >-->as far as I know - some company in WI makes and sells them. >-->Dan ChicagoArea >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:10:45 -0500 From: "Steven B." Subject: RE: Amsoil Recommended-Yes. Required-No. I use Amsoil in every vehicle I own. Steve Years ago when I used Amsoil, it was necessary to put in a cleaner in the crankcase and run the vehicle for 20 minutes before draining it completely. Is this step still recommended? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:44:13 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: engine cleaners At 09:10 PM 12/8/00 -0500, Steven B. wrote: (ref: amsoil engine flush) >Recommended-Yes. Required-No. I use Amsoil in every vehicle I own. >Steve > Years ago when I used Amsoil, it was necessary to put in a cleaner in the >crankcase and run the vehicle >for 20 minutes before draining it completely. Is this step still >recommended? agreed, it is recommended for older engines... but I've also found, as have other dealers, that the amsoil synthetic, and many of the others, will tend to clean an engine as it's used. The reason I quit recommending it is really kind of unrelated to amsoil or Diesels... it's because I used an engine cleaner in an overhead cam once and destroyed it because it lost it's critical lubrication... in other words, why risk it? :) I've never heard of anyone having trouble with amsoil's engine flush, and never had any problems either. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:02:45 -0600 From: "Tucklings" Subject: Re: engine cleaners Howdy folks, I just had to pipe up. Some years ago, an old mechanic, who I respected greatly, expressed an opinion that it was not a good idea to use cleaners on an old engine unless immediately thereafter, you dropped the pan and cleaned out the sludge which accumulated there as a result of using the additive. It seemed reasonable to me... Meanwhile, I'm pleased to report that I've now acquired a fleet of 4 240-Ds. I paid $400. for the first one; $4800. for the second; The third and fourth, along with two other cars, an '82 Volksie rabbit and an '82 Maxima diesel, cost a total of $900. So many old cars. So little time.. VT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 19:24:31 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: engine cleaners At 09:02 PM 12/8/00 -0600, Tucklings wrote: >Some years ago, an old mechanic, who I respected greatly, expressed an >opinion that it was not a good idea to use cleaners on an old engine unless >immediately thereafter, you dropped the pan and cleaned out the sludge which >accumulated there as a result of using the additive. this is true, but if you've warmed the engine up enough before using the cleaner and drain while it's hot most of it comes out. What I've done to make sure is run kerosene or Diesel fuel through the engine afterwards and then let it drain for several hours. (sometimes I'll replug it and idle it for a short time with Diesel or ATF, then drain it, other times I'll just let it run through from the filler... guess it depends on how risky I am that day... ;) Another way of cleaning an engine is to run said kerosene or Diesel in the crankcase. I know of some folks that will do it for a couple hundred miles to clean things out. This, in my mind, poses less risk than the use of a typical engine cleaner that has copius amounts of unknown solvents. Another thing used is ATF, as it has a high detergent component, but also lots of paraffin, aka, wax. The point is, you're messing with chemistry in a very expensive vial. It's safer and cheaper to use ATF, kerosene or Diesel as it'll tend to thin oil that will have gotten thicker with age as it holds dirt in suspension... however, the lubricity of said "cleaners" does not provide a great deal of shear strength... I would discourage driving it around much, it's just not worth the risk. It's easier to let the synthetic naturally clean the engine over time and change the filters more frequently. :) Not that I won't sell you a can of engine flush... ;) Also, most of the modern oils have a pretty fair amount of detergent in them anyway... it's not like 20 years ago... unless of course you use valvoline or pennzoil... that stuff will really dirty up the inside of an engine... I may still have pictures of a 4.0L I tore down that had been run on both of those since new by the original owner... what a tarry, varnishy mess... The mental picture of that '68 charger I worked on at Lou's Standard station back home will be with me for ever... that oil was so black and thick it was unbelievable... the oil filter was incredibly heavy... the poor car was terribly neglected... and it wasn't even four years old at the time... :( (we didn't bother cleaning it... we patched it together the best we could and hoped to never see it again... ;) Lou and his station are gone... but that memory lives on. later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 19:52:13 -0800 From: john Subject: warning... This is the 2nd bounced message tonight... I suspect that the xj and fsj lists are experiencing the same bounces... if you get an email like this, delete the attachment carefully and delete the email... If you don't have virus s/w, get it. this is what I'm using, it found it on my pc: http://antivirus.cai.com/ it's free too. :) john >From: Hahaha >Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! > >X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain >Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and >polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a >*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the >Seven >Dwarfs enter... >[demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which >had a name of joke.exe] - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:11:28 -0800 From: john Subject: virus morphed the virus I mentioned appears to have morphed from sending a .exe file to a .scr, says here's a screen saver... of course your first clue is that it's from hahaha-at-sexyfun.net... anyone opening that up intentionally isn't thinking about the source... btw, someone at bellsouth is infected... and, oh happy joy, joy, I must be in their address book... ;) I think I'm going to turn off Eudora and just work in Linux tonight... ;) john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ PC viruses??? see http://vil.mcafee.com/villib/alpha.asp free virus protection that works: http://antivirus.cai.com/ UNIX rules the internet and engineering computing - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 22:51:49 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: virus morphed At 10:34 PM 12/8/00 -0800, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: >I thought you said that virii couldn't penetrate the invulnerable wall >of digest.net... oh it can't... but what happens is folks ON the lists get it, and if they've communicated with folks OFF list, as many of us do (like right now), they can pass it that way... What's ugly about these kinds of viruses is that the infected person doesn't have a clue that they're infected... The bounced virii info ends up in my inbasket from the list... From that I can which server it came from, but not the actual sender. :( When one of these things comes my way still alive, I'm able to defend myself with the s/w I mentioned. I will often dissect the live buggers in Linux with vi or strings. THE SAFEST THING YOU CAN DO IS NOT OPEN ATTACHMENTS, delete them carefully so you don't accidently open them, and if you should be using Outlook or other microsoft tools, don't use the preview pane. Disable macros, scripts and so on. Active-X is bad news. I completely disable internet explorer, it's code is so bad that even if you deactivate scripting, it'll do it then ask you if you wanted to do it. (microsoft's paradigm does not work in the real world of the internet... they are even more clueless than the victims of viruses) The individuals that create these problems should not only be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but should be required to compensate for the losses incurred. Thoughts of even more extreme action surface in my mind... I'm no fan of microsoft products, but why take it out on people trying to use the tools??? later, john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ PC viruses??? see http://vil.mcafee.com/villib/alpha.asp free virus protection that works: http://antivirus.cai.com/ UNIX rules the internet and engineering computing - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:04:48 -0800 From: john Subject: web page on Diesels http://www.yachtsurvey.com/engines.htm (believe it or not this was on the xj list (the downsized jeep cherokees...) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #451 *********************************