From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #461 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, December 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 461 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: 126 tank sock? RE: Yahoo news article: New diesel reg's (It's a bit of a rant) Diesels and pollution. good news compression test... pictures - sludge and misc Howell TBI kit 4.2L for sale... Re: 1986 Mercedes Benz SDL Re: 1986 Mercedes Benz SDL Re: 1986 Mercedes Benz SDL Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:31:53 -0800 From: john Subject: 126 tank sock? It looks like I need to clean the fuel pickup sock on my '83 300SD... How do I get to it? Is it behind the back seat or in the trunk or under the rear shelf? Also, the tach still doesn't work. So the next step is to pull the dash and check stuff out under there... someone needs to buy this thing so I can get stuff done around the house. Simple problems... :) But they take time. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: RE: Yahoo news article: New diesel reg's (It's a bit of a rant) First of all, when I capitalize a word in a sentence, I don't want anyone to think I am shouting. I am only using CAPS as exageration in a place where you can't hear me speak. Second, I didn't try to say anything. I flat out told it like I see it. I don't candy coat anything when it comes to this subject. I am not running around blind to the truth of WHY. The WHY is that Americans, in general, WILL NOT give up their right to own the CAR they want and suffer stronger regulations for CAR emissions when we can pick on the bigger guy (the trucking industry). If long necessary stricter regulations on exhaust emissions from gasoiline cars were suddenly (within a year) put in place, no one would stand idly by and let it happen. "What about the big trucks? THEY should be punished! Can't you SEE the polution coming from the stack? They are too slow! We can't pass them! They are unnecesary! Put that stuff on the train! You can't SEE car exhaust! Leave us alone!" they would cry. "We only have water coming out of the tail pipe! Water doesn't hurt anything!" I am not exagerating. Many people have said these things to me when I worked in an auto parts store. They would sooner die than be forced to share their car with someone on the way to work or the store in the name of the environment. Most folks go through their entire life not caring at all about what it takes to get things from one end of the country to another. The modern BIG trucks and the modern engines in them are sssooooo much better now then 7-10 years ago, and they are constantly improving. Engines that run on "salad" oil have been developed, but have not gained wide acceptance in the industry because they don't produce the power that diesel can. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see newer, stricter reg's in place, just for the right vehicles. Americans are just not ready to pay triple for what they eat to help finance new technology for the trucking industry. I'm not making excuses for my industry, just stating fact as I see it. Yup, that's right as _I_ see it. I have been all over the country, talked to all kinds of people, and I believe that as a culture and a country, we will not see any usefull changes in the near future. It is not right for people to ignore or set aside their own polution long enough to point to mine and say "Evil!" I have never seen ANYTHING drop dead in the vicinity of my BIG truck. We don't need new laws, we need a major cultural change. - -------Original Message------ From: "Mike Mehringer" To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sent: December 27, 2000 7:37:42 PM GMT Subject: RE: Yahoo! News Full Coverage-New Rules to Cut Diesel Emissions Approved I own a diesel, so I see what you're trying to say but... your "BIG" truck is also killing everything around it -- just like my diesel engine... It's good that they're instilling these new laws. We have to face the facts and realize that all our trucks, "BIG" and small (that goes for my Jeep Grand Cherokee as well, as much as I hate to admit it) must go and make room for vehicles that use some other kind of fuel that doesn't kill everything around it with its emissions. Yeah, the failure of rubber seals and crap will occur, fuel costs may go up, but if the planet we live on is destroyed, who cares about seals and fuel... Mike M. '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ '83 300SD W126 >From: Dan Jacobs >To: diesel-benz list >Subject: RE: Yahoo! News Full Coverage-New Rules to Cut Diesel Emissions >Approved >Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:59:03 -0500 (EST) > >Just in case you decided not to read the article, it is about beurocrats in >Washington D.C. picking on the BIG trucks again. > >As your resident BIG truck driver, I feel it is necessary to expalin why >these types of regulation changes can hurt us all, and why they are unfair. > >The last time the EPA required a reduction in sulfur in diesel fuel, it hit >the trucking industry pretty hard. In many engines the changed fuel ruined >rubber seals used in the fuel system, causing expensive breakdowns and >repairs. The same result occured in many diesel car engines, also. Newer >re-formulated fuel also has a lower cloud point temperature, making it >necessary to use more additives to run in the winter than before. Also, >modern deisel engines operate at higher compression ratios, use higher fuel >injuection pressures, and are more persnickety about their fuels because of >those factors. > >When I go to start my BIG truck when the engine is cold, there are almost >NO >visible emissions. Thats a COLD engine, folks. There have not been any >modifications made to my engine. Very few truck drivers with modern >engines >can make drastic modifications to the engine. The BIG, smoky, loud deisel >motors the EPA and enviro-types are referring to are older engines, and >will >not be changed under these new reg's. > >My point is this. Make sure that people that complain about smoke from a >diesel car or BIG truck know what the facts really are: > >-Diesel engines, pound for pound, pollute less than gasoline engines, >-Are still more efeccient in the conversion of fuel to energy than their >gasoline counterparts, >-And reformulation of diesel fuel to reduce emmissions is only picking on >the obvious and visible pollution of diesel engines, not the invisible >and >deceptive pollution of other fuels, mainly gasoline > >I hope everyone is well, and will be able to enjoy the holiday season. >Even >if your not religious, use this time to be with family and freinds. Your >gonna miss them when they're gone. > >Diesel Dan, your "Oh, suck my tailpipe, you pasty vegetable eatin' bicycle >ridin', tree huggin spawn of Satan!!!" man in Vancouver, WA >------Original Message------ >From: Mark Fountain >To: "diesel-benz-at-digest.net" >Sent: December 21, 2000 6:18:12 PM GMT >Subject: Yahoo! News Full Coverage-New Rules to Cut Diesel Emissions >Approved > > >Check out this URL >The lame duck quacks > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/world/Pollution_News/ > >[demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application/x-gzip] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:51:56 -0800 From: john Subject: Diesels and pollution. Right on Dan! I agree with Dan on the Diesels. They pollute far less than gas engines. I have major allergy problems and can work around Diesel exhaust without significant problems, but a gas engine will give me trouble in short order. Diesel engines aren't perfect, but I really believe if you look at the entire output side by side with a gas engine you'll find the toxins from a Diesel are far less hazardous than those from a gas engine. I don't know where the ignorance and prejudice comes from... hard to say... Too many folks out there that don't understand Diesels... Too many loud mouth liberal types that use junk science to foster their views of the earth goddess world view, the same folks that worship trees, kill babies while protecting baby seals and think that human beings are an alien species on earth... :) We do need a balance, objectivity and truth... But where do we get the true data? The California Air Research Board has a lot of info on it's website... might be a good place to start looking... Fossil fuels are somewhat limited... but it appears that the Diesel engine can easily be used with newer man made fuels, biodiesel and used vegetable oil and so on... Gas engines are the ones that are really restricted... There really has to be a good solution for propelling us along... someday we'll figure it out. :) joh ==================================================================== If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to assume that it is anything other than a duck. However, in this era of post-modern license with basic linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:45:59 -0800 From: john Subject: good news just pulled the primary filter off of SuperDuck (my '83 300SD). It was nasty... and this is the one I just replaced a month ago. While I had the filter off I blew air up the line to clear any crud that might be on the screen. Well, heading back out to pull the dash and see why the tach ain't behavin'. It should run a lot better with a new filter. :) phew... I was thinking it was time for a pump rebuild... seemed kinda early for that though... :) not enough mileage yet... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:43:59 -0800 From: john Subject: compression test... just did a compression test on my '83 J10 Stepside... confirms what Jim Blair and I saw this morning on #2. (Jim couldn't find his adapter so I broke down and bought one at Sears.) 1 - 150# 2 - 145 leaking rapidly down to 105 or less... like 90 and continues to leak... :( 3 - 160# 4 - 153# 5 - 158# 6 - 158# That and he's spitting oil through the air cleaner... #2 plug had heavy deposits on it... Suspect a bad ring. Previous owner had been a little rough on it... only 139,000 miles on the engine. Thankfully I've got the '83 300SD running again. SuperDawg is running good, but I won't be installing the Howell TBI on this engine, and I'm not going to fix the 258. I'll call Howell and see if they'll refund the unit, if not I'll be selling a brand new Howell TBI kit for a Jeep. So, all points bulletin for a good '91 and up 4.0L with computer and wiring harness and the AisinWarner 4 speed Auto with 23 spline... I'd like everything from one rig, prefer low miles, well cared for... I know they're out there... I run across them all the time. Prefer something within a couple hundred miles of Seattle. A little wiring, a little relocation of motor mounts, a few welds and voila... in about 3 to 4 months I'll have a decent running J10 with the heart of an XJ. ;) Not sure what to do at this point. I still need to sell the 300SD, I'm afraid to wait until I have SuperDawg's engine swapped out... I'm afraid more stuff will break on the Benz. :) We'll have to see how quickly I can find an engine/trans... I suppose it's been like this for a long time so I guess I could just wait until summer to do the engine swap... later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:35:35 -0800 From: john Subject: pictures - sludge and misc Here's the pictures of the compression test... and my favorite, the sludge... http://www.wagoneers.com/SuperDawg/engine/Dec27-CompressionTest/PC270022.JPG Four things contributed to the sludge: 1) too low of a temperature tstat, 2) broken oil ring on #2, 3) clogged breather line 3) bad carb that floods at idle... (Carter BBD) not necessarily in that order... ;) all pictures at: http://www.wagoneers.com/SuperDawg/engine/Dec27-CompressionTest/ Here's pictures of Jim Blair's Rambler, Comanche and the 84 GW frame, along with his other rigs... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/JimBlair/MISC http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/JimBlair (the Rambler is really nice... so is the Comanche, both are for sale...) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:56:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Howell TBI kit 4.2L for sale... I have a brand new Howell TBI kit I'm not going to use... Model JP-1 EFI kit for Jeep 258 6 cyl 1972-1991... it is approved for installation and use in California! (carb e.o. D-452) Brand new, hasn't even been taken out of the box. If you know of anyone considering this kit for their 4.2L Jeep let me know, they can have it for exactly what I paid for it. :) I got it directly from Howell and for less than most mail order places. I figure I'd let my list friends have first shot at it. Will contact Howell in the morning to see if they'll take it back, otherwise it's going up on ebay... :( this is why I'm selling it: http://www.wagoneers.com/SuperDawg/engine/Dec27-CompressionTest/PC270022.JPG #2 cylinder has a broken ring... Going to swap in a 4.0L from an newer (91 an up) XJ Cherokee... that way I get an automatic with overdrive. :) http://www.wagoneers.com/SuperDawg/engine/Dec27-CompressionTest/ later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:45:33 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: 1986 Mercedes Benz SDL the wood panels on the 123/126 pull out, gently, and reveal screws behind that loosen the panels... the manuals aren't much help. :) john At 09:32 AM 12/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >John >Thank you for your prompt reaction to my call for help. I dont know what >series my 1986 MB SDL is but it probably does not have fiber optics. Any >ideas on how to simply get to the bulb? Where are the screws? Or do I just >apply a screw driver and wedge into it? >Steve - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:29:52 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: 1986 Mercedes Benz SDL At 12:27 PM 12/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >John >Thank you for your follow-up. I appreciate it! >How do I pull out the wood panel? Does it come straight up or do I have to >loosen something else in order to get to it? Should I pry a screwdriver on >the sides and try to get the panel up that way? Please advise. >Steve it varies from car to car.... I'm on a limb here... :) I've taken a straight blade screwdriver and gently pried the trim piece out, but you might want to wait for the official word... you can really bugger things up at this point... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:31:06 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: 1986 Mercedes Benz SDL At 12:28 PM 12/28/00 -0500, SDAGZ-at-aol.com wrote: >John >One more thing. Once I get to the screws what then? >steve pull the screws and gently move the module out of the way, you may have to remove the radio too in order to see the wiring going to the bulbs. There may be a bulb in the console itself too... before pulling the dash assembly try pulling up the console... or contact a dealer for quick advice... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #461 *********************************