From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #464 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, January 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 464 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: administrivia: notes on using this list RE: surging? bad fuel? RE: surging? bad fuel? More on the 240D electrical problems... Re: More on the 240D electrical problems... Re: More on the 240D electrical problems... Re: More on the 240D electrical problems... lists status January 1, 2001 fuel... 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For more information, see the web site for Krusty. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:58:49 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: RE: surging? bad fuel? There are a couple of additives you could run through that would kill or loosen all the crud in the tank before you pull stuff out to clean or replace filters, etc. I can't remember what their names are, one was purchased at the MBZ dealer, container looked like a toothpaste tube. I would pour in a good additives/cleaner and run the car till you can barely get home, then drain the tank (if possible), and replace/clean filters. My car had quite a collection of science experiments in progress in the fuel tank when I got her home. I added a bactericide/fungicide to the tank after I drained the tank. After changing filters, I haven't had the problem since, with the regular use of an additive. I'm not sure what the names are, but there is an algae and some bacteria that love to grow in your diesel fuel tank, and they can cause all kinds of problems if they get their way! Diesel Dan, your "Get some penicillin for my fuel tank, and HURRY!" man in Vancouver, WA - ------Original Message------ From: john To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sent: December 30, 2000 4:11:03 AM GMT Subject: surging? bad fuel? my 300SD seems to surge... but not all the time. I vaguely recall a problem like this on another Diesel and it had something to do with the fuel return line or adjustment. The new injectors may require some sort of pump adjustment maybe??? Or is it bad fuel??? It's running strong, but occassionaly surges... drives me nuts... It's like bad fuel or something... Turns out my filter had clogged again, it was dirty... I must have gotten some bad Diesel... have to remember where I bought my last tank... :) The ad shows up in the paper Sunday... hope to figure it out before someone comes to look at it... I don't need another project... :( john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:38:28 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: RE: surging? bad fuel? I would say, from my experiencce, that it is much more likely a simple (compared to the fuel pump) problem of fuel delivery or contamination than an injector pump problem. I would again suggest you get the necessary stuff together and drain the fuel tank. It would eliminate a great majority of the crud that may be causing your problem. When the cold weather first started in eastern WA, I poured a bottle of the anti-gel that my trucking company provides for us into both tanks to get rid of any water and crud. I got a fuel filter in my BIG truck that is larger than our beloved MBZ oil filters. When I returned from my trip, the fuel level in the plastic dome over the filter had risen all the way to the top, a sure sign it had become very clogged with STUFF. When the filter is changed, the mechanics leave about 1-1 1/2 inches of fuel in the bottom of the glass so that we can monitor the clogging of the filter. Diesel Dan, your "Cleanliness in your fuel system is next to godliness" man in vancouver, wa - ------Original Message------ From: john To: Dan Jacobs My greatest fear is that there might be something wrong with the pump... If the pump was bad would it work sometimes and not others? My guess is that because the symptoms vary that it's related to fuel... - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:16:26 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: More on the 240D electrical problems... Hi folks! It's been nuts for the past few weeks so I haven't had much time to participate. Leaks in the roof caused by ice dams from all the snow we have. I've got 24" drifts on the roof. Plowing the drive every few days. But I have had some time to contemplate work on my 240D. I don't believe that I had mentioned that my radio would constantly "reset" itself. All the programmable radio station buttons would go back to a state like you had disconnected the battery. This got me thinking that maybe what I have is a ground problem like someone else was having a few months back. Maybe that is why I don't have power getting to my fuse block. Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Could a bad ground cause this problem? Where is the ground strap that connects the block to the frame? Are there multiple ground places that I should check? Please tell me where they are :) Hope everyone had a great holiday season! Jim/ Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '83 240D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:03:30 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: More on the 240D electrical problems... At 07:16 PM 1/1/01 -0600, Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: > Leaks in the roof caused by ice dams from all the snow we have. >I've got 24" drifts on the roof. Plowing the drive every few days. hard to relate... It was in the low 50's here today... was working on the picket fence... light sweatshirt... of course it is hard to shovel rain... didn't rain today, but everything was still wet from yesterday's rain. On the bright side my 300SD didn't misbehave today... went to Home Depot for some stuff and it did great... pretty sure my problem is bad fuel. Going to run this tank all the way down, then replace the fuel lines and take a look at how hard pulling the strainer is... > But I have had some time to contemplate work on my 240D. >I don't believe that I had mentioned that my radio would constantly >"reset" itself. All the programmable radio station buttons would >go back to a state like you had disconnected the battery. This >got me thinking that maybe what I have is a ground problem like >someone else was having a few months back. Maybe that is why >I don't have power getting to my fuse block. Does this sound >reasonable to you guys? Could a bad ground cause this problem? yes. also look for dirty contacts and loose connections. get some electrical contact cleaner... >Where is the ground strap that connects the block to the frame? >Are there multiple ground places that I should check? Please >tell me where they are :) there should be a ground going down by the starter from the battery and one going from the battery to the body... There should only be one ground connection. john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:27:39 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Re: More on the 240D electrical problems... john wrote: > > yes. also look for dirty contacts and loose connections. get some > electrical contact cleaner... Can you be more specific on the connections. Which connections? I have contact cleaner :) > > >Where is the ground strap that connects the block to the frame? > >Are there multiple ground places that I should check? Please > >tell me where they are :) > > there should be a ground going down by the starter from the battery > and one going from the battery to the body... There should only > be one ground connection. Be patent with me ;) But I'm confused. You mention "two" grounds here: One going down by the starter AND one going from the battery to the body but then say there should only be one.... I'm confused! > > john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:26:04 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: More on the 240D electrical problems... At 09:27 PM 1/1/01 -0600, Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: >john wrote: > > > > yes. also look for dirty contacts and loose connections. get some > > electrical contact cleaner... > > Can you be more specific on the connections. Which connections? >I have contact cleaner :) on the back of the radio, and the wiring heading back into the harness. It could also be an internal loose connection or cold solder joint in the radio itself. Benz related electronics aren't spectacular... On Fritz I reflowed all the solder joints in the cruise control and radio and everything worked wonderfully afterwards. It's somewhat possible that you have a cold solder joint internal to the radio. If you're not familiar with soldering this would NOT be a good place to learn. :) Try cleaning the contacts on the back of the radio. :) Also the fuse panel... > > >Where is the ground strap that connects the block to the frame? > > >Are there multiple ground places that I should check? Please > > >tell me where they are :) > > > > there should be a ground going down by the starter from the battery > > and one going from the battery to the body... There should only > > be one ground connection. > > Be patent with me ;) But I'm confused. You mention "two" >grounds here: One going down by the starter AND one going >from the battery to the body but then say there should only be >one.... I'm confused! sorry... one ground strap, large, going to the engine, near the starter. the other "one" ground to the body for everything else, it'll be something like 8 gauge, maybe 6, while the one going to the starter will be 00 or there abouts... :) the reason for only one ground connection is to prevent ground loop problems. If you don't know what they are it'd take me a long time to explain why it's a problem... ;) (Mainly because I can't remember right now and I quit doing circuit design almost 12 years ago... ;) > > john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:25:04 -0800 From: john Subject: lists status January 1, 2001 FYI, total subscribers to both real time and digest modes as follows: Diesel-Benz list: 154 total FSJ list: 149 total XJ list: 138 total Believe it or not the quietest list is the Diesel-Benz list. Massive quanities of "lurkers". I guess Mercedes owners must tend to have fewer problems, eh? Either that or they're not spending time trying to figure out how to lift them (XJ)... ;) or trying to find parts (FSJ).... The digests are saved to wagoneers.com as I receive them. I grabbed a search engine script off the web and set it up. I had hoped to rewrite it after attending the University of Perl last year... but because of network problems and employee turnover I wasn't able to attend... :( The search engine is probably the slowest on the internet... possibly slower than a 240D towing a trailer on an uphill grade, with a head wind... ;) My office is now heated by an Ultra 10 clone, an HP 9000/715 100 and a 400Mhz pc, along with a laptop... and a palm Vx... maybe once I get them all networked together properly I'll have some time to rebuild my website and rewrite the Perl script. :) I'm going to mirror my server on my Ultra 10... lots of work to be done, need to install Apache and Perl 5... hey, it keeps me off the streets... and trails ... :( Hope all is well with you. john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:33:31 -0800 From: john Subject: fuel... I think I figured out where I got the last tank of fuel... not going to say in case I'm wrong. ;) It's on a major highway... oh well. Still have btwn a 1/4 and a 1/2... it'll be a while before it's gone... I'm encouraged by tonight's run to home depot... nary a surge or shudder. I'm relieved... Will run it out and change the filters... :) Turns out the ad I thought that had been placed in the Seattle paper didn't make it. I checked the paper tonight and the m/c ad showed up, but not the benz. Thinking maybe I should cancel it and drop the insurance on my truck... The engine/trans swap will take me at least two months... will need to rewire it and reengineer the motor mounts... no need to rush... while I have it apart I can finish the body lift and maybe do some major restoration work. :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:10:41 From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Re: Mercedes Diesel Question The last year of production on the W126 was 1991. Mike M. '83 300SD W126 '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ >From: john >To: "Lee Deneault" >CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Mercedes Diesel Question >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:12:15 -0800 > >don't know for sure when the 126 series ended... > >I'm selling my 1983 300SD, 126 chassis, asking $5,500. New >glow plugs/controller and injectors... excellent condition. > >see: http://wagoneers.com/300SD/ > >I'll cc this to the diesel-benz list to see if other know when the >big body style ended. :) > >john > >At 12:01 AM 12/30/00 +0000, Lee Deneault wrote: >"Lee Deneault" >>HI JOHN, >> >>Nearly a year ago, I saw a huge Mercedes Diesel sedan parked on a dealer's >>lot. It was silver on black and it was simply stunning !!! It was priced >>around $40K. Do you happen to know what the latest year and largest >>Mercedes diesel sedan that was sold in the USA ??? I would love to be >>able to find a similar one... >> >>Many thanks !!! >> >>LEE >> >>PS Happy New Year !!! >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #464 *********************************