From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #478 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, January 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 478 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: the rear fog lamp headlights if... Re: algae Re: algae Re: algae put my 300SD on classifieds2000 Re: algae book value! Re: algae Re: algae RE: if... fuel efficient 4x4s??? Re: algae Re: fsj: fuel efficient 4x4s??? Re: fuel efficient 4x4s??? Re: fuel efficient 4x4s??? Re: Algae (longish, and arguably unhelpful) Re: book value! Re: [1FSJ] Re: fsj: fuel efficient 4x4s??? Re: algae Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:10:07 -0800 From: john Subject: the rear fog lamp >my U.S. Spec. car there is a hole for a bulb closest to the license >plate or toward center if that makes sense. In a REAL country what >are those bulb holders for? I know we don't need them here in >Commifornia 'cause I never see any in the junk yards with a bulb in In Europe that is for the rear fog lamp. Many of the US model rovers have them... and the jags... just a bright red light so some porsche driver on the autobahn doesn't try to drive under you in dense fog... I was trying to figure out the headlight switch on Fritz to see if I could tap into that and install the bulb and the tail fog lamp... First pull on the headlight switch gets front fog lights, pull one more notch and you get the "option". john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:12:45 -0800 From: john Subject: headlights >Personally, I kind of like the look of the US headlights on a W123. I don't >think I'm alone, since many of us were quite happy when they finally >returned to the 4-headlight look. Granted, the lighting pattern of the US >lights stinks, but that's nothing some Hella or Cibie motorcycle lights >won't fix as a drop-in upgrade. ;-) the guy that bought fritz emailed me a picture of a white 300D with Euro headlights... wow, nice looking... If I were to keep my 300SD I'd consider European lights for it, if they have 'em. (do they?) Also, the IPF headlight conversion is a better quality lens than either Hella or Candella or Cibie... some guy in belgium is interested in my J10... if it sells I may keep my 300SD... I've already found another FSJ I'd buy... a friend's 80 Cherokee Chief... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:14:57 -0800 From: john Subject: if... If I were to keep my 300SD (mainly because no one seems interested in buying it and someone has taken a fancy to superdawg...) Here's my current wish list: 1) get rid of the algae ;) (lex called today, suggested the stuff they sell at walmart, heading over there in a few minutes... :) 2) MANUAL heater/ac controls 3) European headlights john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:16:02 -0800 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: algae John: Algae will only form in your tank if there is water present. It lives in a layer between the fuel and the water, and consumes both for food. When the water is gone, it dies, and falls to the bottom of the tank. I tell you all this because an understanding of how it's formed will help understand how to get rid of it. You can add an algaecide like Biobar to the tank, but if you are always taking wet fuel, you are going to have ongoing problems. Draining the tank turns out to be no big deal. There is a hose between the tank and the fuel line. One end has a special fitting that screws into the strainer, the other end is clamped to the fuel line. Just undo the clamp, remove the line, and fuel will come out neatly. Just run down the tank as low as possible first. I like to line up a couple of oil change pans, and a five gallon fuel jug. Dump the fuel into the jug as you switch pans. The strainer comes out with a pipe wrench or channel locks. Once it's out you should be able to evaluate how gooped up you are. If it's really bad, the tank should be removed and steamed, and you should disassemble the guage sending unit as well. You should replace the strainer and hose as a matter of course. At 02:37 PM 1/21/01 -0800, john wrote: >how do I get rid of it? >how much would it cost to have someone else take the diesel bath? ;) > >john >------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:21:07 -0600 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: algae Howdy, I recently used an algaecide I bought at the Mercedes dealership. They said pour it into the tank, run about 3 tanks through it and replace the fuel filters, which I did. I could see the algae particles in the old fuel filters. My question is: Is this enough? Or is it necessary/advisable to do more? Regards, Vernon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Frank" To: "john" ; Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: Re: algae > John: > > Algae will only form in your tank if there is water present. It > lives in a layer between the fuel and the water, and consumes both for > food. When the water is gone, it dies, and falls to the bottom of the tank. > I tell you all this because an understanding of how it's formed will help > understand how to get rid of it. You can add an algaecide like Biobar to > the tank, but if you are always taking wet fuel, you are going to have > ongoing problems. > > Draining the tank turns out to be no big deal. There is a hose > between the tank and the fuel line. One end has a special fitting that > screws into the strainer, the other end is clamped to the fuel line. Just > undo the clamp, remove the line, and fuel will come out neatly. Just run > down the tank as low as possible first. I like to line up a couple of oil > change pans, and a five gallon fuel jug. Dump the fuel into the jug as you > switch pans. > > The strainer comes out with a pipe wrench or channel locks. Once > it's out you should be able to evaluate how gooped up you are. If it's > really bad, the tank should be removed and steamed, and you should > disassemble the guage sending unit as well. You should replace the strainer > and hose as a matter of course. > > At 02:37 PM 1/21/01 -0800, john wrote: > >how do I get rid of it? > >how much would it cost to have someone else take the diesel bath? ;) > > > >john > >------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > >------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:20:30 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: algae thanx... and algae will make it run poorly?? like it's got a clogged filter? (I change the filter and it gets better for a while... :) (Just want to make sure I'm chasing the right problem...:) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:32:33 -0800 From: john Subject: put my 300SD on classifieds2000 http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+R1096626 - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:55:54 -0800 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: algae Yes: The dead algae sink to the bottom of the tank and clog the tank screen and the filters. Mike At 04:20 PM 1/21/01 -0800, john wrote: >thanx... > >and algae will make it run poorly?? like it's got >a clogged filter? (I change the filter and it gets >better for a while... :) > >(Just want to make sure I'm chasing the right problem...:) >john >------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:03:40 -0800 From: john Subject: book value! yikes, just checked blue book on my benz, it dropped in value... arrgghhhhhh.... ;) I had it listed before below book, I lowered my price, checked again and know I'm slightly over book ($100)... sheesh... somebody stop the world until it sells already... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:06:19 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: algae At 07:55 PM 1/21/01 -0800, Michael Frank wrote: >Yes: > The dead algae sink to the bottom of the tank and clog the tank > screen and the filters. >Mike well, if that's the case then I guess it's safe to say that the Amsoil Diesel Fuel Concentrate kills algae too. :) My troubles started back in November when I ran some through my system... my filters clogged going over Stevens pass... black stuff... changed the filters again, more black stuff... I'm still going to get the algae killing stuff and run it through... I may connect my Racor filter to help... This is another good reason to sell the Benz, I don't drive it enough and I'm sure moisture collects in the tank, has to, look at where I live. ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:04:40 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: algae At 08:24 PM 1/21/01 -0500, Al Potter wrote: >Well, I can tell you how bad it CAN get..... > >The algae can and will eventually clog the fuel system to the point where >the engine starves for fuel. The symptoms are exactly the same as running >the tank dry, except that if left to sit for a while (a few ninutes to an >hour or so), ehough fuel will trickle past the stoppage to eventually allow >you to crank the engine. it was almost this bad going over the pass... I went to Walmart, not exactly the kind of shopping experience we enjoy... Costco is an order of magnitude classier... ;) I did get some of the Diesel Fuel Additive, 2.97 or something like that, and the Marvel Mystery oil... didn't see any algae stuff... I may through some of the Amsoil in there too... what the heck... ;) just kidding... I guess I'll get another set of filters and run that fuel treatment through with this tank, drop the Racor in line, drop the strainer, clean it all out and hope all is better... :) Of course it'll take me about two weeks of daily driving to burn off the 3/4 tank I have now... a miserable two weeks of stuttering and shuddering.... I hate missing engines... my J10 has a little miss when it's cold... what a nasty feeling... you expect something to happen, and it doesn't. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:12:08 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: if... At 10:20 PM 1/21/01 -0500, Chris Straut wrote: >I'm sure someone has asked this before, but why wouldn't you want to keep a >nice 300SD around? You gotta admit, it's much better ride than a Jeep for >those long trips! actually, no. The Full Size Jeep, when set up properly, is much more comfortable on the road. You have great visibility and the ride is very nice, remember, it's body on frame with large tires... The problem is the economic implications of prolonged FSJ use... Old Blue was lucky to see 13mpg... :) >By the way, do you have any information on manual heater/ac conversions? I heard there were some kits available... what it may have been is retrofitting the controls with an earlier model, which I'll happily do... Even when the climate control works as described in the owner's manual it's a pathetic setup... it's noisy, blasts you in defrost mode... doesn't respond immediately to temp changes on the dial or in the cabin... >The automatic climate control in my 300D works well at the moment, but I >expect that situation will change after a few years when I start to put some >real mileage on the car. I'd be interested to see how it is done. not sure what the secret is, except normal constant use... the times I've let my benz's sit, is the time things acted up... they are meant to be used... >Those european headlights really look sharp. I plan on buying a set for my >300D in a few months. Along with the new 16" Mercedes ATP Type-8 wheels >that I got this Christmas, I think it's going to look great. the standard headlights on my 300SD, even with the halogen sealed beams is pathethic compared to my IPF's that I had on Fritz or have on my other Jeeps. I can only imagine that the European lights will be so much better, and perhaps better than the IPFs, Hellas or bosch replacments for the US lamps. john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:31:43 -0800 From: john Subject: fuel efficient 4x4s??? I know a few of you have 4x4's that aren't Jeeps... while I'll argue hard and long that a Jeep is the best rig off road, especially when set up properly, and most FSJ and XJs do a great job of reaching a good compromise for on road use... but neither are fuel efficient in the grand scheme of things... (unless you get a 2.1L Turbo Diesel or 2.5 L xj... or maybe a good 4.2L setup...) anyway... I'm trying to think outside the box a bit... broaden my horizons... consider something other than a Jeep or a Mercedes... now before you call 911 and have me carted off for a mental evaluation... I'm just exploring ideas... I think one ride in a non-jeep vehicle of the 4x4 persuasion will have me running back for the little wagoneer or Superdawg... But, I'm curious... are these little rigs from asia like fuel efficient to the point they'd make a good commuter? Will they have a nice ride? I know they won't do as well as a Jeep off road, but how often do I get off road, especially since most of the areas I used to wheel are now gated... :( Anyway, if SuperDawg should be sold to that guy in belgium, I'll be replacing him with an '80 Cherokee Chief, but thinking about a little econobox 4x4 for getting back and forth to work... remember, this is just a mental exercise... and remember too, it'll have to be an older rig too... If I'm gonna pay any money of any amount, it'll be for a newer Jeep... ;) A VW TDI would be nice too, but I don't like being that low to the ground anymore... even my 300SD sits a bit low, but it doesn't feel so bad since there is so much of it around me... :) See, Jeep and / or Mercedes could solve this dilema for me if they'd just stick a Turbo Diesel in their 4x4s... :) I had an '85 xj with the TD... kind of wish I would have kept it... it was a nice setup... 26 to 32 mpg... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:56:50 -0500 From: Al Potter Subject: Re: algae john-at-virtual-cafe.com said: > I did get some of the Diesel Fuel Additive, 2.97 or something like > that, and the Marvel Mystery oil... didn't see any algae stuff... Well, read the labes on what IS there.... some of it has anti-algae schtuff in it. I _think_ I'm using Howes, not sure. When in real need, stop at a truck stop. (There's probably a parable there.....) > Of course it'll take me about two weeks of daily driving to burn > off the 3/4 tank I have now That may be more of the problem. My mechanic tells me this happens most often when the car isn't driven regularly, or when the fuel is from somewhere that doesn't turn have a lot of sales volume. So run it empty, or drain the tank, clean `er out, use anti-algae additive, consider changing where you buy fuel, and if you don't drive it a lot, quit filling the tank. I inherited the problem when we bought our latest, an 83 300CD with (then) 58k original miles. Once we got the gunk cleaned out (took two trips in to the shop), we've have no problems. AL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:03:33 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: fuel efficient 4x4s??? At 12:00 AM 1/22/01 -0500, Chris wrote: > I've looked at the stickers on some of the new small-size 4X4s and I'm >always AMAZED... They're getting like 15 in town and MAYBE 20 on the >freeway... So, I don't think that a fuel efficient 4X4/transportation >vehicle exists at the moment... Not in the U.S. anyway. >Chris well, if I get SuperDawg running properly, and then fuel injected, he'll do that... I'm wondering if a 4.0L in a Cherokee Chief will get the same mileage as I could with a J10. I just don't understand why Jeep or Mercedes doesn't at least offer a Diesel setup in their line... I mean they sell 'em overseas... what is it with the US, has California ruined it for us?? john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:16:35 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel efficient 4x4s??? At 12:12 AM 1/22/01 -0500, Don Campbell wrote: >Have you considered a Jeep with the 4.0L motor.. I have a 93 Grand >Cherokee (4spd auto and the 4.0) that I commute to work in (120mile round >trip) and I see 24mpg, and I drive 75+mph.. My father has a 89 Cherokee >4.0 / 5spd and gets 25mpg on the highway.. We both get around 18-20 in the >city.. wow... I'm getting about 16 mpg with my 88 xj wagoneer limited... best I've ever seen with it is about 19mpg... of course it does have 207,000 miles, a lift kit, larger tires and 4.10s... :) I still think that a 4.0L in my '83 J10 is the way to go. It's a nice motor, and I have heard of others locally getting 24 mpg with it... I must have a heavy foot... :) Living in Europe all those years affected my driving habits... >If you think about it, my ZJ Jeep costs less to drive than my 82 300D >Turbo does.. Once I fixed all the fuel leaks (rotted fuel lines, but what >can you expect after 265K) in the benz the best it got was 27mpg and >locally there's a ~20 cent price difference for diesel (1.37 Reg Unleaded >to 1.60 for diesel).. My benz has never really saved me money, I remember >last year when it was cheaper to drive my 91 Nissan 300zx twin turbo >getting 22mpg using 93 octane than it was to drive the benz.. yeah, what's with the Diesel prices anyway? I can remember when Diesel was like .19/gal and gas was .59. Even a few years ago Diesel was usually .10 to .20 less than gas... must be the californians again... ;) >Even though my benz is the only diesel I currently own I am still a big >fan of diesels.. The 6.2L diesel from chevy was a solid motor, my father's >86 chevy pickup w/ 4spd auto and 2.73 gears averages 24mpg and has over >200K on the motor.. Chevy made a good motor with the 6.2/6.5, the just >coupled it to a weak automatic tranny the 700R4, ours had been rebuilt >before we got the truck and its still going 80k later.. It will be >interesting to see how the new DuraMax Diesel from chevy is going to work >out.. > >Another good motor is the 5.9L Cummings Turbo Diesel in the Dodge RAMs, >the engine compartment is wide open and the I6 motor is very easy to work >on.. Plus there are bolt on performance goodies to boost the 165hp/200+ft >pound of torque to something insane like 300hp/700ft pounds of torque.. >-Don the cummins Diesel is so massive, so noisy, and so overbearing that I can't even consider it as a swap item... and I couldn't imagine owning another Dodge... I had one... they're ok... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:58:29 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fuel efficient 4x4s??? On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Vernon Tuck wrote: >-->On the same subject: >-->I have a '53 Dodge Power Wagon "M-37" troop carrier. It has a flat head 6 >-->cyl engine. >--> >-->I recently purchased a wrecked '82 diesel Maxima with the LD28 straight six >-->cyl diesel. >--> >-->I'm torn between putting the engine into the power wagon or putting the >-->engine and rear axle into a 240Z. I've never heard of a diezel Z. >--> >-->Have you? no, but that sounds like a better option than trying to move 3 tons of Dodge with it... ;) A Diesel Z would be a nice ride... :) >-->Enquirin' bird-brains wanna know. >-->VT ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:58:22 +1300 From: Euan Kennedy Subject: Re: Algae (longish, and arguably unhelpful) John Algae... I assume that you are talking about diesel bug - the automotive equivalent of AIDS. It's the fuel disease no-one wants to talk about (do the fuel companies not market treatments for fear that their fuel will be labelled as dirty?). The disease is transmitted, among other ways, through the sharing of fuel nossles and exchange of fluids from water-contaminated tanks. Kills performance spectacularly when your fuel filters clog up, and will probably test the fragile tolerances of the pump, your car's very expensive heart. Here in New Zealand, I found it a lot easier to blather on metaphorically than it was to buy products to kill this bug. I tried draining and flushing the tank and fuel lines, and replacing all fuel filters, but none of these solutions worked. Eventually, after weeks of fruitless searching in shops for a proprietary product, I asked one of the large local trucking companies what they used to deal with the bug. Turned out that they had an Australian grey-market product called FUELSET, which they used on a precautionary basis in their fleet. It was a biocide, they said. Better than an emulsifier which deprives the bug of the water it needs. I had a hell of a job finding the distributors for this stuff. Seemed like I had to join some secret society before I was permitted to know who sold it. The agent sold the product from his home. That didn't fill me with confidence in the product: buying it that way resembled the practices used by shamans to market screw-ball fuel-saving products (to make matters worse, the product label said FUELSET would also improve fuel economy-give me a break!). I bought a litre in desperation and commenced treatment at the prescribed rates. Months (!!) later, the black gunge disappeared from my fuel filters. It hasn't come back, but that may be more good luck than management. Since then I have taken precautions of my own-forms of automotive prophylaxis. I fitted clear plastic in-line filters to the fuel line in the engine bay so I could see immediately if the black death had returned. I keep my tank topped up to minimise the risk of condensation forming in it. On rainy days, I buy my fuel from pumps under cover. I use fuel centres whose diesel turn-over rates are high (easier said than done in the back-country). I keep a close eye on my fuel gauge-last time,the bug caused it to malfunction. Apart from that, I could treat my fuel on a precautionary basis, but the biocide is just too damned expensive. I'm flying on risk at present. Good luck with your efforts, John. I'm sure that treatments are easier to find in the US and Europe. Euan ___________________________________________________________ Euan S Kennedy 5 Banks Avenue Shirley Christchurch 8006 New Zealand Ph (home): 64 3 385 5714 E-mail: euan-at-chch.planet.org.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:53:05 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: book value! At 09:15 AM 1/22/01 -0600, Doug Kolb wrote: >John, > >I was thinking about selling my 300TE, and had the same sticker shock you >did. Between Dec. and Jan, the new year brought me about 800 less for my >300TE given the exact same variables. OUCH! > >Doug > >========================================================== >Douglas Kolb I guess we should expect it... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:08:30 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: [1FSJ] Re: fsj: fuel efficient 4x4s??? At 11:37 PM 1/21/01 -0800, Justin Phillips wrote: >http://wps.com/LPG/index.html > >Check this guy's DIY pages. He converted a AMC 232 inline 6, very similar to >your engine (the pics will prove it) problem is my last load of propane delivered to my HOUSE was more than the current price of Diesel, which is obscene... dieslel is about 1.79 right now, reg gas at a shell station in mill creek is 1.49 and we paid 1.84 for propane for our heater!!! john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:58:32 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: algae sounds like it might help if I installed my Racor filter setup... I dumped a bunch of fuel treatment in last night... john At 11:39 AM 1/22/01 -0800, Mark Fountain wrote: >John, >I would suggest using a Frantz TP fuel filter. This is a full flow filter >that would probably filter out all that "algaeic goo". Also I believe >that the Mercedes (like many other diesels) uses a fuel return line that >would serve to recirculate the fuel and with successive filter changes, >eventually remove all the gunk. >By the way, I have drained the fuel from my tank twice, once to repair >the sender unit and another time to check the filter screen. I did the >latter in a hotel parking lot in Sacramento on a road trip from LA to >Portland just after I got my Benz. I pulled off the outlet hose and let >the remaining fuel drain into an 8 quart oil drain pan from a nearby >automotive store. This took a while as there was almost 2 gallons left. >When I removed the filter screen there was less than a cup of fuel left >in the tank if I remember right. I did not get a diesel bath. The screen >was fine. The problem I had was not with the fuel system. >Hope this helps! >Mark > >john wrote: - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #478 *********************************