From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #480 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, January 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 480 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: algae Where is the BEST place for my Benz to live? 126 euro lights Re: 126 euro lights Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #479 Euro Headlights WAS:(Re: if...) wanted visco clutch $ 500 for headlights???? Re: [1FSJ] Re: fuel costs, and why propane isn't good... Re: [1FSJ] Re: fuel costs, and why propane isn't good... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:05:08 From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Re: algae I heard the BIG truck diesel doesn't work well in the cars... it's supposedly #3 diesel, cars take #2 or was it #1... I went to a truck stop once and got diesel, and my car ran like crap for a few weeks... and that was told to me :( Mike M. '83 300SD W126 '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ >From: Dan Jacobs >To: diesel-benz-out-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: algae >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:28:03 -0500 (EST) > >If there are people out there that live next to one of those cardlock fuel >sites, and you have problems with getting inferior fuel or contaminated >fuel, you could try Pacific Pride, or CFN. These places usually sell quite >a bit of fuel, so the stuff doesn't collect water and crud, unless their >tanks leak. I get my fuel at Jubitz truck stop in Portland, OR, using the >Pacific Pride cardlock system, and I get billed every month by a company in >Newport, OR. _NEVER_ a problem with the fuel from jubitz truck stop. > >They recently opened some car fuel islands on the west side of the truck >stop, but I still use the BIG truck pumps, They have the card reader. > >Diesel Dan, your "waiting in line behind 200 trucks for fuel" man in >Vancouver, U-Know-Where > >------Original Message------ >From: Al Potter >To: john >Sent: January 22, 2001 4:56:50 AM GMT >Subject: Re: algae > > >john-at-virtual-cafe.com said: > > I did get some of the Diesel Fuel Additive, 2.97 or something like > > that, and the Marvel Mystery oil... didn't see any algae stuff... > >Well, read the labes on what IS there.... some of it has anti-algae >schtuff >in it. I _think_ I'm using Howes, not sure. > >When in real need, stop at a truck stop. (There's probably a parable >there.....) > > > Of course it'll take me about two weeks of daily driving to burn > > off the 3/4 tank I have now > >That may be more of the problem. My mechanic tells me this happens most >often when the car isn't driven regularly, or when the fuel is from >somewhere that doesn't turn have a lot of sales volume. > >So run it empty, or drain the tank, clean `er out, use anti-algae additive, >consider changing where you buy fuel, and if you don't drive it a lot, quit >filling the tank. > >I inherited the problem when we bought our latest, an 83 300CD with (then) >58k original miles. Once we got the gunk cleaned out (took two trips in to >the shop), we've have no problems. > >AL _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:36:36 -0800 From: chris-at-califormula.com Subject: Where is the BEST place for my Benz to live? I love diesel Mercedes cars. I drove the pants off of a 1970 220D. I earned the quarter million mark with that car. I am applying for the high milage award for my 300D now. Dumb question, where is the engine number? I need to include that on the form. I want to get out of Southern California. I want to take my "D" to a nicer place. I want a lake and a place to live in peace in my 5th wheel camper. I want to have a boat and not pay to store it. I want to go fishing without $15 for day permit, $15 boat launch fees, $5 each person to fish. Catch and release only. I want to catch bass and bluegills and actually eat them. Too polluted here for that. A river might do. I want to live right on the edge of some fresh water. Where I could build a house if I find enough scrap lumber laying around. Wife can teach school. I can fish and live on my $700 social security checks. Where is this place? Chris... dying to go fishing for free... 1981 W123 300D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:31:26 -0800 From: john Subject: 126 euro lights where did you get the european lights for your 126, how much? john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:59:08 From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Re: 126 euro lights I got my Euro's at Adsit Company in CA... www.adsitco.com I think is the web address. They were $695.00 but they offered a $50.00 rebate because I ordered online, and then gave me $100.00 trade-in on the American lights... so they came to: $545.00. They're cool because they bolt right in, come with new plug-conversion kit that allows you to use the 4 watt parking lights with it... when you turn on the parking lights, the headlights glow dimly... really European looking!! :) Mike M. '83 300SD W126 '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ >From: john >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: 126 euro lights >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:31:26 -0800 > >where did you get the european lights for your 126, how much? > >john >------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:49:06 -0700 From: "Erik Bien" Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #479 > >From: john > >To: (Recipient list suppressed) > >Subject: fuel efficient 4x4s??? > >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:31:43 -0800 > > > >I know a few of you have 4x4's that aren't Jeeps... while I'll > >argue hard and long that a Jeep is the best rig off road, especially > >when set up properly, and most FSJ and XJs do a great job of reaching > >a good compromise for on road use... but neither are fuel efficient > >in the grand scheme of things... (unless you get a 2.1L Turbo Diesel > >or 2.5 L xj... or maybe a good 4.2L setup...) anyway... > > > >I'm trying to think outside the box a bit... broaden my horizons... > >consider > >something other than a Jeep or a Mercedes... > > > >now before you call 911 and have me carted off for a mental evaluation... > >I'm > >just exploring ideas... I think one ride in a non-jeep vehicle of the > >4x4 persuasion will have me running back for the little wagoneer or > >Superdawg... > > > >But, I'm curious... are these little rigs from asia like fuel efficient to > >the > >point they'd make a good commuter? Will they have a nice ride? I know > >they > >won't do as well as a Jeep off road, but how often do I get off road, > >especially > >since most of the areas I used to wheel are now gated... :( (Why do I *DO* this?) OK, I don't expect any of the Benz/Jeep contingent to agree with me on this one, but here in Colorado, with our narrow, rocky 4x4 trails, it has been impossible to ignore the trend of guys trading their Jeeps for Suzuki Samaurais. They go where others can't by virtue of their size, get amazing mileage, and have aftermarket/swap potential galore. I needed a daily driver more than a trail toy, so I bought a '92 4-door Sidekick instead of a Sammy (the 16-valve head really wakes up the little 2L engine; would be a great and easy upgrade for a Samurai!). On one particularly torturous old wagon road, both my Sidekick and another guy's 4.0L Cherokee sport had to take a "running start" to get over a series of particularly daunting obstacles, *not* what you wanna do when rockcrawling! The vehicle that "walked right up" the trail that day turned out to be a Toyota shortbox pickup. So, when my Sidekick was rudely introduced to a steel billboard leg by a drunk in an LTD Crown Vic, I poured my (scandalously low, for a scrupulously-maintained and documented truck) insurance settlement into an 88 standard-cab Toy. The light bed and buggy springs in back make it ride like a truck, which I don't really mind (and I'd needed/wanted a truck for some time; transporting lumber in a car is the *PITS*!), and of course it was much cheaper than a comparable 4-Runner. I must say, I have never driven a stock vehicle that is more capable than that Toyota off-road. (OK, I never got to test-drive the G-wagen on any trails, either!) The low-range makes good use of the 22R engine's powerband, the IFS front articulates surprisingly well (I think it doesn't hurt that the frame of my truck is free to twist between the cab and bed, either; the twist is pretty obvious when she's crossed-up), it has good approach angles, a narrow short wheelbase (less "white-knuckley" on those old trails than a fatter truck). In town, it's the perfect vehicle as well: squirts away from stoplights quickly, gets good mileage, is easy to park compared to most trucks, and every bit as reliable as any of the (3) Benz diesels I've owned over the years. Also, I've noticed an increasing amount of aftermarket support for these trucks in the last several years; I'm pretty confident when the truck finally decides it wants attention, I can improve it, not just fix it. OK, if I was looking at long high-speed highway miles regularly, and wasn't hauling building materials, I'd probably check out a 4-Runner instead. But that little Toy is a keeper! (But what the heck do I know; my new obsession is a 1967 crew cab Dodge 4x4 ...) - -- Erik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:04:03 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Euro Headlights WAS:(Re: if...) Mike, Where did you purchase them from? Jim/ '83 240D Mike Mehringer wrote: > I purchased the Euro healights for my W126 and they are stunning! I > love them. I only have the standard 55W/60W bulbs and it illuminates well. > I can imagine how much better it would be with more powerful bulbs! :) > > Mike M. > '83 300SD W126 > '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ > > >>Those european headlights really look sharp. I plan on buying a set for > >>my > >>300D in a few months. Along with the new 16" Mercedes ATP Type-8 wheels > >>that I got this Christmas, I think it's going to look great. > > > >the standard headlights on my 300SD, even with the halogen sealed beams > >is pathethic compared to my IPF's that I had on Fritz or have on my other > >Jeeps. I can only imagine that the European lights will be so much better, > >and perhaps better than the IPFs, Hellas or bosch replacments for the US > >lamps. > > > >john > >------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > >------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:09:39 -0500 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: wanted a core short block for an OM 617.95 engine I want it for an offline rebuild..... SDB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:23:52 +0100 (MET) From: nepppi-at-gmx.de Subject: visco clutch Hi folks, has anyone ever tried to replace the ventilator of the 240D W123 model with the visco clutch the 300D models use? I somewhere read that MB fitted the 300D model with the visco clutch to get a few more miles per gallon out of them. So I was wondering if this would work with my four cylinder diesel, as well. Thanks, Thorsten Windhues - -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:28:32 +0100 (MET) From: nepppi-at-gmx.de Subject: $ 500 for headlights???? Hi, who is gonna pay more than $500 for Euro headlights? Were these at least new headlights or used ones? Gosh, that seems so incredibly expensive to me. You can surely get them way cheaper in Germany even if you have to pay for the shipping. Bye, Thorsten Windhues - -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:09:41 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: [1FSJ] Re: fuel costs, and why propane isn't good... At 03:54 PM 1/24/01 -0500, Ray (lists) wrote: >Remember that we're talking about net power. That's what the wheels see >after a lot of power has been lost in the transmission, transfer case, and >differential. It makes comparing vehicles easier, but it'll screw you up if >you're thinking about taking a diesel out of a Mercedes and grafting it to a >lossy FSJ driveline. Even if you keep the Mercedes transmission, you're >still running it through the t-case. > >If you try the above mentioned swap, you'll probably be disappointed by the >power that you actually get to the back wheels. sure, but the deck is stacked the same way for a Diesel as for a gas engine... same losses apply to realize the net. The numbers are a base reference for the beginning... not the realized net at the rear wheels, so we're still comparing apples to apples. I think other factors that should be considered is the usuable power range of a particular engine. The Mercedes Turbo Diesel is "peaky", meaning it's most useful power is within a narrower band than say the AMC 360 or 4.2L. The 360 seems to have the same amount of power available pretty much throughout the rpm range. Same with my 4.2L. My 4.0L's seem to have a wider band of power than the Mercedes Turbo Diesel, but not as wide as either of the older AMC motors. I'll have to see if I can find the actual plotted out horsepower and torque curves for the 4.0, 4.2, 5.9 and the MB 3.0L engines... at this point I'm going by seat of the pants perspective and a few data points as spec'd. :) It's like comparing a garden tractor to a dirt bike. The tractor will pretty much pull no matter what rpm, while the dirt bike is happiest only in a certain band... the Benz seems to me to be more like that... you get that thing wound up a bit and it's responsive, otherwise, well, it's more like a slow garden tractor. ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:59:01 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: [1FSJ] Re: fuel costs, and why propane isn't good... At 05:28 PM 1/24/01 -0500, Ray (lists) wrote: >The point is that the AMC engine is being measured after an inefficient >TH400 or TF727, followed by a t-case, followed by the axle has soaked up who told you this? The engine specs are at the flywheel afaik. I've never seen specs for any engine stated AFTER the driveline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the horsepower and torque is measured, or computed, at the flywheel/crank, and not after the tranny. Your going to have to cite this from some authorative document like a factory service manual or something like that. The way I learned it in school was it's measured at the crank/flywheel, NOT at the output of the driveline or rear axle. No one has changed that rule as far as I can determine... I'm not always paying attention, but this has been this way for a long, long time... john >some of the power. The Mercedes is measured through the transmission (which >is probably more efficient), then the axle (or transaxle). It's being >"discounted" less. > >AMC 360: 187 HP >After TH400 (80%): 150 HP >After t-case (90%): 135 HP >After axle (95%): 128 HP (the figure you quoted) > >Mercedes Diesel: 155 HP >After transmission (85%): 132 >After axle (90%): 125 HP (the figure you quoted) > >Obviously, I took your quoted net figures and worked them backwards to get >the figures for power at the engine output. The efficiency figures are >somewhat educated guesses. Play with them a bit and see what you get. If >you can find the actual figures, so much the better :) > >Now, for kicks and grins, let's see what happens when we graft the Mercedes >engine to a Wagoneer drive train: > >Mercedes Diesel: 155 HP >After TH400 (80%): 124 HP >After t-case (90%): 112 HP >After axle (95%): 106 HP > >If you manage to keep the Mercedes transmission and graft it to the FSJ's >t-case, you'll get this. > >Mercedes Diesel: 155 HP >After transmission (85%): 132 >After t-case (90%): 119HP >After axle (95%): 113 HP (somewhat better) > >Using the Mercedes transmission would have the additional advantage of >having gear ratios that are better suited for that engine's torque curve. > > >Ray Drouillard - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #480 *********************************