From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #532 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 532 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #530 Re: fsj: Diesel Powered Jeep? shameless corporate plug... ;) fuel Re: fuel Re: fuel Nissan Diesels Re: fuel Re: Asking price for a Passat TDI WAS: what's realistic? Re: fuel Replace expansion valve and drier? Re: Replace expansion valve and drier? RE: fuel Poor idle problem after oil change. Re: fuel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:20:27 -0400 From: "Visel, Gerry HS-SNS" Subject: RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #530 That was much too brief an intro to the Ritter/Easley list, Bill! There are some real diesel Benz experts there (and a few gassers!) They have a lot of input from all around the world, with a few well respected gurus who live on diesel fuel, I think, (and a few gassers!) Great resource there! (Get the Digest version, though, cuz it's a very active list. I probably get at least six or eight digests a day.) Gerry Visel '67 230 Fintail, '83 300TD Wagon - -----Original Message----- From: "W.HornGrinder" Subject: Interesting Link Here's a neat link y'all might find useful.. http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/mercedes/welcome.html :)-Bill - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:58:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Diesel Powered Jeep? On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, James Blair wrote: >-->A: So far, I only know of the Nissan 810s and Maximas (Rear wheel drive >-->wagons only) that have the diesel motor with AW4 trans, but some of the I've seen one of the Maxima wagons, a fellow MB Diesel owner has one. Didn't realize it had the AW4 though... :) if you hear of one in good condition (engine/trans) let me know. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: shameless corporate plug... ;) IF you watch the CBS program "King of Queens" tonight you'll see Intermec equipment (scanners/printers) in the Fed-Ex scene... The guy from Intermec is Scott Shainman, he's not an actor... He's just a Systems Consultant that helped them setup the scene and ended up with a bit part on the show. :) (I've been the Sr. Engineering CAD Sys Admin at Intermec since Oct '97... ;) (our stock is really cheap right now, UNA ... ;) buy, buy... Hey, did you hear they're laying off at Disney???? I can understand the layoffs at DaimlerChrysler (mandatory list content), but Disney??? ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:46:17 -0400 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: fuel Will a diesel engine burn gasoline? Anybody tried it? I am thinking about that hypothetical emergency here. After all the cooking oil has gone, after the heating oil, after the bacon grease...... SDB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Straut Subject: Re: fuel It's my understanding that burning gasoline in a diesel engine will cause it to explode or do other nasty things. I wouldn't try it :) I could be wrong, though! Chris On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, S.D.Byers wrote: > Will a diesel engine burn gasoline? > Anybody tried it? > > I am thinking about that hypothetical emergency here. After all the > cooking oil has gone, after the heating oil, after the bacon > grease...... > > SDB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Subject: Re: fuel On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, S.D.Byers wrote: > Will a diesel engine burn gasoline? > Anybody tried it? Not personally. I gather they run very badly if at all. I also gather that the main risk of dammage is not from exploding, but to the injection pump because diesel lubricates bits of the pump and gasoline is a lousy lubricant. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:02:02 -0700 From: john Subject: Nissan Diesels At 09:02 PM 4/9/01 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: >I thought you might be remotely interested in this. The engine in this car >is the same as in the IH diesel scout if I'm not mistaken. I had an '81 p/u >which went about 500K miles between oil changes... >Vernon >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=577435934& >r=0&t=0 on the ebay car: sure, it says it won't start, it's a manual, it's a 4 cylinder and they want $65 MORE to process papers... the bids at $50 right now, that's $110 for a 232,000 mile engine that doesn't work... ;) but it's only about 5 hrs south of me... ;) the rest of the car will net about $10 in scrap metal, maybe... ;) I took a look, they used 6 cylinder Nissan engines in the IH: in 1979: Nissan CN6-33 Diesel, bxs 3.27"x3.94", 198ci kiki mechanical fuel injection, 22:1 compression ratio 81 hp -at-3,800 rpm, 138ft lbs torque at 1200-1600rpm. 662 lb engine? the 78 put out 92 hp -at-4,000rpm... hmmm... but lower torque at higher rpm... This is interesting since the 2.1L all aluminum Renault Turbo Diesel in my 85 xj pumped out 85hp and 115 ft lbs of torque... the Nissan is around 3.25 liters (maybe designated 3.3???) While the little Renault was 128 cu in! I still think the 3.0L Mercedes 5 cylinder Turbo Diesel used from 82 to 85 would be the best engine to use... Bosch injection pump, clean design, timing chain... simple... and the beauty of it is the vehicle it's going into has NORMAL doorlocks and climate control... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:44:12 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: fuel I've always believed that gasoline was too volatile. In an emergency, motor oil works fine. I keep my next oil change in the trunk, if I was running out of fuel I'd just mix it into the tank. Better not to let yourself run low. Mike Frank 1979 300CD New York At 10:46 PM 4/9/01, S.D.Byers wrote: >Will a diesel engine burn gasoline? >Anybody tried it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:07:58 -0400 From: Thomas Savage Subject: Re: Asking price for a Passat TDI WAS: what's realistic? John, Your Passat's service history sounds quite a bit like mine, except I never had a problem with paint and my VR6 exploded at 120k miles (this was the fault of a moron mechanic, though, and not the car.) Many of the problems you and I experienced don't apply to the TDI, however. The tie rod and wheel bearing problems (I replaced one bearing every 10k miles) seem to only hit the VR6, owing to the heavier weight of the six cylinder engine and the fact that it wears slightly wider wheels and tires than is optimal (215/50R15 vs 195/60R14). The autobox problem is caused by a magnet in the tranny oil pan being too close to the controller chip in the valve body. There is an updated oil pan available (as of 1997 or so) with a relocated magnet that supposedly rectifies the tranny problems. (Mine was a 5-speed, though, still working perfectly when I sold it at 137k miles.) It's a shame the build quality is lacking in some of them, as the B4 Passat is a really nice car when everything is working properly. Tom John Bathory wrote: > > Well Jim & Barb just a few comments regarding your thoughts of the 96 Passat > TDI. I have owned a 96 Passat since new however it is the VR6 version. Since > owing it and after warranty I've went through 1 set of tie rod ends > ($250.00), 1 instrument cluster ($400.00), 1 rad fan ($450.00). When it was > under warranty it required 1 set of tie rod ends, 1 paint job, (it all > peeled at 6 months) and 2 batteries. Now that car has never been driven off > pavement and has just broken the 30k mileage point. 96 and 97 were a > separate production for these cars and after searching through various web > sites I've heard some very disappointing prefailures about the 96 and 97 > model years specifically the dash, front wheel bearings, the auto trany. The > car itself is nicely sized and handles good but unfortunately not many were > ever sold so obtaining after market add ons and options is almost impossible > to find. I believe they discontinued production of the turbo diesel Passat > in 97. Last week I just sold my 87 jetta turbo diesel with 220 k miles on > the clock and running excellently. In my opinion a jetta diesel is the way > to go if you must own a vw as these are just a much more popular car and > getting parts and options are just so much easier to obtain. Good luck and > keep us posted on what you decide. > - -- __________________________________________________________________ Tom Savage | thomas-at-savage.org | Vienna, West Virginia | 1982 300D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:40:56 -0400 From: "John Heflin" Subject: Re: fuel I recall reading about someone trying that (maybe it was on here.. dunno) and the person said the engine started to "glow red" before it died, never to start again... who knows, I wouldn't try it, besides I always have a case of oil in my trunk, good to know I can use it for fuel in an emergency :) John Heflin (jeez, how many johns are on this list?) >From: Chris Straut >To: "S.D.Byers" >CC: Diesel-Benz List >Subject: Re: fuel >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:47:53 -0400 (EDT) > >It's my understanding that burning gasoline in a diesel engine will cause >it to explode or do other nasty things. I wouldn't try it :) I could be >wrong, though! > >Chris > > > >On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, S.D.Byers wrote: > > > Will a diesel engine burn gasoline? > > Anybody tried it? > > > > I am thinking about that hypothetical emergency here. After all the > > cooking oil has gone, after the heating oil, after the bacon > > grease...... > > > > SDB _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:17:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Straut Subject: Replace expansion valve and drier? I'm going to replace my AC compressor and clutch and make the coversion to R134a this afternoon. I've read that I should replace the expansion valve and drier while I'm at it. True or false? :) Thanks! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:46:07 +0200 (MEST) From: nepppi-at-gmx.de Subject: Re: Replace expansion valve and drier? definetly the drier since a big amount of the old mineral oil is in there. I don't think that the change of the expansion valve is necessary. Thorsten (still with R12 in his 200D ;-) > I'm going to replace my AC compressor and clutch and make the coversion to > R134a this afternoon. I've read that I should replace the expansion valve > and drier while I'm at it. True or false? :) > > Thanks! > Chris > - -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:31:57 -0400 From: "Barnes, Mark" Subject: RE: fuel I'm not to sure about trying to burn only motor oil but Kerosene and Home Heating oil will work. They are not as clean or refined but will work. My neighbor does it from time to time in his Dodge 2500 with the Cummins 5.9L. You can tell by the slight exhaust smell but otherwise it seems to run just fine. Has anyone really tried to run the car on oil, used or new? Mark - -----Original Message----- From: John Heflin [mailto:greenmercedes240d-at-hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:41 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fuel I recall reading about someone trying that (maybe it was on here.. dunno) and the person said the engine started to "glow red" before it died, never to start again... who knows, I wouldn't try it, besides I always have a case of oil in my trunk, good to know I can use it for fuel in an emergency :) John Heflin (jeez, how many johns are on this list?) >From: Chris Straut >To: "S.D.Byers" >CC: Diesel-Benz List >Subject: Re: fuel >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:47:53 -0400 (EDT) > >It's my understanding that burning gasoline in a diesel engine will cause >it to explode or do other nasty things. I wouldn't try it :) I could be >wrong, though! > >Chris > > > >On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, S.D.Byers wrote: > > > Will a diesel engine burn gasoline? > > Anybody tried it? > > > > I am thinking about that hypothetical emergency here. After all the > > cooking oil has gone, after the heating oil, after the bacon > > grease...... > > > > SDB _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:45:36 -0400 From: "Barnes, Mark" Subject: Poor idle problem after oil change. I had the oil changed yesterday afternoon on the 85 300SD. It seemed alright at first but after driving in stop and go across town the idle go rougher until it seemed that it was going to stall. The car would shake tremendously when this happened, I could put my foot down lightly on the throtle and it would calm down. It seemed to drive OK just poor idle. I drove back home later in the evening in the rain and took the parkway and was able to criuse along at around 70 MPH. By the time I got home the idle was better but not normal. This morning it was fine! Any ideas, is there any possible relationship between a oil and filter change and the poor idle gremlin? Can an oil change lead to air in the fuel system? Also, yesterday was the hottest day we have had since we got the car (Around 85 and high 97% humidity.) and the temp guage showed about 87 - 90 degrees, up until now the hottest seems to have been about 82 or 83 which is the range it is running in today. Thanks for advice and wisdom! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:14:23 -0700 From: Robert Crawford Subject: Re: fuel As I recall (and I could very well be wrong on this) the mixture, for emergency diesel, is 1 quart *non detergent* motor oil to 1 gallon of gasoline. This means that the oil we all carry in our trunks is the wrong type for making emergency diesel (it may do damage; how much damage and what kind of damage? I have no idea). "Barnes, Mark" wrote: > > I'm not to sure about trying to burn only motor oil but Kerosene and Home > Heating oil will work. They are not as clean or refined but will work. My > neighbor does it from time to time in his Dodge 2500 with the Cummins 5.9L. > You can tell by the slight exhaust smell but otherwise it seems to run just > fine. Has anyone really tried to run the car on oil, used or new? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Heflin [mailto:greenmercedes240d-at-hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:41 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fuel > > I recall reading about someone trying that (maybe it was on here.. dunno) > and the person said the engine started to "glow red" before it died, never > to start again... who knows, I wouldn't try it, besides I always have a > case of oil in my trunk, good to know I can use it for fuel in an emergency > :) > > John Heflin > (jeez, how many johns are on this list?) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #532 *********************************