From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #583 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, July 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 583 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: welcome new list mom synthetics Greetings and salutations. a new record... misc. list stats administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:11:48 -0700 From: john Subject: welcome new list mom I'd like to introduce the new list mom, Derick, and thank him for helping out. :) He actually owns a Diesel Benz and everything. :) Derick derickam-at-speakeasy.net Bremerton, WA 1985 190d 265,000mi Future aquistion 220d. I'll still be around to help. I'm set up as kind of an alternate list mom for the other lists I set up as well, the FSJ and XJ lists. :) later, dieseljohn who should go by fotomeister from here on... ;) - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:23:52 -0700 From: john Subject: synthetics >Subject: Re: Amsoil >I have never used Amsoil before either. What is the >difference between Amsoil and other synthetics such as >Mobil 1 which I've been a "believer" in for the past 4 >years. Is it a full synthetic or a blend? I've heard >that it is great for higher mileage vehicles. My '88 mark, amsoil has been around since '73. it is a full synthethic that is fully compatible with dino oil. They do offer para-synthetics, syn and dino oil blended to offer a less costly product. but why use that to save $1 or so? :) mobil 1 is a synthesized hydrocarbon, basically reconstituted dino oil. mobil 1 reformulates the oil base so that all the molecules are the same size basically. It's good stuff but still subject to the weaknesses of oil as far as shear and temperature characteristics. amsoil, and other syn producers, do not like to share what they are made of. Basically amsoil uses a dibasic acid esther base stock. early versions of redline were polyol esther base stock and incompatible with dino oil, but were great for extreme performance racing engines, hence the name redline. the redline products out there now are a blended synthetic. redline's formulation isn't (or wasn't a while back) designed for extended drain intervals. By blending the base stocks you get the benefits of the extreme protection and the ability to mix with other oils. amsoil has an excellent base product to work from that requires little in the way of additive packages. but you'd expect that after all the years they've been doing it... :) oil doesn't wear out, it gets dirty and the additive packages break down. that's also why Diesels should not use 10w40, the viscosity index improvers break down and deposit on the rings and actually will wear the engine out. It's sad to say that there is so much "specmanship" in the synthetic oil market now... there are ASTM standards and tests... but it seems that you really can't shop and compare the specs provided. :( It would be nice if they listed things like pour point, flash point, the results of a standard four-ball wear test and so on... comparing products is just about impossible... :( bottom line is that most brand name synthetics are better than dino oil, most likely have seal swelling agents to prevent leaks and have better thermal characteristics than dino oil. Extended drain intervals have been a longstanding benefit of amsoil, and a nice "cushion" for those of us that forget... :) But if you're on a budget, buy the one that you can afford and change it on a regular basis. I typically go about 1/2 what I can on the amsoil synthetics, say about 12,000 miles or so instead of the 25,000 miles or one year... on my diesels I'd only go about 7,000 miles instead of the 15,000 miles. Of course with fuel injected engines going the full distance doesn't look to be a problem. :) One other use of synthetics is the Automatic Transmission... heat is the worst enemy. Synthethics, because of their uniform molecular size and electrical characteristics (they tend to "cling" to the metal), seem to transfer heat more efficiently. I've heard of temperature reductions of 50 to 75 degrees in tow trucks and other tow rigs. The same thing with the amsoil synthethic gear lube... a farmer contacted me because the vendor that sold him a feedbox said to use amsoil to keep the gearbox from blowing up! Claimed a 50 degree drop in operating temperature. Synthetics also resist mixing with water, so for 4x4's they make sense. Four Wheeler had an article by moses ludel a few years ago where he praised amsoil synthetics... Unfortunately the only synthetic power steering fluid I've seen is valvoline, and I'm using it... :) I think they make a synthetic brake fluid too, right? So, pretty much any synthetic or synthetic blend is worth using. The old myth of more leakage is still a myth. The benefits associated with improved heat transfer, increased shear strength, lower pour points, higher temperature characteristics, and increased durability make using synthetics a no-brainer. (a lot of newer vehicles require or recommend it too... Mercedes Benz Diesels come with it, so do Corvettes... my owner's manual on my WJ mention using Synthetics in the Vari-lock axles...) john - ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/ To order 1-800-956-5695 customer# 283461 Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:00 -0700 From: derickam-at-speakeasy.net Subject: Greetings and salutations. Howdy, Name is Derick and I live in the Bremerton Washington area. I have owned a diesel Benz since April of 1998. I have a 1985 190d. I am currently "renewing the engine". If you have questions on the W201 body or the 601.911 style engine (601.921). I may be able to help with reference material or my past experience. I am hopefully going to add a 1972 220d to my driveway in the next couple of weeks. I will need some indoctrination on the 115 chasis. Still learning the "list Mom" job, so bear with me. Thanks, Derick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: a new record... I think I set a new record on my commute home tonight... 27 minutes and 30 seconds to go less than 5/10ths of one mile... no, no accident, no, not bad weather, perfectly sunny temperate day... just normal 5pm traffic on State Route 96 as it connects to State Route 9... but remember, Snohomish County has been studying this intersection since 1976... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:55:40 -0700 From: john Subject: misc. list stats and the winner is... FSJ... ;) (real time + digest mode - June 29, 2001) XJ list: 61 + 67 = 128 diesel-benz list: 88 + 60 = 148 FSJ list: 69 + 82 = 152 later, john '67 Jeep J-100 Panel - not for long... :( '83 Jeep J10 Stepside - getting '96 xj 4.0L HO driveline... :) '87 Jeep Cherokee Laredo - until the J10 is done '99 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited - "hers" http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:45:00 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site for Krusty. ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #583 *********************************