From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #598 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, July 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 598 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: who tries??? conversions... Re: conversions... Re: 5 cyl ?'s listmom auxillary action... RE: who tries??? RE: who tries??? System Administrator Appreciation Day - Friday July 27, 2001 (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:10:40 -0700 From: john Subject: who tries??? someone on the Diesel-Benz list said: :) >an elaborately engineered (we try to avoid the term "Rube Goldberg") system who tries? ;) I think it explains the vacuum operated systems quite well. :) At least GM and Ford used a hydroboost setup for the brakes on their Diesels... Rube Goldberg... him and Murphy... (y'all know about Murphy's law, right?) Usually Murphy is over helping Full Size Jeep folks... :) Trying to dodge Murphy's visit took extraordinary effort. :) I'd wait until I saw a post on the FSj list that someone was having trouble, then I'd answer, making Murphy think I wasn't working on something, then run out and fix my rig... ;) john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:17:30 -0700 From: john Subject: conversions... >From: luke >Subject: 5 cyl ?'s >hello kind and gentle listfolk, >i am new here and have some special projects in mind. >i am working on a couple conversions and am here seeking expertise, >direction and some other stuff probably. >the first thing i have been mulling over is an om617 to GM manual trans. >conversion. >before you start throwing things let me explain. >the mercedes om 617 is in use in central and south america for use in toyota >landcruiser bandierante trucks, basically a new version of the classic >landcruisers. >here in the states a common conversion is to use the super low gear GM 4 >speeds - sm420 and sm465 behind the stock landcruiser inline sixes. > >lancruiser folks, and the 4 wheel drive community in general have a special >place in their hearts for diesel engines. for me, the ultimate conversion >for a cruiser would be the virtually indestructible 5 cyl turbodiesel om >617. great mileage, plenty of power and torque and dimensions will fit the >engine bay nicely. > >has anyone ever heard of such a conversion? > >other conversions that may be of interest? I think a 5 cylinder MB Turbo Diesel would be an excellent choice for almost any light to medium duty 4x4. I wouldn't want to tow with one, but would suspect it would work well even in a Full Size Jeep. I'm dropping a 4.0L six cylinder from a '96 Cherokee into my FSJ '83 J10. It currently has a 258 i-6. A 5 cylinder Turbo Diesel would have worked as well, but fuel prices and emissions made it more trouble than worth... One of the guys in Sweden sent me pictures of a 240D engine dropped into a Full Size Jeep with a Volvo Turbo attached: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Swedish-FSJs/ second picture down is the 240 engine in a big Jeep. The 3.0L 5 cyl TD would be an awesome engine for an XJ cherokee as well. I had an '85 xj with the 2.1L I-4 TD, renault... it did fine so I know a bigger MB engine would do superbly... cool stuff... john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:45:38 -0700 From: luke Subject: Re: conversions... john, thanks for the pictures. wondering what trans he is using. is the merc clutch for the 4 speed a strong unit? we didn't get many 4 speeds here so i think it would probably be a bad idea to use the benz clutch in a conversion. cost, availability and strength make the GM unit the obvious choice. i have a 5 cyl in my garage next to a GM bellhousing and 4 speed. i think it can be done relatively easily. still trying to get information on what transmissions the south americans are using behind the om617 in the new bandeirantes. thanks again, - -luke > From: john > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:17:30 -0700 > To: (Recipient list suppressed) > Subject: conversions... > > > I think a 5 cylinder MB Turbo Diesel would be an excellent choice > for almost any light to medium duty 4x4. I wouldn't want to tow with > one, but would suspect it would work well even in a Full Size Jeep. > > I'm dropping a 4.0L six cylinder from a '96 Cherokee into my FSJ '83 J10. > It currently has a 258 i-6. A 5 cylinder Turbo Diesel would have worked > as well, but fuel prices and emissions made it more trouble than worth... > > One of the guys in Sweden sent me pictures of a 240D engine dropped > into a Full Size Jeep with a Volvo Turbo attached: > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Swedish-FSJs/ > second picture down is the 240 engine in a big Jeep. > > The 3.0L 5 cyl TD would be an awesome engine for an XJ cherokee as > well. I had an '85 xj with the 2.1L I-4 TD, renault... it did fine so I know > a bigger MB engine would do superbly... > > cool stuff... > > john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:43 -0700 From: derickam-at-speakeasy.net Subject: Re: 5 cyl ?'s I drool at the thought of owning one of these cars. When I find the right one I will have one. Derick 85 190d 72 220d >my last diesel was an 84 300td wagon. > i sold it several years ago and i'm still very sad. > the new owner, a friend of mine still taunts me. 'the best car i've ever > owned' he says. > bastard. > > thanks for listening. > -luke > > '66 230 fintail "coco" > '80 300sd "bigbrown" > > assorted landcruisers and one rover > all of which could one day have a benz dieselmotor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:27:06 -0700 From: john Subject: listmom auxillary action... just a quick note on the current virus activity, it's called SirCam. It has a variety of forms. Here's details: http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99141 This is one reason why we don't allow attachments on this list. :) email me off list for details on how to deal with it... Please don't post any more info or details to the lists on it. Thanx to those that did. This is serious, but some folks get annoyed by off-topic posts... (I know, I know, I'm the worst offender... rofl... :) john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:56:10 -0700 From: ccordova-at-avaya.com Subject: RE: who tries??? >someone on the Diesel-Benz list said: :) >>an elaborately engineered (we try to avoid the term "Rube Goldberg") system > >who tries? ;) I'm the someone, John. I got the impression the original poster was a bit of a newbie on this list, so I *tried* to encourage good behavior. ;-) Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:48:24 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: who tries??? At 05:56 AM 7/25/01 -0700, ccordova-at-avaya.com wrote: > >someone on the Diesel-Benz list said: :) > >>an elaborately engineered (we try to avoid the term "Rube Goldberg") >system > >>who tries? ;) > >I'm the someone, John. I got the impression the original poster was a bit of >a newbie on this list, so I *tried* to encourage good behavior. ;-) >Alec :) you must have figured that since I sold my benz that I wouldn't come back to remind you all of the Rube Goldberg systems? :) john - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: System Administrator Appreciation Day - Friday July 27, 2001 (fwd) Once again, the annual event is here! This Friday is System Administrator Appreciation Day!!! http://www.sysadminday.com/ Friday, July 27th, 2001, is System Administrator Appreciation Day. On this special international day, give your System Administrator something that shows that you truly appreciate their hard work and dedication. Let's face it, System Administrators get no respect 364 days a year. This is the day that all fellow System Administrators across the globe, will be showered with expensive sports cars (or Jeeps!) and large piles of cash in appreciation of their diligent work. But seriously, we are asking for a nice token gift and some public acknowledgement. It's the least you could do. Consider all the daunting tasks and long hours (weekends too.) Let's be honest, sometimes we don't know our System Administrators as well as they know us. Remember this is one day to recognize your System Administrator for their workplace contributions and to promote professional excellence. Thank them for all the things they do for you and your business. see web site above for Gift Ideas :) john http://wagoneers.com/UNIX (HP-UX, Solaris, Linux, AIX, Irix, Ultrix... and so on... ;) ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #598 *********************************