From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #608 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, August 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 608 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Timing belt/chain RE: Timing belt/chain RE: Timing belt/chain administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:08:40 EDT From: FDavid1063-at-aol.com Subject: Timing belt/chain A fellow 83 300D turbo diesel owner told me the other day that he lost his engine when the timing chain (or belt, now I don't recall which) broke. He recommends having mine replaced before I hit 150,000 miles. I'm at 138,000 now. Anyone have any suggestions or knowledge about this? David '83 300D Turbo Diesel "The Ponymobile" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:52 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Straut" Subject: RE: Timing belt/chain Here are a few links that may help you. Information on what else you should replace when you do the chain: http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?s=64051a4ac6efee4fb3b1 2921c9d0a76e&threadid=21458&highlight=timing+chain Interesting info regarding the longevity of the timing chains in MB diesels: http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?s=64051a4ac6efee4fb3b1 2921c9d0a76e&threadid=19200&highlight=timing+chain How to measure timing chain stretch to determine if replacement is necessary: http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?threadid=6813 Replacing the chain will require a special crimping tool, more info here: http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?s=64051a4ac6efee4fb3b1 2921c9d0a76e&threadid=13327&highlight=timing+chain Chris '85 300D, 94k - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of FDavid1063-at-aol.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 5:09 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Timing belt/chain A fellow 83 300D turbo diesel owner told me the other day that he lost his engine when the timing chain (or belt, now I don't recall which) broke. He recommends having mine replaced before I hit 150,000 miles. I'm at 138,000 now. Anyone have any suggestions or knowledge about this? David '83 300D Turbo Diesel "The Ponymobile" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:28:27 -0700 From: ccordova-at-avaya.com Subject: RE: Timing belt/chain I don't think there is an official mileage-based recommendation, but it would probably be wise to start planning and budgeting for this. It is most definitely a chain. I don't know if any Benz has used just a wimpy belt for timing. Most of the time, it's a double-row chain. They tried a single-row chain on early 380 SL's (mid to late 1970's), but they didn't hold up as well, and when those single-row chains are replaced, the official recommendation is to replace them with a double-row setup. One way to judge your chain is to check it for stretching. This can easily and cheaply be done the next time you adjust your valves. Remember that valve adjustment should be done every 15,000 miles. With the valve cover off, checking for stretch is simply a matter of lining up timing marks on the front of the crank and the timing marks on the front of the cam. Or something like that. If you do it yourself, please get some documentation. If the chain breaks, your motor will most likely eat itself. On the other hand, if your chain is stretched less than, I think, 5 degrees, it's not likely to slap itself around and break. My 85 300DT had about 200,000 miles when I sold it, and it still had the original timing chain (as well as the original alternator), but I probably would have replaced the chain if I had kept the car much longer. Use good oil, and adjust your valves regularly. Happy Benzing, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 95 C280 89 300CE - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of FDavid1063-at-aol.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:09 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Timing belt/chain A fellow 83 300D turbo diesel owner told me the other day that he lost his engine when the timing chain (or belt, now I don't recall which) broke. He recommends having mine replaced before I hit 150,000 miles. I'm at 138,000 now. Anyone have any suggestions or knowledge about this? David '83 300D Turbo Diesel "The Ponymobile" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:45:01 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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