From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #683 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, December 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 683 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Bad Fuel Update! (fwd) Re: Bad Fuel Update! thinning Diesel in cold areas RE: thinning Diesel in cold areas RE: thinning Diesel in cold areas Re: thinning Diesel in cold areas Bad Fuel and Noisy Pump Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:2:37 -0800 From: "Dan Jacobs" Subject: Re: Bad Fuel Update! (fwd) Please folks, don't use gasoline as a diesel fuel additives unless there are _no_ other alternatives. It is too risky. I know there will be someone that will say "I've done that for years and never had a problem." There really is something called luck, and skill/knowledge for the lucky few left that never have a problem. If you buy your anti-gel/water dispersing/fuel treatment additives by the case and carry it in your trunk, well, that means never having to say your sorry ;-) Again, you've been warned. Have a nice day (?) > [Original Message] > From: Vernon Tuck > To: Mercedes e-mail help ; Kay Gheen > Date: 12/11/2001 11:50:00 AM > Subject: Re: Bad Fuel Update! (fwd) > > My Volksie owners manual says you can use gasoline to winterize diesel. > Don't remember the proportions though. > > Also, any gasoline added makes the fuel as explosive as gasoline. > > You have been warned. > > VT Diesel Dan http://Die ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Stegmann Subject: Re: Bad Fuel Update! - --- Matthew and Kristl Kirk wrote: > I finally found a decent winter fuel additive, its > made in Belgium by a > company called 'Wynns'. I put it in yesterday and > drove for half an hour. > Today Matt, I didn't know Wynns was from Belgium. Wynns products have been sold in the US for at least 50 years. Don't ask how I know that. Steve Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:01:15 -0800 From: john Subject: thinning Diesel in cold areas 1 gallon of gasoline to 20 gallons of Diesel or as mentioned a 50/50 mix of kerosene... lubricity is a concern, the pump uses the fuel to lubricate itself. gasoline burns much faster than diesel and can melt holes in the piston... Diesel burns slower and distributes the heat across a greater area. Gasoline rapidly burns and concentrates the heat near the place where it started to burn creating a hot spot and potentially causing damage. in multifuel engines they adjust the compression, I might have my old army driving manual around here... I did find my old army truck driver's license... ;) john >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:50:00 -0600 >From: "Vernon Tuck" >Subject: Re: Bad Fuel Update! (fwd) >My Volksie owners manual says you can use gasoline to winterize diesel. >Don't remember the proportions though. >Also, any gasoline added makes the fuel as explosive as gasoline. >You have been warned. >VT - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 2:30:11 -0800 From: "Dan Jacobs" Subject: RE: thinning Diesel in cold areas You may not even need a 50/50 mix. Maybe only as much as 70/30. Remember, if you buy fuel in cold areas, the fuel is very likely to already be treated so it will pump out of the ground, and if you buy fuel from a station that goes through a lot of diesel (large truck stops and cardlock stations on or near very busy interstate highways or other highways, you are running a very small risk of getting bad or water contaminated fuel. Modern diesel reportedly _begins_ to cloud (the very begining of gelling) around 20 deg. F (6 deg. C), although I should report that if I had bought fuel in the area in or near the very cold weather, I have never (knock on wood) had any problems. > [Original Message] > From: john > To: > Date: 12/11/2001 10:01:15 PM > Subject: thinning Diesel in cold areas > > 1 gallon of gasoline to 20 gallons of Diesel > or as mentioned a 50/50 mix of kerosene... > > lubricity is a concern, the pump uses the fuel to > lubricate itself. gasoline burns much faster than > diesel and can melt holes in the piston... Diesel > burns slower and distributes the heat across a greater > area. Gasoline rapidly burns and concentrates the > heat near the place where it started to burn creating > a hot spot and potentially causing damage. > > in multifuel engines they adjust the compression, I might > have my old army driving manual around here... I did find > my old army truck driver's license... ;) > > john > > >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:50:00 -0600 > >From: "Vernon Tuck" > >Subject: Re: Bad Fuel Update! (fwd) > >My Volksie owners manual says you can use gasoline to winterize diesel. > >Don't remember the proportions though. > >Also, any gasoline added makes the fuel as explosive as gasoline. > >You have been warned. > >VT > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------- Diesel Dan http://DieselDan.net If you can start the day without caffeine or pep pills, If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains, If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles, if you can eat the same food everyday and be grateful for it, if you can understand when loved ones are too busy to give you time, If you can overlook when people take things out on you when, through no fault of yours, something goes wrong, If you can take criticism and blame without resentment, If you can face the world without lies and deceit, If you can conquer tension without medical help, If you can relax without liquor, if you can sleep without the aid of drugs, If you can do a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:48:20 -0500 From: "Menefee, Dennis" Subject: RE: thinning Diesel in cold areas Well guys, since he was able to buy Wynn's in Bulgaria and it worked, there's no reason on this Earth that anyone in N America or Europe should ever need to resort to gas. Is lack of foresight or poor planning a good reason? Not if you're old enough to vote. Dennis M. 78 240D 92 300D 2.5 Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:50:03 -0600 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: thinning Diesel in cold areas Of course, y'all could just move to Texas, where in the winter time it's merely hot. VT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:43:20 +0200 From: "Matthew and Kristl Kirk" Subject: Bad Fuel and Noisy Pump Thanks to everyone who sent info about fuel additives. I found one from Belgium called "Wynn's Diesel Winter Additive". It now starts on these cold mornings. Thanks also to all who sent about my noisy power steering pump. Yesterday I drained the oil from the pump reservoir and cleaned it out. One good guy on the digest mentioned a filter inside the reservoir. In the bottom of the reservoir was round metal disc which I unscrewed and there was a nicely blocked filter. I cleaned it with a degreaser and replaced it, topped up with new oil and wow, no noise!!!! I'll get a new filter ordered and fully flush out the old oil and replace it with some good stuff. Thanks for a great digest. Matt MB 100 ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #683 *********************************