From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #732 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 25 2002 Volume 01 : Number 732 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Success! Re: east coast adventure coming up Re: Success! Re: Success! Re: east coast adventure coming up Re: east coast adventure coming up Success: Brush replacement on Heater Blower Re: Success! Re: Success! RE: Success: Brush replacement on Heater Blower 77 300D Fuel Leak Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:29:15 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: Success! Mike asked: > She's still getting a bit warm. She sits at 80, then jumps very > quickly to almost 100, then gradually cools back to 80 again. Any > ideas? I just did the cooling system dance with my newly acquired '84 300SD (W126 body). At one point I had the same problem. I couldn't tell if the temperature had actually jumped to 100c or not and didn't wait to find out. When the gauge shot up, I'd press the defrost button, which turned the heat full on, and the needle would come back to about 80c. My mechanic said it was probably bad connections between the sending unit and the gauge. One of our list members says he slaps the dash when the gauge shoots up and the needle returns to normal. If so, clean the connections. You mentioned your 300TD runs at 80c. My 240D was the same, but this 300SD sits at 90c when fully warmed up. A friend of mine has an '80 300SD and an '83 300TD. Both of his run at 90c. My mechanic says this is normal and by the book. It sounds like you have a thermostat that opens at a lower temperature than the factory installed one. Here's some food for thought. In the last two weeks I have had the thermostat, water pump, radiator cap and radiator replaced on my 300SD. The thermostat was done first because the car warmed up to only 60-70c when the ambient temperature was 60-70f. The thermostat wasn't closing. When is got below freezing here in Texas (it does that, really...) the engine temperature dropped to barely 40c! My mileage was around 24-25. With the new thermostat, the engine ran at 90c when fully warmed up. My mileage went to 27-28 mpg. I was happy...for the better part of a week. A week ago, Friday, I left the office to go home at 0600, after a 13 hour day, and was greeted by antifreeze coming out from under the car. With the car now running at the proper temperature, the water pump had given up the ghost and was weeping profusely. That was replaced this last Tuesday during a raging rainstorm (it does that here, too. Really....). At that time, Dennis (my mechanic) noticed that the upper radiator neck was broken. The reasons for a broken neck on the radiator are a different story... He buttoned up the system and told me to watch the temperature gauge for signs of the upper hose popping off. I brought the car back to him the next day and left it so he could send the radiator out to be rebuilt ($110 vs. ~300 for a new one). On the way to work Tuesday afternoon and on the way home, the temp gauge spiked to 100c. Running the defroster brought it back down to 80c and it returned to the normal 90c when the EC button was pressed. After he installed the rebuilt radiator, put on a new radiator cap and cleaned the temperature sensor connections, everything is fine. It's running at 90c with no spikes. I haven't driven it enough to check the mileage, but I expect it to be 26-28. I'd say that cleaning the temp sensor connections on your TD should fix the spiking problem. I think your TD should be running at 90c, but wouldn't worry about it being 80c. Jon '84 300SD 133,200 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:00:18 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: east coast adventure coming up I live about 12 miles east of Kittanning, near Rural Valley. Mike Aimino On 23 Mar 02, at 22:17, john meister wrote: > I fly out of Seattle Friday night (3/29). > Arrive in Newark, NJ Sat am > and head west to Mt. Pocono something or another. > Will be teaching a Solaris class there for two weeks. Will try to > stay connected via email. Any one on the list there? > > Have camera, will travel... ;) I may try to visit an old friend in > Kittinaning, it's about a 6 hr drive west of where I'll be... > something to do on the weekend in between I guess. > > john > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:38:26 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: Success! Hi Jon. Thank you for the good info. Diesel Dan also suggested a flush-n-fill, so I'm going to do that. I put a new sending unit in a few months ago. I'm going to keep an eye on it and see what happenes. I'll try slapping the dash on the way to church today - that'll give the kids something to wonder about. :o) Mike Aimino On 24 Mar 02, at 0:29, Jon Filina wrote: > Mike asked: > > > > She's still getting a bit warm. She sits at 80, then jumps very > > quickly to almost 100, then gradually cools back to 80 again. Any > > ideas? > > > I just did the cooling system dance with my newly acquired '84 300SD > (W126 body). At one point I had the same problem. I couldn't tell if > the temperature had actually jumped to 100c or not and didn't wait to > find out. When the gauge shot up, I'd press the defrost button, which > turned the heat full on, and the needle would come back to about 80c. > My mechanic said it was probably bad connections between the sending > unit and the gauge. One of our list members says he slaps the dash > when the gauge shoots up and the needle returns to normal. If so, > clean the connections. > > You mentioned your 300TD runs at 80c. My 240D was the same, but this > 300SD sits at 90c when fully warmed up. A friend of mine has an '80 > 300SD and an '83 300TD. Both of his run at 90c. My mechanic says > this is normal and by the book. It sounds like you have a thermostat > that opens at a lower temperature than the factory installed one. > > Here's some food for thought. In the last two weeks I have had the > thermostat, water pump, radiator cap and radiator replaced on my > 300SD. > The thermostat was done first because the car warmed up to only > 60-70c > when the ambient temperature was 60-70f. The thermostat wasn't > closing. > When is got below freezing here in Texas (it does that, really...) > the > engine temperature dropped to barely 40c! My mileage was around > 24-25. > > With the new thermostat, the engine ran at 90c when fully warmed up. > My mileage went to 27-28 mpg. I was happy...for the better part of a > week. > A week ago, Friday, I left the office to go home at 0600, after a 13 > > hour day, and was greeted by antifreeze coming out from under the car. > With the car now running at the proper temperature, the water pump had > given up the ghost and was weeping profusely. > > That was replaced this last Tuesday during a raging rainstorm (it does > that here, too. Really....). At that time, Dennis (my mechanic) > noticed that the upper radiator neck was broken. The reasons for a > broken neck on the radiator are a different story... He buttoned up > the system and told me to watch the temperature gauge for signs of the > upper hose popping off. I brought the car back to him the next day > and left it so he could send the radiator out to be rebuilt ($110 vs. > ~300 for a new one). On the way to work Tuesday afternoon and on the > way home, the temp gauge spiked to 100c. Running the defroster > brought it back down to 80c and it returned to the normal 90c when the > EC button was pressed. > > After he installed the rebuilt radiator, put on a new radiator cap and > cleaned the temperature sensor connections, everything is fine. It's > running at 90c with no spikes. I haven't driven it enough to check > the mileage, but I expect it to be 26-28. > > I'd say that cleaning the temp sensor connections on your TD should > fix the spiking problem. I think your TD should be running at 90c, > but wouldn't worry about it being 80c. > > Jon > '84 300SD 133,200 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:13:28 -0800 From: "Dan J." Subject: Re: Success! At 09:38 AM 3/24/2002 -0500, Michael Aimino wrote: >I'll try slapping the dash on the way to church today - that'll give >the kids something to wonder about. :o) > >Mike Aimino Make sure to curse at the car a lot, especially if you can do it like the father does in "A Christmas Story" when the furnace clunks out. Your family will _love_ it! Especially on the way to church! Helping, Diesel Dan http://dieseldan.net AIM screen name: dieseldanotr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:21:27 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: east coast adventure coming up NJ is a strange place... parts remind me of Wisconsin, other parts, well... you're right about the sign... ;) john On 3/24/02 2:07 PM, "Dan J." wrote: > At 10:17 PM 3/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: >> I fly out of Seattle Friday night (3/29). >> Arrive in Newark, NJ Sat am >> john > > Someone asked me the other day what the best thing about NJ is. > "They sign that says 'Thank you for visiting New Jersey. Come back soon!'" > Except for the parts where fellow listers live. I'm sure those parts are > bee-oo-T-fool! > (sheesh. I can't even fool myself with that one) > > Diesel Dan > http://dieseldan.net > AIM screen name: dieseldanotr > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:32:25 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: east coast adventure coming up Dan: I think it's significant that on tunnels and bridges in and out of New Jersey, they only charge tolls in the outbound direction. Mike Frank At 05:21 PM 3/24/02, john meister wrote: > > Someone asked me the other day what the best thing about NJ is. > > "They sign that says 'Thank you for visiting New Jersey. Come back soon!'" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:35:55 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Success: Brush replacement on Heater Blower Hi: The heater blower on my 84 300D Turbodiesel quit about 3 weeks ago. I ordered some brushes from George Murphy. I finally had a chance to replace them today. The fan came out real easily. A thin-wall 8mm socket would have helped there, but an open end wrench worked ok. The lead on the old brushes is a braid, stranded copper on the new. I would have soldered them together if they had both been strand, but couldn't mate the braid to the strand. I used a crimp connector on the first, seemed strong enough. The second braid was too short to work with, so I desoldered the connection, tinned the new strand then pushed it into the connector while holding the soldering gun to the connector. I then reheated the connector and added some fresh solder to ensure I didn't have a cold-solder joint. Eureka! The heater works better than ever. Thank you George. Greg in Vancouver USA 84 300D Turbodiesel 79 300TD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:00:24 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: Success! There was a time I would have sworn at it like a sailor, but those days are gone. I slapped the dash a few good ones, but no luck. My wife thought I was choking on something and trying to get her attention. My 7 year old said, "Why is daddy mad at the car again?" You know, you just can't have this kind of fun with a brand new car... On 24 Mar 02, at 14:13, Dan J. wrote: > At 09:38 AM 3/24/2002 -0500, Michael Aimino wrote: > >I'll try slapping the dash on the way to church today - that'll give > >the kids something to wonder about. :o) > > > >Mike Aimino > Make sure to curse at the car a lot, especially if you can do it like > the father does in "A Christmas Story" when the furnace clunks out. > Your family will _love_ it! Especially on the way to church! > > Helping, > Diesel Dan > http://dieseldan.net > AIM screen name: dieseldanotr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:29:40 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: Success! Mike, > There was a time I would have sworn at it like a sailor, but those > days are gone. That doesn't do any good with our MB's. Save the sailor expletives for your computer. Better yet, a few Marine Corps expletives have been known to work wonders with a PC! > I slapped the dash a few good ones, but no luck. My > wife thought I was choking on something and trying to get her > attention. My 7 year old said, "Why is daddy mad at the car again?" Check your connections at the sending unit. If they're ok, a thorough flush is in order. Dennis, my mechanic, said he flushed Bruno for about an hour until the water leaving the car was clear. The radiator was out of the car at the time, being rebuilt, so I know my system is clean. I'd also look at the thermostat. If it's the proper one for the car, it's opening too soon. However, after 30 years of marriage, I can tell you that the "grouchy dad" routine does wonders in maintaining the "Dad is the boss" department. All of us husbands know who the boss is, we just don't want her to know we know.... ;-) When it comes to the kids, a little reinforcement of "Just wait til you Father gets home" goes a long way... ;-0 > You know, you just can't have this kind of fun with a brand new car... Who wants a brand new car? They're too complicated! Give me an old diesel any day and I'm happy. In the not too distant future, we'll have diesels with computer controlled valves and no timing chain. What are we going to worry about then? They're taking all the fun out of it, I tell ya! Jon '84 300SD 132,250 mi. "Bruno" A dinosaur and proud of it! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:08:08 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Success: Brush replacement on Heater Blower Congrats on a job well done, Greg. Sigh. I can only dream fondly of how simple that repair was on my 85 300D. The blower motor on my 89 300CE is dead, but extraction and replacement is at least a 3 hour job, with plenty of opportunities to break assorted little plastic parts along the way. There are times I miss the simple and extraordinary mechanical engineering of my W123 diesel, as opposed to the electrical engineering marvel that looks better and goes faster. But then I go faster and forget my regrets. ;-) Not sure I'm quite looking forward to getting a 2003 SL in ten or twenty years (when the price comes down to my budget). They've now gone past drive-by-wire accellerators to drive-by-wire brakes. More effective when working, but sweet Jiminy, I wouldn't want to fight dying electricals in one of those. Alec > -----Original Message----- > Hi: > > The heater blower on my 84 300D Turbodiesel quit about 3 weeks ago. I > ordered some brushes from George Murphy. I finally had a chance > to replace > them today. The fan came out real easily. A thin-wall 8mm socket would > have helped there, but an open end wrench worked ok. The lead on the old > brushes is a braid, stranded copper on the new. I would have > soldered them > together if they had both been strand, but couldn't mate the braid to the > strand. I used a crimp connector on the first, seemed strong > enough. The > second braid was too short to work with, so I desoldered the connection, > tinned the new strand then pushed it into the connector while holding the > soldering gun to the connector. I then reheated the connector and added > some fresh solder to ensure I didn't have a cold-solder joint. > > Eureka! The heater works better than ever. > > Thank you George. > > Greg in Vancouver USA > > 84 300D Turbodiesel > 79 300TD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:33:23 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Welty Subject: 77 300D Fuel Leak the 77 is at it again. this time, it's leaking fuel at #5 cylinder. the haynes book doesn't even describe the involved fuel lines. not being a diesel expert, i'm guessing, but there is a chain of fabric covered fuel lines running along the injectors, which look to me to be analogous to the cold start circuit in a gas powered vehicle. on #5 cylinder, at the very end of the chain, there is one lonely fitting which looks like it is supposed to have some sort of plug sealing it, but there isn't one, which is where the leak is coming from. what are the requirements for this? what is the name of the part, so i can try and get a hold of one? thanks in advance, richard - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #732 *********************************