From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #733 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 25 2002 Volume 01 : Number 733 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: 77 300D Fuel Leak Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #729 Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #729 Operating Temps - Was Success! Sluggish on a quarter tank WAS Re: Operating Temps - Was Success! loss of power, 1985 300D Turbo Re: loss of power, 1985 300D Turbo Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:45:36 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: 77 300D Fuel Leak Yup. It's that fabric-covered line that's leaking. Best bet is to get one meter of the stuff from the dealer. That should be enough to replace all the lines. Cheap and fairly easy. Like all German rubber parts, they deteriorate over time. Not sure if a 77 is very different from my 80 or 85 W123 diesels, but mine had a slight bulge in the metal coming off the injectors. I have had to carefully cut the old lines off the metal parts before, but it's easy enough to keep from damaging anything important. For the end of the line, they do have a short bit with a plug built in. I have also used a screw and a small hose clamp on unplugged line. But hey. It's just diesel. It's not like it's going to spontaneously burst into flames. ;-) Alec > the 77 is at it again. this time, it's leaking fuel at #5 cylinder. > > the haynes book doesn't even describe the involved fuel lines. not being a > diesel expert, i'm guessing, but there is a chain of fabric covered fuel > lines running along the injectors, which look to me to be analogous to the > cold start circuit in a gas powered vehicle. > > on #5 cylinder, at the very end of the chain, there is one lonely fitting > which looks like it is supposed to have some sort of plug sealing it, but > there isn't one, which is where the leak is coming from. > > what are the requirements for this? what is the name of the part, so i can > try and get a hold of one? > > thanks in advance, > richard > -- > Richard Welty > rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking > rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security > rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:12:17 -0500 From: "jay miller" Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #729 Great Job, Jan! Thoroughly enjoyed the photos. I'm sorry you're not at the Erie (PA) YC Jay Miller < coalhill-at-hotmail.com > >From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) >Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net >Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #729 >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:30:26 - -0500 > >diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, March 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 729 > > > >Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles > Derick Amburgey > Digest Coordinator > >Contents: > > Midwest listfest ..... first photos !!! > exhaust, alternator ajduster hints, anyone? > Re: Midwest listfest ..... first photos !!! > More listfest photos ..... > Re: More listfest photos ..... > Re: More listfest photos ..... > FYI: MB diesels come up in the USA > Re: Steering! > more detailed: new diesel MBs > Listfest - last photo and my take on the listfest ..... > >Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ > >Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net > >Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net > >To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of >the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address >than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a >message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo >commands. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:58:23 -0600 >From: Jan Guthrie >Subject: Midwest listfest ..... first photos !!! > >Just released, the first photos from last weekend's Midwest/Chicagoland >listfest. > >These are the digital photos, because they were the easiest.... I will >scan some of the "regular" photos and upload more.... > >Please feel free to send me any corrections to misidentification of cars >or people ... > >http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos.htm > >And those of you who took photos, if you could send me copies to add to >the page, I would appreciate it. >- -- > >$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: > >Jan >Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage >jan-at-buy-a-boat.com >262-553-1998 >http://www.buy-a-boat.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:14:40 -0500 (EST) >From: Richard Welty >Subject: exhaust, alternator ajduster hints, anyone? > >the new exhaust and adjuster bolt for the alternator for the 1977 300D >should be arriving any day now. anyone have any hints on these jobs, things >i need to know _before_ i get in too deep? > >thanks in advance, > richard >- -- >Richard Welty >rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking >rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security >rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:39:53 -0600 >From: Jim & Barb Hoffman >Subject: Re: Midwest listfest ..... first photos !!! > >Hi All! > > I just wanted to publicly thank Jan Guthrie for organizing >a splendid Saturday event! Lot's of Mercedes' conversations >and a few other makes as well. It was very nice to put some >faces with some names and meet new people from various >parts of the Midwest. I had a great time and am looking >forward to a summer event as it was a little chilly there by the >lake ;) By making that statement I probably volunteered >myself for the task right? ;) > >Thanks again Jan!! > >Jim/ > >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'83 240D > > >P.S. Someone please forward this on to the other lists. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:12:04 -0600 >From: Jan Guthrie >Subject: More listfest photos ..... > >Just put up a second page of photos. ........ >http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos.htm >http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos2.htm > >Again please let me know if there are any corrections on names or >cars..... > >- -- > >$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: > >Jan >Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage >jan-at-buy-a-boat.com >262-553-1998 >http://www.buy-a-boat.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:00:13 -0600 >From: Jon Filina >Subject: Re: More listfest photos ..... > >Jan Guthrie wrote: > > > Just put up a second page of photos. ........ > > http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos.htm > > http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos2.htm > > >Looks like y'all had a lot of fun. > >Jim, I thought you'd taken a shotgun to your 240D. Did you have second >thoughts??? > >Jon >'84 300SD "Bruno" > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:20:05 -0600 >From: Jim & Barb Hoffman >Subject: Re: More listfest photos ..... > >Jon, > > I was contemplating it, trust me... But cooler heads >prevailed and now that the alternator is functioning >correctly I'm thinking of doing the rest of the minor >repairs and continue to drive it. > >Jim/ > >Jon Filina wrote: > > > Jan Guthrie wrote: > > > > > Just put up a second page of photos. ........ > > > http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos.htm > > > http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos2.htm > > > > Looks like y'all had a lot of fun. > > > > Jim, I thought you'd taken a shotgun to your 240D. Did you have second > > thoughts??? > > > > Jon > > '84 300SD "Bruno" > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:12:53 +0100 >From: "Andreas Kreft" >Subject: FYI: MB diesels come up in the USA > >as i read today in the FAZ, a german newspaper, MB plans to introduce the W211 >E 270 >CDI (http://www.mercedes.com/e/cars/e-class/e270cdi.htm) on the US market in >the >next time. if this model is sold in big numbers, MB wants to offer other >diesels overseas. >good news, aren4t they? :-> > >akreft > > / \ >Oo=*=oO E 270 CDI T > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:55:47 +0200 >From: "Matthew and Kristl Kirk" >Subject: Re: Steering! > >Great advice, I went out and climbed under to look for the adjuster screw and >lock-nut, I don't think I had to turn it more than a quarter turn. It now >steers good, and free play is way down to just over 1 inch. > >Is there any oil/grease in the steering box, not the power steering, how can I >change it? > >Matt >MB 100. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:39:00 +0100 >From: "Andreas Kreft" >Subject: more detailed: new diesel MBs > >i tried to translate the little note in the FAZ, but be aware of my english! > >Mercedes-Benz will offer the new E class sedan with a diesel engine in the >United >States. Until the early 904s MB offered diesel engines in previous models of >the E and S >class. At first only the introduction of the E 270 CDI is planned. If a big >demand for >diesel engines would be recognized, MB would enlarge the choice of diesel cars >and >also offer the ML and S class with common-rail diesels. The company plans to >increase >its output of diesel engineered cars to 43% in this year. > >akreft > > / \ >Oo=*=oO E 270 CDI T > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:27:18 -0600 >From: Jan Guthrie >Subject: Listfest - last photo and my take on the listfest ..... > >It was a great day. Never underestimate what a girl will go through to >get her valves adjusted. > >It was actually easy because all of the pieces fell into place and >because Terry Kiwala and Dan Gordon were there whenever needed with >ideas and support. And this whole thing really started when Dan >volunteered months ago to help a couple of local listers adjust our >valves. Thank you Dan. > >Terry took the autocross idea from (his) conception and ran with it. >All I did was find an (unnamed) suburban Police Department to loan us >the cones. Terry went and got them and then returned them after the >event. (I hope. ;^) ) Thank you Terry. > >Randy Durrance was an incredible help and made a special effort to come >down and help with the valve adjustment. We all learned the difference >between a DIYer and a true professional. It is so rare to have a >professional ready to help DIYers learn to do a job the *right* way. >Thank you, Randy. > >Dave Strait drove down from Minnesota where they had more than a foot of >snow coming down, .... to share his Espar diesel heater with us. More >than one of us were fantasizing about waking up to a warm easy to start >car next winter . Thank you Dave. > >And of course, it would not have been *an event* if all of the listers >from at least 5 different Mercedes lists and at least 6 different >states, had not made the effort to drive some very long distances to >share the day.......... Peter Duryea (I think) holds the record coming >from Bugaha, NE, for the day. Thank you Peter and all....... > >Peter Duryea sent me the only group photo we really got of the event. I >have added everyone's names to the photo ... so here is all the listers >that had arrived at lunchtime. > >http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Mercedes_listfest_photos3.htm > >- -- > >Jan Guthrie and her 1985 300TD > >------------------------------ > >End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #729 >********************************* > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:26:33 -0600 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #729 Thanks Jay, We had a blast!!! You should do one at the ErieYC. It was so much fun. Jan and her 300TD and 300D (to be) jay miller wrote: > Great Job, Jan! Thoroughly enjoyed the photos. I'm sorry you're not at > the Erie (PA) YC > > Jay Miller < coalhill-at-hotmail.com > > > >From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) > >Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net > >Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #729 >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:30:26 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:13:18 -0600 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Operating Temps - Was Success! My silver 83 300 SD runs a little below 80* C. Car has 290,000 miles. One thing that does annoy me, the car gets sluggish when the fuel level is around 1/4 or less. It seems to go faster if I ease UP, on the throttle just a bit. I am thinking that the fuel tank may have a fair amount of trash after 290,00 miles. Car does not smoke(much) and seems to get 26-27 mpg. Best was 500 miles on a tank of fuel. When full(this morning) the car will go 85 mph or more. When less than 1/4, I am lucky to get to 70-75 mph. There is a small hill, on I-75(Dallas, Texas) that I go over on my way to work. Today I able to go 75-80 easy. When 1/4, or less, I will be slowing to 60-65 trying to get to the top - pedal mashed. Remember, this is North Texas(flat), this hill is probable a grade of 1 or 2 % max. Any ideas/thoughts? Waylon DFW, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Jon Filina [mailto:jfilina-at-surfbest.net] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:29 AM To: maimino-at-alltel.net Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Success! Mike asked: > She's still getting a bit warm. She sits at 80, then jumps very > quickly to almost 100, then gradually cools back to 80 again. Any > ideas? I just did the cooling system dance with my newly acquired '84 300SD (W126 body). At one point I had the same problem. I couldn't tell if the temperature had actually jumped to 100c or not and didn't wait to find out. When the gauge shot up, I'd press the defrost button, which turned the heat full on, and the needle would come back to about 80c. My mechanic said it was probably bad connections between the sending unit and the gauge. One of our list members says he slaps the dash when the gauge shoots up and the needle returns to normal. If so, clean the connections. You mentioned your 300TD runs at 80c. My 240D was the same, but this 300SD sits at 90c when fully warmed up. A friend of mine has an '80 300SD and an '83 300TD. Both of his run at 90c. My mechanic says this is normal and by the book. It sounds like you have a thermostat that opens at a lower temperature than the factory installed one. Here's some food for thought. In the last two weeks I have had the thermostat, water pump, radiator cap and radiator replaced on my 300SD. The thermostat was done first because the car warmed up to only 60-70c when the ambient temperature was 60-70f. The thermostat wasn't closing. When is got below freezing here in Texas (it does that, really...) the engine temperature dropped to barely 40c! My mileage was around 24-25. With the new thermostat, the engine ran at 90c when fully warmed up. My mileage went to 27-28 mpg. I was happy...for the better part of a week. A week ago, Friday, I left the office to go home at 0600, after a 13 hour day, and was greeted by antifreeze coming out from under the car. With the car now running at the proper temperature, the water pump had given up the ghost and was weeping profusely. That was replaced this last Tuesday during a raging rainstorm (it does that here, too. Really....). At that time, Dennis (my mechanic) noticed that the upper radiator neck was broken. The reasons for a broken neck on the radiator are a different story... He buttoned up the system and told me to watch the temperature gauge for signs of the upper hose popping off. I brought the car back to him the next day and left it so he could send the radiator out to be rebuilt ($110 vs. ~300 for a new one). On the way to work Tuesday afternoon and on the way home, the temp gauge spiked to 100c. Running the defroster brought it back down to 80c and it returned to the normal 90c when the EC button was pressed. After he installed the rebuilt radiator, put on a new radiator cap and cleaned the temperature sensor connections, everything is fine. It's running at 90c with no spikes. I haven't driven it enough to check the mileage, but I expect it to be 26-28. I'd say that cleaning the temp sensor connections on your TD should fix the spiking problem. I think your TD should be running at 90c, but wouldn't worry about it being 80c. Jon '84 300SD 133,200 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:31:21 -0800 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Sluggish on a quarter tank WAS Re: Operating Temps - Was Success! First off does this car know it is messing with a texan? ;) I think you may be correct, however for hoots and hollers I would replace the fuel filters first before I inspected the tank. That is quite the chore to pull that puppy down. At least it is on my cars. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector Mercedes Benz Club Of America Northwest: 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Welty Subject: loss of power, 1985 300D Turbo now for the other car... our 1985 Turbo Diesel has been woefully down on power for a couple of weeks. it is pretty much behaving like it has no turbo charger at all. since it'd been a while, i went ahead and did a valve adjustement (even though the change was sudden, and valve adjustment sluggishness seems to creep up on you.) some of the exhaust valves were pretty far out, and the car did gain some power back, but it still feels like it has no turbocharger at all. what are the chances that the wastegate has stuck open? are there any other things worth checking? thanks in advance, richard - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:30:20 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: loss of power, 1985 300D Turbo Check vacuum lines. In particular, there should be some going to a gadget (ALDA) on the injection pump. This system provides input to the injection pump so that it injects more fuel when the turbo is providing more air. If this isn't working, you can pump all the air you want in there, but there is no additional fuel to take advantage of it. There are also some slightly larger vacuum lines involved, as well as one of those banjo bolts the Germans love so much. The banjo bolt is known to develop clogging accumulations of crud. A thorough cleaning tends to help. I would start by looking for broken, disconnected, or cracked vacuum lines near the injection pump. Searching the archives for ALDA should be fruitful, including adjustments available to crank things up a notch. Alec > now for the other car... > > our 1985 Turbo Diesel has been woefully down on power for a couple of > weeks. it is pretty much behaving like it has no turbo charger at all. > > since it'd been a while, i went ahead and did a valve adjustement (even > though the change was sudden, and valve adjustment sluggishness seems to > creep up on you.) some of the exhaust valves were pretty far out, and > the car did gain some power back, but it still feels like it has no > turbocharger at all. > > what are the chances that the wastegate has stuck open? are there any other > things worth checking? > > thanks in advance, > richard ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #733 *********************************