From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #738 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, April 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 738 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Some question experiment Re: Some question Re: experiment What needs doing ? Part needed... Re: Part needed... 300td wagon sticky mist from the ductwork administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:30:47 GMT From: Rajeev Wijesinghe Subject: Some question Hi Everyone: As a newer member to the list, let me tell you that you guys have all been amazing to learn from. I'm 20 and two years ago, I bought my 1983 300SD-my first car. I learnt a harsh lesson not to drive it in the Canadian winters (lots of salt on the roads = lots of corrosion later). My questions are as follows: My power door locks don't work anymore, and my trunk is always in a "locked" position. Also, my tach doesn't work anymore, and my fuel gauge really plays tricks on me. When the tank is full, the gauge goes all over the place, back and fourth, back and fourth. When the tank is about half full, the needle just stays at the FULL level. I have had the car in storage in my garage for the past 5 months because of winter, and have been doing a bit of prep work on the body. Does anyone have any troubleshooting suggestions for the problems I've encountered, before I take it to the mechanic and spend big bucks?? If so, please let me know, Thanks everyone, Cheers, Rajeev Wijesinghe, MB 300 SD (W126) Made March 1983 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:51:55 -0500 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: experiment OK folks, off the wall question time. Suppoesing I put a head from a 617.95X engine on a 617.910. I.e. the turbo head on the non-turbo engine. I would be keeping it non-turbo of course. Interesting side effects: modern glow plugs higher lift and loger dwell on the camshaft, hence a better breathing engine? larger camshaft bearings Now, will the hotter cam produce any better performance? That could be intriguing. better mixing and combustion maybe. The reason I am asking is that I have access to a spare head and have not tinkered with this engine for a while. The glow plug conversion is something I am thinking about anyway (to Bosch Duraterm). Key similarities? inlet/exhaust gasket the same head gasket, are they the same? Timing chain and camshaft sprocket? Are they the same I know the injectors are. I know the water stuff is the same and cross fits (am already running a turbo thermostat housing on this non-turbo engine). That is about it. Valve cover would swap with head. Very interesting. Any thoughts? SDB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:50:35 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: Some question Thoughts: 1) You have a vacuum problem somewhere. Unfortunately, these aren't always easy to diagnose. One thing you can do is to remove the door panels one by one, and block off the vacuum motors by unplugging the tubes and stopping them with a nail, and seeing what happens to the other locks. If you're lucky, you'll find a bad vacuum motor and that will be that. Otherwise, you're going to have to invest in a workshop manual, and trace out each vacuum circuit with a Mityvac. 2) The gas tank problem is easier. The fuel senders get gummed up after a while, and need to be cleaned. I don't know for sure on a 300SD, but on the short wheelbase cars, you get to the sender unit by removing the first aid kit on the package shelf. It can be screwed out of the tank with a pair of channel locks, then let your eyes tell you where the problem is. Mike Frank At 12:30 PM 3/31/02, Rajeev Wijesinghe wrote: >My power door locks don't work anymore, and my trunk is >always in a "locked" position. >When the tank is about half >full, the needle just stays at the FULL level. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:53:25 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: experiment The only thing I'd say is to give some thought to valve clearance. While I don't know what the story is with these engines, on other engines I've worked with a high lift cam usually means reliefs on the pistons. Otherwise, it sounds good. Mike Frank At 12:51 PM 3/31/02, S.D.Byers wrote: >OK folks, off the wall question time. > >Now, will the hotter cam produce any better performance? That could be >intriguing. better mixing and combustion maybe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:01:57 -0400 From: Renaud OLGIATI Subject: What needs doing ? I have had (for the last two days) my new 1978 300D auto; 150.000 km (~100kMiles), one owner. Clean, no corrosion (no salt on roads here) My technical manuals are on the way from Amazon. I do not have access to the maintenance records of the car. Questions: - - What are the things I should look out for / make sure have been done in a car with that mileage ? - - The car seems very sluggish when accelerating from a stop; is that normal ? - - The car is fitted with what I'm told is a Racor fuel filter/separator, but this is not plumbed in (two pieces of rubber tue flapping loose). Should it be conected upstream of the furl pump, between the fuel pump and the replaceable-element fuel-filter, or between the replaceable-element fuel-filter and the injection pump ? (The second possibility seems the more logical to me, but I'd rather hear from someone who know, and be sure ;-) - - Should the fuel hoses between the fuel pump and the replaceable-element fuel-filter, and between the replaceable-element fuel-filter and the injection pump, are clear plastic, the others are fuel-grade rubber with textile braid cover. Should they all be the same ? TIA Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay. - -- Love is an ideal thing, marriage a real thing; a confusion of the real with the ideal never goes unpunished. -- Goethe --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati --- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:26:34 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Part needed... Hi folks... I replaced the muffler system from the engine pipe back (excluding the engine pipe) last fall. Day before yesterday the engine pipe broke right at the splice ;) While I'm replacing the engine pipe I'm going to adjust the valves too. While lubing up the throttle linkages as we learned at the list gathering I noticed a bushing that is very worn and causing a lot of "slop" in the throttle linkages. I've snapped a few photos and put a square around the bushing. Can anyone tell me what this part might be called and where I can get it from. In the last photo you can actually see space between the shaft and the bushing. Very loose. If the weather holds out, I'll try adjusting the valves tomorrow morning ;) Thanks for the tools Dan G. We can make plans to get together afterward so I can return them. TIA! Jim/ '83 240d ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:31:40 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Re: Part needed... How about a link to the photos he said! ;) http://www.execpc.com/~jslash/240D/240D.html Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: > Hi folks... > > I replaced the muffler system from the engine pipe back > (excluding the engine pipe) last fall. Day before yesterday > the engine pipe broke right at the splice ;) > > While I'm replacing the engine pipe I'm going to adjust > the valves too. While lubing up the throttle linkages as > we learned at the list gathering I noticed a bushing that > is very worn and causing a lot of "slop" in the throttle > linkages. I've snapped a few photos and put a square > around the bushing. Can anyone tell me what this part > might be called and where I can get it from. In the last > photo you can actually see space between the shaft and > the bushing. Very loose. > > If the weather holds out, I'll try adjusting the valves > tomorrow morning ;) > > Thanks for the tools Dan G. We can make plans to > get together afterward so I can return them. > > TIA! > > Jim/ > > '83 240d ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:10:30 -0500 From: "Phil Tigue" Subject: 300td wagon Thanks for the tip, I did not know the sending unit was accessible without removing the tank, I will have to look into it. right now I am in the middle of changing glow plugs, I have changed the first and last but getting my tools into the right spot is very tough, I am using box wrenches. Is there a easier method? different tools perhaps? the Pocono Mountains are just really big hills to people out west who have seen the real mountains but in Pennsylvania they are the mountains (people ski down them anyway). > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:30:31 -0600 > From: mjmason-at-juno.com > Subject: Re:fuel gauge - WAS 300td wagon > > Have you tried cleaning the sending unit? > > I should start by saying that I don't know if the same device is used on > the wagons - I'm referring to an electric sensor that literally sits in > the tank, bathed in fuel. When the float starts to get gunked up with > diesel and/or sediment, it doesn't read correctly. When my 80 240D > started reading empty despite having fuel in the tank, we removed the > first-aid kit on the back deck (and the cavity it sits in), and removed > the sending unit with a large (LARGE) socket, which fit right down on the > top. I mean, we're probably talking 27mm or larger here - it's been a > while since I've owned the car so I don't actually remember. Anyway, > some WD-40 to clear the muck out of the float's pathway and I was back in > business. > > Any wagoneers (sorry, dieseljohn) out there who can add to this? > > - - Matt > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:34:50 -0600 > From: "Gerry Visel" > Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #736 > > Phil, > > Check a boat supply place or a truck stop. They should have it. > > You might want to just pull the sending unit and confirm though. It's > accessible from the top of the tank, I believe. (Not sure on the wagon, > but it is on the 300SD, behind/under the back seat.) Check the tank > screen from there also. > > Gerry Visel > > > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:58:30 -0500 > > From: "Phil Tigue" > > Subject: 300td station wagon > > > > where can I get some of that biocide stuff or something similar, I haven't > > found any at the local pepboys?. I think my tank has probably got a lot of > > build up. > > > > my fuel guage bounces around if I have close to a half tank or less, many > > times it rests on empty even if I have some fuel.. any ideas? the car had > > been sitting idle for a few years. thanks, phil > > ------------------------------ > > well, I made it to Pennsylvannia... and I'm back on line... :) > I'm in something they call the Pocono Mountains. Problem is I don't > see any mountains... Maybe I'll have to ask some locals where they are. :) > > john > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- > > ------------------------------ > > End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #737 > ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:25:44 -0500 From: "Phil Tigue" Subject: sticky mist from the ductwork Do you think I can definitely rule out the a/c coolant, I don't know what it smells like. the replacement of a heater core requires taking out the center console and that sounds like a lot of work. is there any alternative to replacing a leaking heater maybe some type of additive sealant? - ----- Original Message ----- ontents: > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:15:10 -0500 > From: "Phil Tigue" > Subject: sticky mist from the ductwork > > My climate control system is not working, I havn't got around to check it > out yet ( I am currently changing glow plugs), I have already changed the > fuse but it blows out, the blower doesn't run. I get this mist while the car > is running comming out of the defroster opening and collecting on the window > and it is sticky and smells funky and foul, any Ideas on whether it is the > ac or coolant? > > thanks, > phil > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:59:13 -0700 > From: "JC Jones" > Subject: RE: sticky mist from the ductwork > > Sounds like you have a leaking heater core. Speaking from experience on > other vehicles as I have never done a MB heater core and don't actually > know where it's located even. > > JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net How do you clean out the system? I thought the stuff would work its way out somehow, this is wishful thinking perhaps. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:34:39 -0600 > From: Jan Guthrie > Subject: Re: 300td station wagon > > Phil, > You can buy the Biocide at most stores where they sell stuff for boats. The > biocide obviously kills the stuff, but then you may have to clean out the > system. > > Jan and her 1985 300TD and 1985 300D (coming soon) > > Phil Tigue wrote: > > > where can I get some of that biocide stuff or something similar, I haven't > > found any at the local pepboys?. I think my tank has probably got a lot of > > build up. > > > > my fuel guage bounces around if I have close to a half tank or less, many > > times it rests on empty even if I have some fuel.. any ideas? the car had > > been sitting idle for a few years. > > thanks, > > phil > > - -- > > $:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: > > Jan > Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage > jan-at-buy-a-boat.com > 262-553-1998 > http://www.buy-a-boat.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:45:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 11/13/01; extensive revisions to 1.j, 1.k -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. Persons who read the list via email are automatically members, but readers of the FTP archive are not, and need to contact me (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) and get your name added to the list of "permitted senders". b) has your email address changed? some of you have had changes in your email address. your old address still works, and is still on the list, but your From: line shows a new address. this can happen for various reasons; you may have changed jobs or ISPs, and left a forward in place, or your IT staff may have fiddled with the email system. you will need to unsubscribe your old email address and subscribe the new one. this may require my involvement, if you can't figure out a way to get your old address off the list using the conventional majordomo commands. you can use the majordomo "which" command to probe for old addresses. send a message to majordomo-at-digest.net with one or more which commands in the body, one per line. to check for potential addresses for Fred Flinstone, formerly of bedrock.org, the following commands can be sent: which flintstone which bedrock note that the matches above might return any of the following addresses, if they appear in the list (in other words, you can use vagueness and incompleteness in your recollection as a tool): Fred.Flinstone-at-bedrock.org fflinstone-at-wilma.bedrock.org flintstonef-at-bedrock.com c) do you have more than one email address? if so, only the subscribed addresses can post, unless you contact me (see 1.a) above for relevant information) d) are you using (intentionally or accidentially) special "features" of your mail client? [this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, the following phrases in subject lines are automatically blocked: Important Message From growth stocks free calling card direct e-mail secrets Merchant Account Mass Marketing make money fast Pediatric advice Email ? Million People what "they" don't want are you being investigated the actual list is quite a bit longer; i think you get the idea. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #738 *********************************