From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #740 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, April 3 2002 Volume 01 : Number 740 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: W123 Antenna the last digest Re: 300td wagon Re: Part needed... Re: Part needed... Re: Part needed... Re: Mercedes Questions Re: the last digest Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 04:16:50 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: W123 Antenna Fellow listers, If any of you have a need for a replacement for your Hirschman 6000U antenna, used on the W123's, contact me off list. This is one of the parts I kept from "Mathilde" after she was totalled. The antenna is virtually new. I installed it in Jan. of '99, but never used it because the previous owner had the lack of common sense and let Walmart install a Sony AM/FM/CD radio and they screwed up the wiring. It works just fine, but I can't use it on my SD because it uses a newer model (600EL). If you've got a 6000EL that you don't need, such a deal I'll make you! Jon '84 300SD 133,800 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:19:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: the last digest 1) found out that where I'm at is around 2,000 feet, top of the poconos mtns... :) looks like level ground to me... :) 2) the factory manuals for the '83 300SD are on CDROM, about $100 US 3) the beer/beverage cooler page was funny... I half expected to see an "after" shot of the "shed". :) He mentioned being "slash.dotted". That happened to my site a couple years ago with the rocket car story. :) AMD chips are fine. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:49:19 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: 300td wagon I usually remove the injector lines to get access to the glowplugs. Another method involves spending money on a set of gear wrenches (ratchets in very tiny increments). The Rockies are just really big hills to the people in Tibet who have seen the real mountains but in Colorado they are the mountains. ;-> Kind Regards, Mike Aimino On 1 Apr 02, at 0:10, Phil Tigue wrote: > Thanks for the tip, I did not know the sending unit was accessible without > removing the tank, I will have to look into it. right now I am in the middle > of changing glow plugs, I have changed the first and last but getting my > tools into the right spot is very tough, I am using box wrenches. Is there > a easier method? different tools perhaps? > > the Pocono Mountains are just really big hills to people out west who have > seen the real mountains but in Pennsylvania they are the mountains (people > ski down them anyway). > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:30:31 -0600 > > From: mjmason-at-juno.com > > Subject: Re:fuel gauge - WAS 300td wagon > > > > Have you tried cleaning the sending unit? > > > > I should start by saying that I don't know if the same device is used on > > the wagons - I'm referring to an electric sensor that literally sits in > > the tank, bathed in fuel. When the float starts to get gunked up with > > diesel and/or sediment, it doesn't read correctly. When my 80 240D > > started reading empty despite having fuel in the tank, we removed the > > first-aid kit on the back deck (and the cavity it sits in), and removed > > the sending unit with a large (LARGE) socket, which fit right down on the > > top. I mean, we're probably talking 27mm or larger here - it's been a > > while since I've owned the car so I don't actually remember. Anyway, > > some WD-40 to clear the muck out of the float's pathway and I was back in > > business. > > > > Any wagoneers (sorry, dieseljohn) out there who can add to this? > > > > - - Matt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:34:50 -0600 > > From: "Gerry Visel" > > Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #736 > > > > Phil, > > > > Check a boat supply place or a truck stop. They should have it. > > > > You might want to just pull the sending unit and confirm though. It's > > accessible from the top of the tank, I believe. (Not sure on the wagon, > > but it is on the 300SD, behind/under the back seat.) Check the tank > > screen from there also. > > > > Gerry Visel > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:58:30 -0500 > > > From: "Phil Tigue" > > > Subject: 300td station wagon > > > > > > where can I get some of that biocide stuff or something similar, I > haven't > > > found any at the local pepboys?. I think my tank has probably got a lot > of > > > build up. > > > > > > my fuel guage bounces around if I have close to a half tank or less, > many > > > times it rests on empty even if I have some fuel.. any ideas? the car > had > > > been sitting idle for a few years. thanks, phil > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > well, I made it to Pennsylvannia... and I'm back on line... :) > > I'm in something they call the Pocono Mountains. Problem is I don't > > see any mountains... Maybe I'll have to ask some locals where they are. > :) > > > > john > > > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #737 > > ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:03:10 -0600 From: "Gerry Visel" Subject: Re: Part needed... Jim, I'm recalling a discussion on the Ritter-Easley list about a year ago, about the torque? on those bolts, and if it was wrong, the engine vibration would crack pipes, which sounds like what happened? Anybody else recall seeing this? I'm gonna be busy tonight, but I'll try to dig through the archives there are find it. Gerry > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:33:56 -0600 > From: "Gerry Visel" > Subject: Re: Part needed... > > Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: > > > Hi folks... > > > > I replaced the muffler system from the engine pipe back > > (excluding the engine pipe) last fall. Day before yesterday > > the engine pipe broke right at the splice ;) > > Jim, > > Check out the proper bolt arrangement at the header pipe-to- > exhaust pipe connection. I've heard that the torque on these is > important, and there may be some special washers and such in there > to minimize the vibrations? Also doublecheck that the rubber muffler > hangars are all still in place and not replaced with something that would > transmit vibes. > > I'm no help on the bushings... > > Gerry Visel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:17:14 -0600 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: Re: Part needed... Gerry, You may be right but I'm thinking that it was caused more so because I didn't replace the engine pipe when I replaced the rest of the system because it "looked fine" ;) It was probably very weak at the time and just took a while for it to rust the rest of the way through. If you find anything in the archives please send it my way. Thanks, Jim/ '83 240d Gerry Visel wrote: > Jim, > > I'm recalling a discussion on the Ritter-Easley list about a year ago, > about the torque? on those bolts, and if it was wrong, the engine > vibration would crack pipes, which sounds like what happened? > > Anybody else recall seeing this? I'm gonna be busy tonight, but I'll > try to dig through the archives there are find it. > > Gerry > > > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:33:56 -0600 > > From: "Gerry Visel" > > Subject: Re: Part needed... > > > > Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: > > > > > Hi folks... > > > > > > I replaced the muffler system from the engine pipe back > > > (excluding the engine pipe) last fall. Day before yesterday > > > the engine pipe broke right at the splice ;) > > > > Jim, > > > > Check out the proper bolt arrangement at the header pipe-to- > > exhaust pipe connection. I've heard that the torque on these is > > important, and there may be some special washers and such in there > > to minimize the vibrations? Also doublecheck that the rubber muffler > > hangars are all still in place and not replaced with something that would > > transmit vibes. > > > > I'm no help on the bushings... > > > > Gerry Visel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:33:34 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: Part needed... My philosophy on exhaust systems is to replace them all at once. Usually, the labor is the biggest part of the cost, or the biggest pain if you are doing it yourself. Doing the whole thing at once makes removal faster, since you can just drop the whole thing, slice it up, whatever. And installation is faster, since you're not struggling with rusty joints. If you go the route of replacing piecemeal, you end up replacing all the same parts, but you repeat all the labor with each piece. Everything tends to rust at about the same rate, anyway. Mike Frank At 05:17 PM 4/2/02, Jim & Barb Hoffman wrote: > You may be right but I'm thinking that it was caused more >so because I didn't replace the engine pipe when I replaced >the rest of the system because it "looked fine" ;) It was >probably very weak at the time and just took a while for >it to rust the rest of the way through. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:24:20 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: Mercedes Questions > On 4/2/02 7:04 PM, "Thomas Sweet" wrote: > >> I am considering buying a 1985 Mercedes 300SD, automatic. The lady says it >> gets 40 Miles to the gallon, and will go 500,000 miles. It has 149,000 now. >> She also said it is a V8. >> >> According to your data, it doesn't seem accurate, but I want to make sure, >> and see if you have a source I can go to so I can check. >> I want to make sure I am getting a reliable car, and one that is good on gas. >> She also has a 500SEL of the same year. >> >> And do you happen to know if these are expensive cars to work on? >> >> Thanks. I had a 1983 300SD, same basic car, a 126 chassis. It never got over 30mpg, typically around 26 to 28 mpg, maybe a bit more. They will go a long, long time. 500,000 miles is not heard of, but it9ll need something along the way. More realistic is probably 300,000 to 400,000. :) Mine had over 200,000 when I sold it, it was doing well. 149,000 miles should not be a problem. It is NOT a V8. It9s an inline 5 cylinder 3 liter turbo charged motor. But don9t be too hard on her, I know many guys who are clueless about what9s under the hood... car salesmen, service advisors, even some mechanics... :) The one glaring error that drives me up a wall is when someone with an 87 or newer Jeep Cherokee says they have a 4.0L V6. It9s an in line six, pop the hood and look. :) Same thing with the Benz, open the hood, look, does that look like it9s in the shape of a V? I don9t think so... :) There is a Mercedes Diesel that would get over 40mpg but it9s the smaller version, and definitely not a V8. It has a bad reputation. A friend at work has the gas version (190 series), I9ve helped him fix it several times in the parking lot. :) It is remotely possible that she is a very conservative driver and might actually be able to get that much fuel economy, or she made an error in calculating the mileage. Or she9s never checked and is guessing. My 81 300D was sold to a meticulous engineer type who has 3dialed it in2 with absolute precision, and I think he mentioned he got about 33 mpg out of it. If her 300SD is dialed in perfectly, and she drives it very conservatively in warm weather on level ground with the tires fully inflated, she might get 35 mpg out of a 300SD. Repairs aren9t bad if you find an honest shop. Parts are plentiful. The 300D has less expensive parts, it9s the 123 chassis. The 300Sd isn9t hard to work on, it is a well engineered vehicle. After owning 4 mercedes, if I were to get another I9d look for a 123 series with a turbo Diesel, probably an 85 or so. I have come close to buying a 300CD, they look superb. However, right now my heart is set on the full restoration of my 83 J10 Stepside and I9m looking forward to piloting that again. :) I don9t recall the last year for the 300SD, it9s the long one, right? How much is she asking for it? I sold mine for around $3,500 if memory serves me correct... It9s been a while since I sold it... If the car is back east any where you need to be concerned about corrosion/rust. Out on the west coast it9s not an issue... not sure where you9re at, if rust is an issue, get it checked. With the coil suspension and unibody if your towers get rusted you9ll have a unique low rider... I9m cc9ing the Diesel Benz list that I started, we9ll hear from some of the more qualified folks if I9m too far off the mark. :) nice thing about lists like this, they make sure you don9t forget something and add even more information. :) john > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:27:34 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: the last digest On 4/3/02 2:38 AM, "Dan J." wrote: > At 09:19 AM 4/2/2002 -0800, John wrote: >> 1) found out that where I'm at is around 2,000 feet, >> top of the poconos mtns... :) looks like level ground to me... :) > > Should we send you an O2 bottle? a case... and H20 as well... and some starbucks..., better yet, Tullys, I haven't seen an espresso stand since I left Seattle... >> 3) the beer/beverage cooler page was funny... I half expected >> to see an "after" shot of the "shed". :) He mentioned >> being "slash.dotted". That happened to my site a >> couple years ago with the rocket car story. :) > Does being "slash.dotted" hurt? Sounds like "being bled" in ye olden > days. Yuck. ;-) Imagine having the entire list emailing you at the same time... It's amazing to watch the log file on your server... the data was streaming across the screen... BTW, someone sent me a link on why Google works so well, turn's out they use "PC" clustering... :) http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html > Diesel Dan > http://dieseldan.net > AIM screen name: dieseldanotr - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #740 *********************************