From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #808 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, September 16 2002 Volume 01 : Number 808 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Washington State wins case! Re: '85 300CD... RE: '85 300CD... Re: '85 300CD... Re: '85 300CD... administrivia: notes on using this list the '85 300CD RE: the '85 300CD out with the Z, in the the XJ... never mind the 300CD... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:00:30 -0700 From: john Subject: Washington State wins case! Washington state wins case against deceptive spammer! http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/87049_spam14.shtml :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:03:45 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: '85 300CD... At 05:22 PM 9/14/2002 -0700, ditwiler-at-THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU wrote: >make sure its not a california car why's that? john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:25:37 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: '85 300CD... 1985 California models used some additional emissions control devices that turned out not to be such wise choices. The "trap oxidizer" was eventually determined to be more trouble than it was worth. If it clogged up, it could damage the turbo and/or the motor. MB replaced many of them with something else for free, and they ended up reimbursing many owners for repairs. On any 85 California MB diesel considered for purchase, find some paperwork on when the trap oxidizer was removed, and what, if any, damage may have been repaired. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:04 PM > To: ditwiler-at-THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: '85 300CD... > > > At 05:22 PM 9/14/2002 -0700, ditwiler-at-THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU wrote: > >make sure its not a california car > > why's that? > > john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:47:43 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: '85 300CD... At 08:57 PM 9/14/2002 -0700, jerry-at-tr2.com wrote: >john wrote: > > > > At 05:22 PM 9/14/2002 -0700, ditwiler-at-THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU wrote: > > >make sure its not a california car > > > > why's that? > > >**** Trap Oxidizer. It's sort of a catalytic converter for diesels. Since >diesel exhaust is not very hot, the TO is bolted directly to the exhaust >manifold. They have a history of disintegrating internally, and sending >shrapnel through the turbo. > > Mercedes had a recall, and replaced all or most of the TO's with an >improved design called the "Oxidation Catalyst". > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) That's what I thought you were referring to. :) Not sure if it's a CA model or not. I think it's a local car. Soon as my 280Z is out of the shop it's going straight over for trade in. :) My son offered to donate his '67 Fairlane to the cause too, since he owes me money for the Ranger Diesel it works quite nicely. If it should be a CA car how hard is it to bypass the trap oxidizer? Have welder, ain't afraid of modifications... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:14:18 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: '85 300CD... At 10:03 PM 9/14/2002 -0700, ditwiler-at-THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU wrote: >the 85 CA OM617 has a soot trap that causes the engine to run hotter and >last less long I'll check the car out... anything to look for in particular? going to test windows, locks, sunroof, cruise and temp control, already know the a/c needs charging... :( car is pretty clean, very straight, working on the pictures to upload... if it is a CA car, how much of a ding on value is it? john >On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, john wrote: > > > At 05:22 PM 9/14/2002 -0700, ditwiler-at-THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU wrote: > > >make sure its not a california car > > > > why's that? > > > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:22:48 -0700 From: john Subject: the '85 300CD stay tuned... could Diesel john really get another Diesel??? inquiring minds want to know... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/DieselBenz/85-300CD/ http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/DieselBenz/85-300CD/300cd-1_.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/DieselBenz/85-300CD/300cd-front.jpg Soon as that 280Z is out of the shop I'm heading over to this lot... you know, I might go over tomorrow and test drive this thing... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:01:01 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: the '85 300CD > http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/DieselBenz/85-300CD/ Looks pretty nice. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks like the wood across the dash is all still flat and there. (You need this car, John.) The blue dash had a greater tendency to develop cracks than the black dash. If this one has no cracks, or just a small one at the interior temperature sensor, that suggests this particular car was well protected during its life. (You want this car, John.) I don't know if white was affected, but 85 tended to be a bad year for MB paint. My maroon one ("English Red"?) was losing the clearcoat in a fairly widespread and unattractive manner. So a respray is not necessarily indicative of body damage repairs, although a cheap respray is hardly better than leaving the original paint. (This car needs you, John.) For the 15 or 20 bucks, CarFax could at least probably tell you what state the vehicle was originally registered in. (Your life will be complete with this car, John.) And I know your disclaimer about rust in the northwest, but be sure to check for it in the frame and suspension. Other than that, I would have to say for the record that I am completely neutral on whether or not you should get this car. ;-) Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:03:04 -0700 From: john Subject: out with the Z, in the the XJ... never mind the 300CD... Waiting for my J10 to be done, need wheels... wife is getting cabin fever, wants her Jeep (WJ) back... :) I'm getting tired of driving her WJ anyway... put over 23,000 miles on it in just over a year! And heading down to LA at the end of the week! Found a nice '85 300CD this weekend, but even trading the 280Z and the son's '67 Fairlane I'd still have to come up with some cash... nice car, but I don't know if I'm really ready to deal with another Benz just yet... The climate control, the cruise control... no, it's not been long enough to forget having heat blowing out when I told it I wanted cold... :) So, while driving to Home Depot I spotted a beautiful '87 XJ, Jeep Cherokee... Pioneer model, pretty simple... at, ac... no power locks/windows, no cruise... but by golly... the rear window wiper works!!! cool. mega-miles, 238,000 and it feels like it... needs some minor TLC in the mechanical division, but priced right... Should get me to and from work for a while... still have a few extras for XJs left lying around even... :) Where did I put the AMSOIL air filter from the little wagoneer? :) http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/johns-87/ My Z should be coming out of the shop in a few days... will see if the lot with the Benz is interested in buying it, or maybe putting it on consignment at the least... need to get some cars out of here. :) http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/280Z/ BTW, talked to my friend who's working on my J10, he's taking it apart even more... going down to bare metal on the frame... it's going to be nice when he's done... http://wagoneers.com/superdawg So, at least with an extra Jeep if he doesn't get it done by first snow it won't become a crisis situation... Hey, anyone got a set of front spacers for this XJ, and a rear add-a-leaf... can you say lift "kit"? :) I found a pair of XJ rims with 30's on 'em up in the field in my Jeep parts pile... rofl... No, NO, NO... I'm not going to start working on this one... drive it, use it, sell it... no modifications... (yeah, right, we'll see... ;) It comes home tomorrow night... both my wife and daughter thought it looked nice... makes it easier to bring it home... now to get rid of that '88 Buick with the dead engine, the '54 Chevy pickup box and that pile of cedar railing... Hey, at least I don't have any cars sitting in the front yard up on concrete blocks... we're rather sophisticated here, we have those $5 jackstands... ;) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #808 *********************************