From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #848 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, January 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 848 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: listing to port which MB's are diesel? 300D starter RE: which MB's are diesel? Re: 300D starter RE: 300D starter Re: which MB's are diesel? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:11:07 -0800 From: john Subject: listing to port Sorry to hear about your floor collapse... read it in the digest the other day... doesn't look good... but FSJ's have the same problem... of course they do have a frame... But even with a uni-body you can patch the rusted out area and strengthen it. Fiberglass is probably the best plan. Unless of course you want to pull everything out of the interior and floor plan and weld in new metal... but metal will rust again... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Anaeis N Subject: which MB's are diesel? Hello! I'm searching out a diesel car to convert to biodiesel fuel, and have come to the conclusion that MB is my classiest option. I'm searching out a used car for the project, but I'm having trouble finding out which MB models are diesel and which are not. Does it have to have a D in it's name to be a diesel, such as the 300D? Also, has MB always used diesel, or is there a specific year that it changed over to it? I'd really like a vintage car (60s-70s), so I need to find out whether MB's even came in that format back then. It was a shock to me to find out recently that BMW's didn't! Also, what do the E, S, and L mean? C is for "coupe", right? Can anyone help? Thanks, Rebecca Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:53:11 -0800 From: "Matt Clarke" Subject: 300D starter Happy New Year. Has anyone changed out a starter on a 300D? I have a 1975 300D and I cannot get the upper 10mm Allen bolt that I cannot remove. I can get an Allen wrench on it but cannot turn the wrench. Is there a "special tool" I need? My next step is to buy a few tools to supplement by basics. Anybody already done this job? Any tips? Thanks in advance, Matt Clarke 805 455 7604 mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 23:06:03 -0600 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: which MB's are diesel? Rebecca, All recent MBs with diesel engine have a "###D" model designation. There was, however, a 300D in the 1950s that had a gas engine--a handsome car. MB has produced diesels for a long time, perhaps since the first diesel engine went into an automobile. Currently they do not import them to the US but will soon again, when US fuel improves. I would recommend a 220D, 240D (4 cylinders) or 300D (with 5 cylinders). Avoid the later 6 cylinder 300Ds. The numbers reflect engine size in liters and indicate performance. Later 300Ds came with turbo-chargers and are downright peppy, a 220D is not appropriate as an escape car if you plan a life of crime. There are luxury models, 300SD and 300SDL (L for 'long', with more leg room in rear). Wagon models are 240TD and 300TD (T is for Touring). The 300CD is a coupe, as you guessed. All these cars have been run with great success on alternative fuels and do not require replacing rubber components to operate on biodiesel (that is a problem with some makes). The injection pumps are lubricated with engine oil (220/240Ds you must fill separately) and are not affected by the lubricity of biodiesel. You won't need to do much conversion to run any of these cars on biodiesel. There are several web sites devoted to biodiesel. You can't just pour old fryer grease in the tank (at least not without filtering and not in winter) but several methods to modify cooking oils are available and in some locations you can buy commercial biodiesel or biodiesel blends. Find a clean, well cared for MB and have it checked out at the MB dealer before you buy. They will do a thorough Pre-Purchase Inspection (PPI) for less than $200--well worth the cost. Old MBs with much life remaining are a great bargain but a poorly cared for example will usually prove very costly to own. Good luck with your project; you'll love the MB. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Anaeis N Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:13 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: which MB's are diesel? Hello! I'm searching out a diesel car to convert to biodiesel fuel, and have come to the conclusion that MB is my classiest option. I'm searching out a used car for the project, but I'm having trouble finding out which MB models are diesel and which are not. Does it have to have a D in it's name to be a diesel, such as the 300D? Also, has MB always used diesel, or is there a specific year that it changed over to it? I'd really like a vintage car (60s-70s), so I need to find out whether MB's even came in that format back then. It was a shock to me to find out recently that BMW's didn't! Also, what do the E, S, and L mean? C is for "coupe", right? Can anyone help? Thanks, Rebecca Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: 300D starter Matt Clarke wrote: > > Happy New Year. Has anyone changed out a starter on a 300D? I have a > 1975 300D and I cannot get the upper 10mm Allen bolt that I cannot > remove. I can get an Allen wrench on it but cannot turn the wrench. Is > there a "special tool" I need? My next step is to buy a few tools to > supplement by basics. > *** I haven't done this particular job, but in general when faced with a difficult Allen head fastener, I would use an allen-head bit that fits on a socket wrench. Or it's possible that a 10-mm combination wrench would fit right onto the Allen key that you have. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 23:38:27 -0600 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: 300D starter Matt, I did it on a cold, rainy day two winters ago on my 75 300D. You need a 10mm Allen socket, the L shaped wrench won't hack it. Attach the socket to a universal joint and 4' of extensions. It helps to put a little duct tape on the universal joint so it doesn't flop around as you maneuver it up along the transmission from middle of the car. Use a long breaker bar on the extensions. On a 280C, the bolt was so tight that I had to let the weight of the car down on the bar to break the bolt loose. But wait. There's more. You will need to remove a tie-rod end to get the starter out and in. Don't use a pickle fork; get a tool that won't damage the tie-rod end when you remove it (I think Harbor Freight has an inexpensive, suitable tool). It really isn't such a difficult job--the second or third time you do it. First time will seem harder than it really is. Persevere. A 75 300D is worth it. And if you replace with a good Bosch rebuilt, you probably won't have to do this again until 2030. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Matt Clarke Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:53 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: 300D starter Happy New Year. Has anyone changed out a starter on a 300D? I have a 1975 300D and I cannot get the upper 10mm Allen bolt that I cannot remove. I can get an Allen wrench on it but cannot turn the wrench. Is there a "special tool" I need? My next step is to buy a few tools to supplement by basics. Anybody already done this job? Any tips? Thanks in advance, Matt Clarke 805 455 7604 mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 23:11:35 -0800 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Re: which MB's are diesel? Rebecca, I am going to attempt a conversion myself on my 1984 190d. You may already have the following info, but in case you do not: 1. http://www.dieselveg.com/Vehicle%20List.htm 2. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0970722702/qid=1041491099/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-4253390-9678222?v=glance&s=books Item #1 has links that will keep you busy for a while. Item #2 is a great resource it is a book that takes you though the whole process. (including a list of diesel cars) If the link doesn't work go to amazon.com and type in Joshua Tickell. I have this book and it is well written and organized for a DIY conversion. Good luck and please pass along any information you come across if you get a chance. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi "Future Greasel" - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Anaeis N To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: which MB's are diesel? Hello! I'm searching out a diesel car to convert to biodiesel fuel, and have come to the conclusion that MB is my classiest option. I'm searching out a used car for the project, but I'm having trouble finding out which MB models are diesel and which are not. Does it have to have a D in it's name to be a diesel, such as the 300D? Also, has MB always used diesel, or is there a specific year that it changed over to it? I'd really like a vintage car (60s-70s), so I need to find out whether MB's even came in that format back then. It was a shock to me to find out recently that BMW's didn't! Also, what do the E, S, and L mean? C is for "coupe", right? Can anyone help? Thanks, Rebecca Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #848 *********************************