From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #852 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, January 6 2003 Volume 01 : Number 852 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: links Biodiesel RE: Biodiesel Re: Biodiesel RE: Biodiesel RE: Biodiesel [none] Little known facts RE: Little known facts Fwd: Little known facts Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 07:53:17 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: links thank you Juergen! :) or should I say: vielen danke!!! :) john At 02:02 PM 1/6/2003 +0100, Juergen wrote: Hi John, SL = Sportlich leicht = sporty and lightweight SD = S-Klasse Diesel = S-Class Diesel SDL = S-Klasse Diesel Lang = S-Class Diesel Long Wheelbase S = S-Klasse (Sonderklasse) = S-Class (Special Class) T = Touristik und Transport = Tourist and transport = Avoiding the terms station wagon resp. estate L = Lang = Long Wheelbase The A-Class W168 (not sold in the US) can be had with normal and long wheelbase, but the L is NOT used here, only in brochures etc. it is e.g. A140 vs. A140 (small print:) Long wheelbase E = Nowadays (since end of 1993) = executive = middle class MB series C = Compact = lower middle class MB series A = Smallest MB series, compact size, A IMHO has no special meaning; I THINK MB just wanted to avoid the term B-Class: That would have sounded like an inferior product (see so-called B-Movies) G = Gelaendewagen = G-Class = professional offroad vehicle ML = ML-Class; should have been M-Class, but BMW prevented that because of their M-series cars (high power cars) More sporty and comfortable offroader than G, but not as good offroad SLK = Different explanations here, e.g. Sportlich leicht kurz = sporty lightweight short; shall remind on the bigger and more expensive SL-series GST = Grand Sport Tourer CL = Coupe Luxus = Coupe luxury = Coupe of the S-Class CLK = Coupe Leicht Kurz = coupe lightweight short = coupe of the C-Class Vaneo = Artificial name, minivan of the A-Class series V-Class = V-Klasse = Luxury version of the commercial mid-size Vito van Look on the main index page of my site at http://www.mbspy.com/index2.htm which is divided into sections for the different MB series. You can find articles about nearly all different MB series there. > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9323/wcodes.htm > W = Wagen = car > R = Roadster > C = Coupe > hey, look who did this... ;) > The author assumes NO LIABILITY for all above information! Please email any > mistakes to jaguare-at-bigfoot.com Yes, yes, yes, it`s me... ;-) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/5350/mbcodes.htm Part of my old site, new one is at http://www.mbspy.com > john In case you have any more questions please do not hesitate to email anytime. Kind regards from Germany & Happy New Year Juergen MBSPY webmaster http://www.mbspy.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:25:09 -0500 From: Rajeev Wijesinghe Subject: Biodiesel Does anyone live in an area where biodiesel is available? Also, what are the conversions needed for a Mercedes Diesel to accept biodiesel. I'm sure it's not much, if any, but thought I'd ask. Happy New Year to you all. Hope the holidays were good to you. Cheers, Rajeev Wijesinghe 1983 300 SD (Possibly having an engine swap/rebuild) 1992 Ford V6 =========================================================== Rajeev L. Wijesinghe RWIJESIN-at-Flemingc.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:46:31 -0800 From: "Matt Clarke" Subject: RE: Biodiesel It's available in Southern California (Los Angeles area). I've not seen conversion instructions but I think after a tank of biodiesel, it would be advisable to change the fuel filters. Matt Clarke 805 455 7604 mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com www.cappellomccann.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Rajeev Wijesinghe Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:25 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Biodiesel Does anyone live in an area where biodiesel is available? Also, what are the conversions needed for a Mercedes Diesel to accept biodiesel. I'm sure it's not much, if any, but thought I'd ask. Happy New Year to you all. Hope the holidays were good to you. Cheers, Rajeev Wijesinghe 1983 300 SD (Possibly having an engine swap/rebuild) 1992 Ford V6 =========================================================== Rajeev L. Wijesinghe RWIJESIN-at-Flemingc.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 13:00:19 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: Biodiesel I am under the impression that biodeisel can work without modifications. But if you were to burn pure vegetable oil, you need to add a fuel heater. Mike Frank At 11:25 AM 1/6/03, Rajeev Wijesinghe wrote: >Does anyone live in an area where biodiesel is available? Also, what are the >conversions needed for a Mercedes Diesel to accept biodiesel. I'm sure it's >not much, if any, but thought I'd ask. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Jan 2003 16:05:40 -0500 From: "Gary, Orlando" Subject: RE: Biodiesel Biodiesel, for the most part, is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for dino-diesel. No mechanical modifications at all. It is NOT the same as using vegi-oil. Most places sell it as a percentage with dino-diesel. You will(or should see) at or near the pump a B20 or B50, or B100 label. B20 = 20% biodiesel, etc. It is blended to maintain more or less, the properties of the grade of diesel used. The fuel is also treatable as regular diesel, anti-gels and the like. Biodiesel itself doesn't cause filter clogging, it is just as clean as regular diesel. What happens is that biodiesel tends to cleans better than diesel, so it will remove the slime and other gunk that has coated your tank for years. A lot of home brewers will prepare a 15 gallon batch of bio-diesel, they get a 12 gallon or so yield of usable fuel, then top off the tank with regular dino.Some(maybe most) don't even do this, they will run straight bio. With no ill affects, actually claim more power and as we know, less emissions. As soon as I gather the equipment, I plan to make my own. - -Gary, Orlando 1986 MB 190D 2.5 On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 11:46, Matt Clarke wrote: > It's available in Southern California (Los Angeles area). I've not seen > conversion instructions but I think after a tank of biodiesel, it would > be advisable to change the fuel filters. > > Matt Clarke > 805 455 7604 > mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com > www.cappellomccann.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] > On Behalf Of Rajeev Wijesinghe > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:25 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Biodiesel > > > Does anyone live in an area where biodiesel is available? Also, what > are the conversions needed for a Mercedes Diesel to accept biodiesel. > I'm sure it's not much, if any, but thought I'd ask. > > Happy New Year to you all. Hope the holidays were good to you. > > Cheers, > Rajeev Wijesinghe > 1983 300 SD (Possibly having an engine swap/rebuild) > 1992 Ford V6 =========================================================== > Rajeev L. Wijesinghe > RWIJESIN-at-Flemingc.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:30:22 -0800 From: "Matt Clarke" Subject: RE: Biodiesel I invite anyone with questions to contact my brother Adam Clarke at adam.clarke-at-verizon.net He has been running 100% bio-diesel in 5 vehicles and 3 brush chippers for a long time. He has huge storage tanks of this fuel in his yard, i.e., his own gas station. Matt Clarke 805 455 7604 mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com www.cappellomccann.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Gary, Orlando Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 PM To: Matt Clarke Cc: RWIJESIN-at-flemingc.on.ca; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: Biodiesel Biodiesel, for the most part, is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for dino-diesel. No mechanical modifications at all. It is NOT the same as using vegi-oil. Most places sell it as a percentage with dino-diesel. You will(or should see) at or near the pump a B20 or B50, or B100 label. B20 = 20% biodiesel, etc. It is blended to maintain more or less, the properties of the grade of diesel used. The fuel is also treatable as regular diesel, anti-gels and the like. Biodiesel itself doesn't cause filter clogging, it is just as clean as regular diesel. What happens is that biodiesel tends to cleans better than diesel, so it will remove the slime and other gunk that has coated your tank for years. A lot of home brewers will prepare a 15 gallon batch of bio-diesel, they get a 12 gallon or so yield of usable fuel, then top off the tank with regular dino.Some(maybe most) don't even do this, they will run straight bio. With no ill affects, actually claim more power and as we know, less emissions. As soon as I gather the equipment, I plan to make my own. - -Gary, Orlando 1986 MB 190D 2.5 On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 11:46, Matt Clarke wrote: > It's available in Southern California (Los Angeles area). I've not > seen conversion instructions but I think after a tank of biodiesel, it > would be advisable to change the fuel filters. > > Matt Clarke > 805 455 7604 > mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com > www.cappellomccann.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] > On Behalf Of Rajeev Wijesinghe > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:25 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Biodiesel > > > Does anyone live in an area where biodiesel is available? Also, what > are the conversions needed for a Mercedes Diesel to accept biodiesel. > I'm sure it's not much, if any, but thought I'd ask. > > Happy New Year to you all. Hope the holidays were good to you. > > Cheers, > Rajeev Wijesinghe > 1983 300 SD (Possibly having an engine swap/rebuild) > 1992 Ford V6 > =========================================================== > Rajeev L. Wijesinghe > RWIJESIN-at-Flemingc.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:37:02 -0800 From: "Matt Clarke" Subject: [none] Hi all, I'm looking for another 300D. There's a 1985 for sale in this area. The owner said the transmission slips from 3rd to 4th gear. This made me nervous. Does this indicate transmission must be replaced? Are there other less serious (less expensive) sources of this problem? Assuming bad transmission, what kind of money to replace with rebuilt trans? I don't mind problems; i just avoid MAJOR problems. thanks in advance. Matt Clarke 805 455 7604 mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com www.cappellomccann.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:47:06 -0700 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: Little known facts Hi All, I found my owner's manual in the glovebox when I was trying to figure something out over the Christmas break, and found it very interesting reading. Some little known facts that I found very interesting: 1) You can pull start a Mercedes with an Automatic transmission when the battery is dead. Instructions are in the manual! Unbelievable! You would think that wouldn't be good for the tranny, but I'm sure those Mercedes engineers figured it out. Probably hard to pull off without a glow cycle! BTW: I haven't tried this. 2) In cold weather, you should let the glow plugs go for up to 1 minute before engaging the starter. (This is something I've heard about on the db list before). 3) In cold weather, starting can be aided by pumping the accelerator 3 times prior to engaging the starter. I've tried this, and even though it wasn't very cold by Montana Standards, it was cold by California standards here in Sacramento (ie: 40 degress F), and it made the start much quicker and easier. This was after letting the glow plugs go for close to one minute also, which is something I already knew, but was also in the manual. 4) In extremely cold weather, you should pump the accelerator and then hold it down while engaging the starter. I forget the exact temperatures and don't have the manual with me, but I think we all know when it is extremely cold. I would say, when you have to wear thermal gloves and a hat, it's extremely cold! Happy Benzing, Scott - -- Scott Haaland 96 6.5L TurboDiesel Suburban 80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet (maybe for sale or parts, still deciding...I love Diesel!!!) 87 Acura Legend 83 VW Vanagon with 2000 Jetta engine conversion from TIICO (for sale) 69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:46:14 -0800 From: "Matt Clarke" Subject: RE: Little known facts I've scanned page 60 of my manual for 1975 300D regarding "bump starting" an auto trans. *** Emergency-starting and towing the vehicle Emergency starting of an engine (tow starting) in a vehicle with automatic transmission Turn idle speed adjusting knob counterclockwise to the stop. Shift selector lever to ''N" and turn key in steering lock to position "2" (in addition on type 240 D, move preglow/starter knob to driving position). Have vehicle towed. Having attained a speed of 18 MPH (if the transmission is very cold) and 30 MPH (transmission warm), keep on driving at this speed for approximately 2 minutes to ensure sufficient fluid pressure in the transmission. To crank the engine, shrift selector Ie 'er" to 'L' 300 D - 'S') Touch the accelerator only when the engine starts firing. As soon as the engine has started mmediately return selector lever to ''N" Adjust idle speed. (On Type 300 D only; It is Important to allow the engine to idle for at least 3 minutes before starting off because the preglow process starts when the key is in steering lock position "2" and is not Immediately disrupted after the engine has been tow-started. During this time the preglow process is cut out automatically.) lf the engine has not fired after a few seconds shift the selector lever from ''L'' to "N" to protect the transmission from damage. For a new starting attempt tow-start the vehicle for some time again with the selector lever in position "N" and repeat the starting procedure. The same method can be used to start the engine in emergencies when rolling downhill. *** Matt Clarke 805 455 7604 mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:47 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Little known facts Hi All, I found my owner's manual in the glovebox when I was trying to figure something out over the Christmas break, and found it very interesting reading. Some little known facts that I found very interesting: 1) You can pull start a Mercedes with an Automatic transmission when the battery is dead. Instructions are in the manual! Unbelievable! You would think that wouldn't be good for the tranny, but I'm sure those Mercedes engineers figured it out. Probably hard to pull off without a glow cycle! BTW: I haven't tried this. 2) In cold weather, you should let the glow plugs go for up to 1 minute before engaging the starter. (This is something I've heard about on the db list before). 3) In cold weather, starting can be aided by pumping the accelerator 3 times prior to engaging the starter. I've tried this, and even though it wasn't very cold by Montana Standards, it was cold by California standards here in Sacramento (ie: 40 degress F), and it made the start much quicker and easier. This was after letting the glow plugs go for close to one minute also, which is something I already knew, but was also in the manual. 4) In extremely cold weather, you should pump the accelerator and then hold it down while engaging the starter. I forget the exact temperatures and don't have the manual with me, but I think we all know when it is extremely cold. I would say, when you have to wear thermal gloves and a hat, it's extremely cold! Happy Benzing, Scott - -- Scott Haaland 96 6.5L TurboDiesel Suburban 80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet (maybe for sale or parts, still deciding...I love Diesel!!!) 87 Acura Legend 83 VW Vanagon with 2000 Jetta engine conversion from TIICO (for sale) 69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 14:50:50 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Fwd: Little known facts I am surprised to see this. I know the start procedure is very different for my turbo '84 and my non-turbo 79. I don't see how pumping can help. Also, how can you preglow for up to a minute, doesn't the timer/temp sensor cut off the current? What I have heard is multiple cycles. BTW, my preglow relay died saturday night on the '84 turbo, but it started up anyway at an ambient temp between 40 and 45 after cooling for 3 1/2 hours! I really didn't expect it to. >From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Little known facts >Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:47:06 -0700 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) >Sender: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >Hi All, > >I found my owner's manual in the glovebox when I was trying to figure >something out over the Christmas break, and found it very interesting >reading. Some little known facts that I found very interesting: > >1) You can pull start a Mercedes with an Automatic transmission when the >battery is dead. Instructions are in the manual! Unbelievable! You >would think that wouldn't be good for the tranny, but I'm sure those >Mercedes engineers figured it out. Probably hard to pull off without a >glow cycle! BTW: I haven't tried this. > >2) In cold weather, you should let the glow plugs go for up to 1 minute >before engaging the starter. (This is something I've heard about on the >db list before). > >3) In cold weather, starting can be aided by pumping the accelerator 3 >times prior to engaging the starter. I've tried this, and even though it >wasn't very cold by Montana Standards, it was cold by California standards >here in Sacramento (ie: 40 degress F), and it made the start much quicker >and easier. This was after letting the glow plugs go for close to one >minute also, which is something I already knew, but was also in the manual. > >4) In extremely cold weather, you should pump the accelerator and then >hold it down while engaging the starter. > >I forget the exact temperatures and don't have the manual with me, but I >think we all know when it is extremely cold. I would say, when you have >to wear thermal gloves and a hat, it's extremely cold! > >Happy Benzing, >Scott >-- >Scott Haaland > >96 6.5L TurboDiesel Suburban >80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet (maybe for sale or parts, still deciding...I >love Diesel!!!) >87 Acura Legend >83 VW Vanagon with 2000 Jetta engine conversion from TIICO (for sale) >69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #852 *********************************