From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #853 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, January 8 2003 Volume 01 : Number 853 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: No Subject RE: Little known facts Re: Fwd: Little known facts RE: Little known facts RE: Little known facts Re: benz listserve insanity from DC Atlanta Area Re: Atlanta Area Re: Atlanta Area RE: Little known facts Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 06 Jan 2003 17:57:49 -0500 From: "Gary, Orlando" Subject: Re: No Subject Show me a vintage MB that DOESN'T slip between 3rd and 4th! But slip means different things to different people. When I first got my 190, the thing seemed to slide into every gear. That's when I did a little study on MB tranny's and found out how to adjust it. Now it shift slightly mushy(in a good way) when driving it easy, and firm when standing on it. Take it for as drive yourself. See what you think. Offer to treak the vacuum system, throttle position cable, and modulator pressure. Then see how it drives. I'm sure you are familiar with this site... http://business.baylor.edu/Richard_Easley/autofaqs/main.htm specifically; http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ic/ic20242.htm http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/autofaqs/atcheck.htm Good Luck! - -Gary, Orlando(born & raised in Ojai) 1986 MB 190D 2.5 On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 16:37, Matt Clarke wrote: > Hi all, I'm looking for another 300D. There's a 1985 for sale in this > area. The owner said the transmission slips from 3rd to 4th gear. This > made me nervous. Does this indicate transmission must be replaced? Are > there other less serious (less expensive) sources of this problem? > Assuming bad transmission, what kind of money to replace with rebuilt > trans? I don't mind problems; i just avoid MAJOR problems. thanks in > advance. > > > Matt Clarke > > 805 455 7604 > > mclarke-at-cappellomccann.com > > www.cappellomccann.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:07:47 -0700 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: RE: Little known facts Greg, I don't understand how pumping the accelerator petal can help an injected engine to start either, but it does work....maybe someone out there can explain why? Also, on my W116 1980 300SD Turbo, the glow plug relay seems to last about a minute, although I haven't timed it. I just replaced the glow plugs, and it sure starts better with the new plugs. Does yours not go as long? If it cuts out at a certain temperature, how would it help to glow again? Wouldn't it just cut out at the same temp (just sooner?) R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: Greg Fiorentino [mailto:gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 2:51 PM To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Fwd: Little known facts I am surprised to see this. I know the start procedure is very different for my turbo '84 and my non-turbo 79. I don't see how pumping can help. Also, how can you preglow for up to a minute, doesn't the timer/temp sensor cut off the current? What I have heard is multiple cycles. BTW, my preglow relay died saturday night on the '84 turbo, but it started up anyway at an ambient temp between 40 and 45 after cooling for 3 1/2 hours! I really didn't expect it to. >From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Little known facts >Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:47:06 -0700 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) >Sender: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >Hi All, > >I found my owner's manual in the glovebox when I was trying to figure >something out over the Christmas break, and found it very interesting >reading. Some little known facts that I found very interesting: > >1) You can pull start a Mercedes with an Automatic transmission when the >battery is dead. Instructions are in the manual! Unbelievable! You >would think that wouldn't be good for the tranny, but I'm sure those >Mercedes engineers figured it out. Probably hard to pull off without a >glow cycle! BTW: I haven't tried this. > >2) In cold weather, you should let the glow plugs go for up to 1 minute >before engaging the starter. (This is something I've heard about on the >db list before). > >3) In cold weather, starting can be aided by pumping the accelerator 3 >times prior to engaging the starter. I've tried this, and even though it >wasn't very cold by Montana Standards, it was cold by California standards >here in Sacramento (ie: 40 degress F), and it made the start much quicker >and easier. This was after letting the glow plugs go for close to one >minute also, which is something I already knew, but was also in the manual. > >4) In extremely cold weather, you should pump the accelerator and then >hold it down while engaging the starter. > >I forget the exact temperatures and don't have the manual with me, but I >think we all know when it is extremely cold. I would say, when you have >to wear thermal gloves and a hat, it's extremely cold! > >Happy Benzing, >Scott >-- >Scott Haaland > >96 6.5L TurboDiesel Suburban >80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet (maybe for sale or parts, still deciding...I >love Diesel!!!) >87 Acura Legend >83 VW Vanagon with 2000 Jetta engine conversion from TIICO (for sale) >69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:23:34 -0800 From: "Dan Jacobs" Subject: Re: Fwd: Little known facts On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 14:50:50 -0800 Greg Fiorentino wrote: > how can you preglow for up to a > minute, doesn't the timer/temp > sensor cut off the current? What I have heard > is multiple cycles. I was told by Fritz at MBI, an indie MBZ shop in Portland, OR, that the glow plugs run for a couple of minutes when starting the car in cold temps. He said if it is really cold, wait a few seconds after the glow plug light shuts off, and give it a little fuel when cranking. He also suggested replacing the starter with a unit made for the turbo engine of the same year in my '79 300D, made a big difference. Seems to help starting the car in that it builds compression faster in the cylinder and better fuel pressure, which my poor old engine needs. Diesel Dan, your "Hey, I switched one of the old computers in my house to Linux so my wife could play Mahjong and I wouldn't be a slave to MSFT" man in sunny (Yes, I said sunny!) Washougal, WA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:37:05 -0800 From: Steve Fallin Subject: RE: Little known facts regarding # 3 below: I recently had problems getting my 84 going as the mornings got cold here in Seattle. It turned out that I had almost no functionality from my Glow system even though the fault indicator light indicated that everything was fine. After the system failed completely, I invested an afternoon and $50 is swapping out the glow plugs. Even well below freezing, I now hit the crank as soon as the light goes out and the engine fires immediately. Under identical circumstances before I installed the new plugs, it took 5 min. or so to get the car started in the morning. Bottom line: If the car cranks & cranks but eventually starts, suspect the glows & replace them all. The MB shop manual suggests that the Glow fault indicator circuit isn't entirely reliable and will not always indicate a fault if you have a single glow plug out, or if the set is old and operating below peak efficiency. As I recall the cold weather starting procedures are recommended for air temps. below 32F for the pump 3 times and crank it variation and below 0F for the pump 3 times and hold it down variation. Steve Fallin 84 300D - -----Original Message----- From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com [mailto:scott_haaland-at-agilent.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:47 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Little known facts 3) In cold weather, starting can be aided by pumping the accelerator 3 times prior to engaging the starter. I've tried this, and even though it wasn't very cold by Montana Standards, it was cold by California standards here in Sacramento (ie: 40 degress F), and it made the start much quicker and easier. This was after letting the glow plugs go for close to one minute also, which is something I already knew, but was also in the manual. Happy Benzing, Scott - -- Scott Haaland 96 6.5L TurboDiesel Suburban 80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet (maybe for sale or parts, still deciding...I love Diesel!!!) 87 Acura Legend 83 VW Vanagon with 2000 Jetta engine conversion from TIICO (for sale) 69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:31:09 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: RE: Little known facts OK, that makes a few of us who don't understand how pumping the accelerator can help an injected engine. I'm hoping for an answer from someone on this list. In reguards to the glow circuit timing. I actually got out a meter and checked the voltage at the glow plug. Mine stay "hot" for about 40 seconds. Long after the dash light goes out. I can actually hear the relay drop out from inside the car so I'll turn the key and wait until I hear the relay drop out and re-cycle if really cold. It works well. My 240D is still down while I try to figure out what to do with the rusted out floor pans. Someone sent a URL of a company on the web that sold replacement panels for MB's. I contacted them but they didn't have any for the 123 body! :( Jim/ > Greg, > > I don't understand how pumping the accelerator petal can help an injected engine to start either, but it does work....maybe someone out there can explain why? Also, on my W116 1980 300SD Turbo, the glow plug relay seems to last about a minute, although I haven't timed it. I just replaced the glow plugs, and it sure starts better with the new plugs. Does yours not go as long? If it cuts out at a certain temperature, how would it help to glow again? Wouldn't it just cut out at the same temp (just sooner?) > > R, > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 09:47:36 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: benz listserve At 12:08 PM 1/7/2003 -0500, tom durham wrote: >hi, just signed up for the listserv. what is the address to send a >message to the actual list? it didnt arrive with any of the welcome emails. > >thanks, tom email to diesel-benz-at-digest.net :) see my sig file for more "how to info". welcome aboard john ====================================================================================== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). 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I was wondering if anyone on the list could reccomend a good MB Diesel Mechanic in the Decatur, Ga area which is close to Atlanta, GA. thanks, tom _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:56:22 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Atlanta Area HEY RUSTY!!! This is your neck of the woods. Tom, Rusty Cullens is a TREMENDOUS resource for top quality parts at great prices, and he's in the Atlanta area. I think I remember him chiming in on this list within the last few weeks, so hopefully he'll see this and contribute again. I don't know if he is associated with any particular repair shops, or if he just does the parts business, but you should definitely get in touch with him at 800-741-5252. You might even mention that you found out about him through this list. Just to be clear, I have no financial relationship, etc., etc., I'm just a very happy customer of Rusty's, and a fellow Benzaholic. Welcome aboard, Alec Cordova Taylor, texas 89 300CE, 151K > Hi, im new to the list and have just taken over a family Mercedes 300 SD > turbo with 100,000 miles. I was wondering if anyone on the list could > reccomend a good MB Diesel Mechanic in the Decatur, Ga area which is close > to Atlanta, GA. > > > thanks, tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:01:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Atlanta Area Hmmm, Atlanta area here as well with a 1981 300SD with 171,000 (when the odometer broke). Thanks for the tip as I am looking for someone to do a lot of work soon. On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:56:22 US/Central > From: acordova-at-texas.net > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: Atlanta Area > > HEY RUSTY!!! > > This is your neck of the woods. > > > Tom, > > Rusty Cullens is a TREMENDOUS resource for top quality parts at great prices, > and he's in the Atlanta area. > > I think I remember him chiming in on this list within the last few weeks, so > hopefully he'll see this and contribute again. I don't know if he is associated > with any particular repair shops, or if he just does the parts business, but > you should definitely get in touch with him at 800-741-5252. You might even > mention that you found out about him through this list. > > Just to be clear, I have no financial relationship, etc., etc., I'm just a very > happy customer of Rusty's, and a fellow Benzaholic. > > Welcome aboard, > Alec Cordova > Taylor, texas > 89 300CE, 151K > > > > Hi, im new to the list and have just taken over a family Mercedes 300 SD > > turbo with 100,000 miles. I was wondering if anyone on the list could > > reccomend a good MB Diesel Mechanic in the Decatur, Ga area which is close > > to Atlanta, GA. > > > > > > thanks, tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:33:39 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: RE: Little known facts With an Ohmmeter, testing the plugs is simplicity itself. Take the lid off the relay. Pull the 6 connector block off. connect one lead from the ohmmeter to ground. Probe each of the 5 connectors. They should read more-or-less 1 ohm of resistance. If much higher they are open and need replacing. At 05:37 PM 1/6/03 , you wrote: >regarding # 3 below: >I recently had problems getting my 84 going as the mornings got cold here in >Seattle. It turned out that I had almost no functionality from my Glow >system even though the fault indicator light indicated that everything was >fine. After the system failed completely, I invested an afternoon and $50 is >swapping out the glow plugs. Even well below freezing, I now hit the crank >as soon as the light goes out and the engine fires immediately. Under >identical circumstances before I installed the new plugs, it took 5 min. or >so to get the car started in the morning. > >Bottom line: If the car cranks & cranks but eventually starts, suspect the >glows & replace them all. >The MB shop manual suggests that the Glow fault indicator circuit isn't >entirely reliable and will not always indicate a fault if you have a single >glow plug out, or if the set is old and operating below peak efficiency. > >As I recall the cold weather starting procedures are recommended for air >temps. below 32F for the pump 3 times and crank it variation and below 0F >for the pump 3 times and hold it down variation. > > >Steve Fallin >84 300D > > >-----Original Message----- >From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com [mailto:scott_haaland-at-agilent.com] >Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:47 PM >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Little known facts > > >3) In cold weather, starting can be aided by pumping the accelerator 3 times >prior to engaging the starter. I've tried this, and even though it wasn't >very cold by Montana Standards, it was cold by California standards here in >Sacramento (ie: 40 degress F), and it made the start much quicker and >easier. This was after letting the glow plugs go for close to one minute >also, which is something I already knew, but was also in the manual. > >Happy Benzing, >Scott >-- >Scott Haaland > >96 6.5L TurboDiesel Suburban >80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet (maybe for sale or parts, still deciding...I >love Diesel!!!) >87 Acura Legend >83 VW Vanagon with 2000 Jetta engine conversion from TIICO (for sale) >69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup Greg Fiorentino gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #853 *********************************