From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #894 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 01 : Number 894 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: someone buy my 300 CD Re: someone buy my 300 CD Re: someone buy my 300 CD RE: Amsoil fuel additives and treatments and the brake light... RE: Amsoil fuel additives and treatments and the brake light... Re: Electrical niggly's Re: someone buy my 300 CD Re: someone buy my 300 CD Hood pad install Re: electrical issue 190D - urgent... My German Re: My German Re: electrical issue 190D - urgent... Re: someone buy my 300 CD Smart in the US Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:48:21 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: someone buy my 300 CD well, that thought does come to mind, only problem is the light the drain or a short in the system somewhere that creates the drain that lights the light? :) john At 07:41 PM 2/25/2003 -0800, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:32:38PM -0800, john wrote: > > well, need to go out and find out why the brake lining warning > > light is on with the ignition off... drains the battery... > >Sounds like a problem easily solved by a pair of diagonal cutters :) :) :) > >K > >-- >Kevin Pekarek >Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:01:38 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: someone buy my 300 CD On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:48:21PM -0800, john wrote: > well, that thought does come to mind, only problem is the light > the drain or a short in the system somewhere that creates the > drain that lights the light? :) If you're THAT worried about not jumping the car in the morning, just unplug the battery and deal with it tomorrow. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:06:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: someone buy my 300 CD WHAT and have to reprogram the radio and the clock? NEVER. ;) I'll put the charger on it tonight... ;) john At 08:01 PM 2/25/2003 -0800, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:48:21PM -0800, john wrote: > > well, that thought does come to mind, only problem is the light > > the drain or a short in the system somewhere that creates the > > drain that lights the light? :) > >If you're THAT worried about not jumping the car in the morning, just unplug >the battery and deal with it tomorrow. > >K > >-- >Kevin Pekarek >Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:21:33 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Amsoil fuel additives and treatments and the brake light... > Got my Benz home... noticed the brake lining warning light coming > on when I have the key off and out??? > > john > Yuk. Doesn't sound promising. On the bright side, other than for starting up, who needs a charging system in a diesel? I always enjoyed splashing through big puddles in my 85 300D, (over-)confident in the knowledge that we didn't need no stinkin charging system to keep a diesel running. ;-) Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:00:58 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: Amsoil fuel additives and treatments and the brake light... At 10:21 PM 2/25/2003 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: > > Got my Benz home... noticed the brake lining warning light coming > > on when I have the key off and out??? > john >Yuk. Doesn't sound promising. well, I just came in from outside... wiggled wires under the hood, moved 'em around, opened up the fuse box, etc... started the car to move the pass mirror around and so on and shut it off and the light didn't come back on... someone has really done some strange wiring, there is a switch under the dash that causes an LED to blink... :) I think I'll be taking the dash apart one fine sunny warm day soon... ;) driving it to bellevue tomorrow. :) john >On the bright side, other than for starting up, who needs a charging system >in a diesel? I always enjoyed splashing through big puddles in my 85 300D, >(over-)confident in the knowledge that we didn't need no stinkin charging >system to keep a diesel running. ;-) > > >Alec - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:08:55 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Electrical niggly's excellent advice. thanx. didn't even think of it for a vehicle this new... (yeah, I know, it's 2003, but anything newer then about a '68 seems new to me. ;) but it's the same advice I give to FSJ owners when they get a "new" full size jeep... I bet I cleared up the bulb coming on thing by fiddling with the fuse box! I was going to post a "cleared while testing" message. ;) I'm going to go through all the connectors with AMSOIL MP and clean stuff up. I need to replace a vacuum switch on the passenger door, my antenna base cover is missing and I need to figure out how to set the clock on the Sony CD player. ;) Amsoil doesn't make an air filter for this thing... looking at it I don't think I'll be able to easily find a comparable filter. :( I need to either have the driver's seat fixed or replaced, it's listing to port. :) Oh yeah, the fuel gauge appears to be settled in at 3/4T... but it only took 4 gallons... and didn't move... I guess some AMSOIL Diesel Fuel Modifier might clean things out a bit... but I'll do that after I go through all the connectors... cool stuff, thanx Derick! BTW, I bought the CD service manual on ebay tonight... ;) ttyl, john At 10:58 PM 2/25/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: >I will give to you the same advice that Marshall Booth gave to me when I >got my first 190D replace all the fuses, blown or not. I did it and all >the "little" niggles went away. Other things you may want to check are >both plugs on the glow relay, the plug to the Cruise control servo. I had >to tighten the sockets a little bit on theses plugs. Check the brushes on >your regulator too. When they are new they are about 1 inch long. > >The switch sounds like it activates a circuit that makes it "look like" it >has an armed alarm system. > >The good thing is once these are addressed you should not have to revisit >them anytime soon. > >Good Luck, > >Derick > > >= = = Original message = = = > >At 10:21 PM 2/25/2003 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: > > > Got my Benz home... noticed the brake lining warning light coming >>on when I have the key off and out??? >john >Yuk. Doesn't sound promising. > >well, I just came in from outside... wiggled wires under the >hood, moved 'em around, opened up the fuse box, etc... started >the car to move the pass mirror around and so on and shut it off >and the light didn't come back on... > >someone has really done some strange wiring, there is a switch >under the dash that causes an LED to blink... :) > >I think I'll be taking the dash apart one fine sunny warm day soon... ;) > >driving it to bellevue tomorrow. :) > >john > > > > > On the bright side, other than for starting up, who needs a charging system >in a diesel? I always enjoyed splashing through big puddles in my 85 300D, >(over-)confident in the knowledge that we didn't need no stinkin charging >system to keep a diesel running. ;-) > > >Alec > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >___________________________________________________________ >Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. >Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:31:20 EST From: JoErnest-at-aol.com Subject: Re: someone buy my 300 CD Hi John, So how's the 190D? Next week I'm going to advertise the 300CD again locally, but this time I'll stay in town to show the car. I'm learning, I guess. Patti called me after she and Paul got the Range Rover home. I wanted her to tell me how nice the RR is, but all I got is what a hassle it had been bringing the truck home. And, yes, it is in the street and not the driveway. How dare you ROFL wihout knowing the whole story. I bought the RR sight unseen, while I am out of town, no less. This going out of town business is getting to be more and more dangerous. Either my wife's car dies, or potential car buyers can't see my car, or I buy a car without seeing it. And my car, the 300CD, is still not sold. OK, now you can ROFL long and hard. Enjoy........my predicament ..............and your 190D...............JoE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:36:19 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: someone buy my 300 CD At 02:31 AM 2/26/2003 -0500, JoErnest-at-aol.com wrote: >Hi John, >So how's the 190D? sitting in my carport. :) needs a few minor things, but overall it's beautiful. :) I'm looking forward to the economy. :) It's a snappy little car... off the line... feels nice, quiet, rides decent and most everything seems to work. I was thinking I wanted a 300CD, but I'm not so sure any more. ;) >Enjoy........my predicament ..............and your 190D...............JoE won't necessarily enjoy your troubles, but will enjoy the 190D... and to think we were so close to having a 280Z sitting in your driveway too. ;) It's so amazing that guy called to buy the Z right in the middle of figuring out how we were going to meet up. :) worked out well for me, and considering what was needed to make the Z a comfortable car for your wife, sounds like it worked out well for you too. ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:36:59 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Hood pad install Hey everyone, Just installed the hood pad.... Thanks for all the advice.... Installation went well and started to go much smoother once I started spraying that 3M spray in my garrage . Hopefully things will look the same to me once I recover from the fumes Im gonna wait for a while before going out for a test drive in the car to make sure that everything is bonded well. Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 03:11:19 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: electrical issue 190D - urgent... Heh, At least your not highly qualified in a niche market :( R. On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 10:17 PM, Gary, Orlando wrote: > John, > I can't give any specifics on your electrical gremlin, but if you want a > manual fast and cheap, they have CDROM manuals all the time on eBay for > about $10. > > The last paper one I've seen was pretty pricey. > > These cars(at least mine) have anti-theft built in. Maybe because yours > is aftermarket, they tied the arming indicator into the brake > circuit(?). > > -Gary, Orlando > 1986 MB 190D 2.5 > > P.S., good luck on your job... I wish I had one! 20 years in the Navy > and I am not qualified or certified to do anything... at least anything > that will pay a living wage. > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 19:42, john wrote: >> Got my '85 190D home. The guy lowered the price >> $100 because he thought the battery was going... turns >> out there's an electrical problem. When I turn off the car >> the brake lining warning light comes on with the ignition off. >> >> Need to fix it, have to go down to the east side in the morning >> and don't want to have to jump start it... :) >> >> Any ideas? it does have an aftermarket alarm system... >> >> anyone have a wiring diagram they could take a picture or scan of? >> >> Where's the best place to get the shop manual for this thing, >> I mean besides Derrick's house? ;) >> >> in other news I have a job interview this friday! :) the Lord >> always provides... >> >> ttyl, >> john >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 06:26:21 -0500 From: "Tom Scordato" Subject: My German After months of struggling to find my "motor" number, I think I found it although not on my 1977 300D block. I was going through an old maintenance booklet from MB and a previous owner and I found a 3 inch X 7 inch card with a bunch of numbers on it. I have made a pdf photo copy of the card. Do not want to attach and burden this Diesel listing group, but if anyone could help me decipher what they mean as the titles above numbers are listed in German and some are just listed without any language indication. My German is not too good and I have guessed what some numbers mean, but others? Thanks. Tom Scordato 428 North Wilson Street Bellefonte, PA 16823 U.S.A. Phone: (814) 353-1857 Fax: (814) 353-1839 Cell: (814) 880-4579 Email: ts-at-brdgstn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:05:17 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: My German send the image to me at john-at-wagoneers.com I've seen some decoding stuff on the web and I lived in Germany for 5 years a long time ago, might be able to decipher it or find a local German to help. ;) auf weiderschnitzel, john At 06:26 AM 2/26/2003 -0500, Tom Scordato wrote: >After months of struggling to find my "motor" number, I think I found it >although not on my 1977 300D block. I was going through an old maintenance >booklet from MB and a previous owner and I found a 3 inch X 7 inch card with a >bunch of numbers on it. > >I have made a pdf photo copy of the card. Do not want to attach and burden >this Diesel listing group, but if anyone could help me decipher what they mean >as the titles above numbers are listed in German and some are just listed >without any language indication. My German is not too good and I have guessed >what some numbers mean, but others? Thanks. > >Tom Scordato >428 North Wilson Street >Bellefonte, PA 16823 >U.S.A. >Phone: (814) 353-1857 >Fax: (814) 353-1839 >Cell: (814) 880-4579 >Email: ts-at-brdgstn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:07:12 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: electrical issue 190D - urgent... At 03:11 AM 2/26/2003 -0500, Robert Chase wrote: >Heh, >At least your not highly qualified in a niche market :( what, an HP-UX, Solaris, AIX and Linux System Admin, Amsoil dealer, circuit designer, Systems Analyst, technical instructor isn't in a niche market? ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/Filter_INFORMATION/air_filter-1.jpg http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/Filter_INFORMATION/air_filter-2.jpg SJ Jeeps: 360/401: TS-23 258: TS-12 retail $21.50 XJ Jeeps: 4.0L/2.5L('87 and up): TS-29 retail $29.95 WJ Jeeps: 4.7L: TS-104 retail $47.50 DieselBenz: typical S1118 or S1680 retail $32.50 or $39.85 http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/ order 1-800-956-5695 cust# 283461 Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: someone buy my 300 CD JoErnest-at-aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > My wifes Saab 9000 is running just fine, but since John dropped out of the > running for my 300 CD I have bought an 83 VW Rabbit diesel engine to install > into an 84 Vanagon that suffered an engine fire. And today my friend made me > buy a 1992 Range Rover LWB 4.2 with defective air suspension. (I have no will > power) > I really have to sell the 300 CD,.... *** So tell us about it... Where is it? Model year? Color? What's the condition? How many miles on it? etc etc. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:58:42 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Smart in the US There's a company in Florida that's importing the Smart into the US, including Diesel models: http://www.vespa-us.com/smart/ I wrote them and asked how it worked, this is the response they sent below. It sounds a bit fishy to me, but I thought I'd post it in case anyone was interested. BTW, I found & bought my new Diesel today, a 1987 190D Turbo. I'll be closing the deal a week from Saturday, can't wait to hear that reassuring burble in the driveway! Mike Frank We will import these car from Mercedes. Service is may be possible at the Mercedes Benz Dealership or at a car repair shop that's do European cars as BMW, Audi, VW..... We got a Insurance Co. that will insure the smart. Delivery time is between 6 weeks and 4 month. Most info are on our WebPages Please go to our WebPages and take a look. http://www.detlefs-rentals.com/ Price for the Coupe starts at $ 11,400.00 Price for the Cabrio starts at $ 16,800.00 All smart come with the parts for the 10,000 and 20,000 miles service. The transmission is normal 6 speed and you can grate it up with automatic, so you get both in one car. The price list attached will explain all to you what is standard and what is an option. The smart car gets a clear title from Florida. !!!!!The new Roadster will be for sale in June 2003 not this year any more.!!!! We found a insurance that will cover this car. per year in FL US$ 700 to 800.00. Our Price based on Sarasota/Florida. You need to add only the sales tax to it. Brand-new for the Coupe are the elect. glass sunroof for US$ 1,600.00. Leather seats with heat US$ 1,200.00. All new 2002 Models come with a bigger gas tank 33 liter instead of 22 liter. BRABUS Models also available! Tuning Kit up to 78 HP and high speed 100 mi/h Catalog is US$ 20.00 and you get the $20.00 back, if you buy a smart from us. SMART Crossblade 1st place at the Auto salon in Genever (CH) March 2002 At this time we know that it is no problem to register it in WA, IL, MD, TX, OR and FL. CA is not possible jet, you need to register in Nevada. In Europe the using it as police or fire department car. See pictures from Police cars in Germany and Great Britain at our webpage ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #894 *********************************