From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #898 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, March 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 898 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: what the? Re: '84 300D Turbo -- Window problem -- **FIXED!** Strange smells Re: Strange smells Re: Strange smells Re: Egad! Re: Strange smells Re: Strange smells die Toten 190D... stuck in off... Re: Check this out, I am going to try it. administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:13:08 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: what the? well the thing is I only pulled the cluster, some connectors and the speedo cable... I couldn't even get my hand up in behind the ignition switch... there is something to be said for the 123 and 126 chassis... I'm not a big guy and if my hands don't fit up in that dash how in the world would a six footer that weighs a couple hundred pound or so do it? :) john At 07:04 AM 2/28/2003 -0500, sparkythelad wrote: >I'll take a shot in the dark, and guess that you've misaligned the steering >wheel lock in the ignition switch when you've put things back together. I'm >assuming that this is possibly why you now can't turn the key -- but it's >just a guess. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:22 AM >Subject: what the? > > > > Ok, I pulled the instrument cluster to clean > > contacts... this was a lot harder to get my hands > > in behind there to disconnect the speedo then on my 300D and > > 300SD, but I found an opening on the left side, and if > > I took my coat off I could reach up in there... got > > all the connectors cleaned and back on... > > > > ...then I went to test the lights before buttoning it all > > up and I couldn't turn the key... I wiggled, banged and > > jiggled... that thing ain't going no where no how. > > > > Whazzup? Did the ignition switch get something jammed in > > it while I had the dash out? Did I trip some sort of > > interlock? > > > > Guess I'll be driving the '87 XJ Cherokee to my interview > > tomorrow down in Seattle... sheesh... > > > > Do I need to dismantle the entire dash or just get a big > > hammer? > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > I did rotate the wheel to the right with > > the key out in order to get the cluster out... hmmm... but > > I tried to turn the wheel hard both ways to free it up. > > > > I ordered that repair CD... guess I'll be needing it. :) > > oh well, it pays to have spare vehicles around here... > > > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:31:19 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: '84 300D Turbo -- Window problem -- **FIXED!** I replaced all the fuses in my 300sd with off the shelf glass fuses shortly after I bought the car. It solved a LOT of electrical issues all at once. You can get "german car fuses" at any mcparts store and they dramatically save headaches from several issues that the old fuses suffer from. The german fuses suffer from dissimilar metal corrosion and over time get higher and higher in resistance until your not getting enough juice through them to operate your devices. The only bad thing with the glass fuses is they are a little more sensitive than the older german ones and blow much faster. I have blown a couple already but nothing too horrible. I think the german ones are "slow blowing" and the glass ones are instant blow. None the less they protect my wiring harness a little more than the OEM ones and might save me from a difficult wiring issue from a intermittant short somewhere in the car. Currently the only issue I am having with the new glass fuses is something with my fog lamps. My fog lamps work intermittantly and have some kind of loose connection. Sometimes when I use the fog lamps for a long period of time and go over bumpy roads the fuse that controls them and the passengers side headlight will blow. It happens rarely as not only do I rarely use my foglamps but it rarely happens even when I use them. Robert. On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 04:38 PM, john wrote: > they're selling new style fuses now... glass kind that fit in > place of the ceramics... anyone familiar with them... > > john > > At 01:47 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, Aimino, Michael wrote: >> Several places stock fuse kits. A kit is not a complete set, so you'd >> want to >> order two or three kits to have 'em all (about $2.50 a kit + S&H). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:40 PM >> To: sparkythelad >> Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >> Subject: Re: '84 300D Turbo -- Window problem -- **FIXED!** >> >> >> sparkythelad wrote: >> > >> > The "B" fuse (which IS in the corner of the same fusebox as the >> others!) >> > looked a little grungy, so after cleaning it up I tried the >> windows.....HEY >> > PRESTO! They worked.....New fuses all round are now scheduled. >> > >> *** Can one order a "complete set of fuses" from the usual suspects? >> Without cataloging and ordering them individually? >> >> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:38:09 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Strange smells Hey group, I have a strange problem with my 300SD. I just had my car in for a major service a few weeks ago and I am noticing a coolant smell intermittantly when I drive the car. The car is running at its normal tempature and I cant find any leaks under the hood. I figured they overfilled my cooling system and I was getting the overflow smell through the vents. Its been doing this for about 2 weeks now and I am getting a little concerned. The shop changed all my fluids including brake, PS, Cooling System, Transmission, Differential, and Engine oil. Anybody have this happen to them? The smell is not horribly offensive just concerning. I dont want to be on the side of the road with an overheated Mercedes some day especially when the weather gets warmer. Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:53:41 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Strange smells Hmmmmm, Ill check that next time im in the car. How much of a pain is it to replace a heater core. Now that I think of it the heat thing might make sense. I wonder why the smell appeared when the fluid was changed? R. On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > Robert Chase wrote: >> >> Hey group, >> >> I have a strange problem with my 300SD. I just had my car in for a >> major service a few weeks ago and I am noticing a coolant smell >> intermittantly when I drive the car. The car is running at its normal >> tempature and I cant find any leaks under the hood. I figured they >> overfilled my cooling system and I was getting the overflow smell >> through the vents. Its been doing this for about 2 weeks now and I am >> getting a little concerned. >> > *** How about a leaky heater core? Wouldn't take much, since your > ventilation > air all goes through it. Check the inner windshield above the defroster > vents for glycol slime.... > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:29:58 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: Strange smells The heater core on my '85 Suburban did the same thing when I changed the antifreeze. My mechanic's explanation was that old, dirty antifreeze will sometimes "plug" the holes in a rusty heater core. When you change the antifreeze, the clean solution washes away the dirt that used to plug the holes and, in my case, you get a antifreeze footbath. I was skeptical of his explanation at the time. I'm less skeptical now that I've seen the same thing happen to others. Mike '81 300SD '83 300TD '81 300D On 28 Feb 03, at 16:53, Robert Chase wrote: > Hmmmmm, > > Ill check that next time im in the car. How much of a pain is it to > replace a heater core. Now that I think of it the heat thing might > make sense. I wonder why the smell appeared when the fluid was > changed? > > R. > > > On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > > Robert Chase wrote: > >> > >> Hey group, > >> > >> I have a strange problem with my 300SD. I just had my car in for a > >> major service a few weeks ago and I am noticing a coolant smell > >> intermittantly when I drive the car. The car is running at its > >> normal tempature and I cant find any leaks under the hood. I > >> figured they overfilled my cooling system and I was getting the > >> overflow smell through the vents. Its been doing this for about 2 > >> weeks now and I am getting a little concerned. > >> > > *** How about a leaky heater core? Wouldn't take much, since your > > ventilation air all goes through it. Check the inner windshield > > above the defroster vents for glycol slime.... > > > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:13:47 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Egad! It's stuck in the off, pull the key out, nothing works position. Just ordered all the parts needed from Phil Smart. Stuff should be in on Wednesday. Need to know how to do this... will I need to pull the instrument cluster? Is it like an american ignition where you turn the key and insert a paperclip and pull the cylinder out? Of course not being able to turn the switch is not good... Afraid to damage the key... john At 04:21 PM 2/28/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: >John, > >Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but if you cannot rotate the >ignition switch to the number 1 position the job gets hairy. >So if you do get it to turn, leave it there till the parts arrive. > >If I have to do it the hard way I am going to document it for my website. >I am going to try like the dickens to get her over to number one or the >Sawzall will have to come out. :( > >I will keep you posted as I learn more about this. > > > > >Derick Amburgey >Automated Control Specialist >Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:12:00 -0800 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Strange smells Is the coolant level going down? Get someone to run a pressure test on cooling system -- you should do this when the engine is cold. If it won't hold pressure, you'll have to roll up your sleeves and go to work. My experience is that the two most common causes of coolant leakage are bad radiator caps and over tightened hose clamps. I once saw a screwdriver/torque driver designed so you could tighten the hose clamps to the exact torque recommended by the manufacture. I wish I bought it, I've never seen one since. Occasionally the seal on the water pump goes as a result of the bushing wearing out -- usually a result of over tightened fan belts; they may have done this during the servicing (did they replace any belts?). If you see any leakage around the pump replace it immediately and count yourself lucky. One usually find out their water pump is failing on the first hot day in spring ;-) They may have overfilled the expansion tank (reservoir) and the expanding coolant pushes the excess out. This is not a big deal, just a nuisance. When it's hot check the level and make sure it's not over full. I don't remember if the 300SD has a pressurized expansion tank -- if so, don't open it when it's hot. Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Chase" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: Strange smells > Hey group, > > I have a strange problem with my 300SD. I just had my car in for a > major service a few weeks ago and I am noticing a coolant smell > intermittantly when I drive the car. The car is running at its normal > tempature and I cant find any leaks under the hood. I figured they > overfilled my cooling system and I was getting the overflow smell > through the vents. Its been doing this for about 2 weeks now and I am > getting a little concerned. > > The shop changed all my fluids including brake, PS, Cooling System, > Transmission, Differential, and Engine oil. > > Anybody have this happen to them? The smell is not horribly offensive > just concerning. I dont want to be on the side of the road with an > overheated Mercedes some day especially when the weather gets warmer. > > Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:42:28 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Strange smells it could be that coolant ended up in pockets on the block or motor... very common... when it's not hot rinse the motor off with water and it'll probably stop. Before you do though check around hoses and the t-stat to make sure it's not weeping... john At 04:38 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, Robert Chase wrote: >Hey group, > >I have a strange problem with my 300SD. I just had my car in for a major - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:50:18 -0800 From: john Subject: die Toten 190D... Ludwig ist krank. Kaput. Nicht fahren. :) I disconnected the battery... looks like many of my electrical problems will be traced to that ignition switch. I may remove the Alarm system too. I mean who in their right mind is going to steal an '85 190D anyway? Wouldn't make a good getaway car, not much fun for joyriding... so... out it comes... :) Ordered over $500 bucks worth of parts... One benefit is I get a new key out of the deal. ;) New hood strut, two of those nice folding cup holders, a vacuum gizmo for the door, power antenna and grommet and something else... adds up in a hurry. If the car weren't out of commission I would have bought from Rusty... :) Drove the Jeep ('87 xj) down to Seattle... interview went well and I got a call for an even better job closer to home, possible interview on Monday... :) PTL. later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:54:49 -0800 From: john Subject: stuck in off... Derick, What about using a slide hammer to extract the old lock assy? Hey, it works for car thiefs... or did the Germans do something to keep that from being successful? I'll check with a locksmith friend... john At 04:21 PM 2/28/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: >John, >Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but if you cannot rotate the >ignition switch to the number 1 position the job gets hairy. >So if you do get it to turn, leave it there till the parts arrive. >If I have to do it the hard way I am going to document it for my website. >I am going to try like the dickens to get her over to number one or the >Sawzall will have to come out. :( >I will keep you posted as I learn more about this. >Derick Amburgey >Automated Control Specialist >Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:23:23 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Check this out, I am going to try it. At 09:11 PM 2/28/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=37927 interesting... great minds think alike... I was going to keep trying to force it... the jig saw idea might work... I'm going to spray some lube in there as well... I'll get it, hopefully without destroying the dash... had a job interview in Seattle today, had to drive my '87 cherokee... another interview up the road hopefully, the job closer to home is my preference, would be awesome, reverse commute almost 90% highway. :) Ludwig will like that commute... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 06:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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