From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #901 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 901 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: Odorless Aircraft Remover Freedoms (was Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover) Re: Freedoms (was Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover) Re: Strange grinding noise in the rear Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:39:18 -0700 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: Odorless Aircraft Remover AMEN!!! JC Jones http://www.jtruck.net http://www.wagoneer.net 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1987 Grand Wagoneer 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" * * * * * =================== "They that can give up * * * * =================== essential liberty to * * * * * =================== obtain a little ============================= temporary safety ============================= deserve neither ============================= liberty nor safety." ============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net - -> [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Robert Chase - -> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:02 PM - -> To: Derickam AA - -> Cc: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net - -> Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover - -> - -> - -> LOL, - -> - -> Hell with the way we are going now you will eventually have - -> to show up - -> to a designated area naked and be completely restrained for - -> your flight - -> and ship your luggage UPS or Fedex. - -> - -> Anyone have to stop and have their Civil Rights violated with a car - -> search at the airport yet? I drove by one of the search - -> locations and - -> they did not give you any "exit" out of their search. I - -> would rather - -> die a painful death at the hands of a terrorist than have my rights - -> taken away by the government trying to protect me. :( - -> - -> R. - -> - -> - -> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, Derickam AA wrote: - -> - -> > DO NOT bring it to the airport in your carry on luggage. :) - -> > - -> > - -> > - -> > Derick Amburgey - -> > Automated Control Specialist - -> > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System - -> > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX - -> > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector - -> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi - -> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi - -> > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi - -> > - -> > - -> > - -> > - -> > - -> > ----Original Message Follows---- - -> > From: Robert Chase - -> > To: john - -> > CC: "Tom Scordato" , - -> - -> > Subject: Re: Under Coating - -> > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:36:05 -0500 - -> > - -> > Dunno, - -> > - -> > I think its probably aircraft quality paint remover but the can - -> > litterally says "odorless aircraft remover" and has a - -> photo of a big - -> > generic commercial airliner. - -> > - -> > Im sure you could find a can in your local wally world. - -> > - -> > - -> > R. - -> > - -> > On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:47 PM, john wrote: - -> > - -> >> was this a mistranslation? or is it a gag gift??? that - -> would be a - -> >> cool picture to see... - -> >> - -> >> john - -> >> - -> >> At 06:28 PM 3/1/2003 -0500, Robert Chase wrote: - -> >>> small spray can...... Although it was sitting next to a can of - -> >>> "odorless aircraft remover" which I found quite comical. - -> Guess you - -> >>> just sprinkle a little of this on any pesky aircraft you - -> need removed - -> >>> and there is not even a smell during the removal - -> process. Guess Ill - -> >>> pick up a can for my local FBO for the "late night landers" that - -> >>> leave their planes in any tie down space they can find. - -> - -> >> - -> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ - -> >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ - -> >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - -> >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -> >> - -> ------------------------------------------------------------------- - -> > - -> > - -> > _________________________________________________________________ - -> > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* - -> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - -> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:34:02 +1000 From: Guy Carpenter Subject: Freedoms (was Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover) The US has always been the anomaly in my experience; most of the rest of the world seems to be subject to random inspections and arbitrary privacy invasions. I guess that makes the current losses of freedom even more tragic - the US was the model many of us held up as a workable alternative. Fortunately the US population is well aware of the value of their rights, and they won't go willingly into the dark night. Guy. At 12:19 PM 2/03/2003 -0800, hue wong wrote: >Ya, I have yet to hear of any provissions to this. >And I heard that as an individual you won't have >access to this info as it's a "security concern" if >you do. > >Mighty strange times we live in indeed. > > >--- Paul Schwartz wrote: > > The real problem is going to be what happens when > > bad information is > > attached to your record. How will you know? Will > > you have access to your > > own information? How will you appeal incorrect info? > > There are no provisions > > for this. > > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "hue wong" > > To: "Robert Chase" ; > > "Derickam AA" > > > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:33 AM > > Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover > > > > > > > hear, hear! > > > > > > I keep thinking..."they have already won" They > > being > > > the T's. Each day I hear more and more of our > > rights > > > and freedoms being eroaded. Seems like the exact > > > results the T's wanted, to take away our freedoms. > > I > > > actually just learned that allot of these things > > were > > > already singed into law under the Patriot Act and > > are > > > just slowly being rolled out. > > > > > > The new one I like is the Airport background check > > > that they are implementing. They roll through > > > everthing about you that is stored online, your > > bank > > > account and spending habits, your credit report, > > your > > > 6 month travel history, even your magazine > > > subscriptions!!!! (and by some reports your > > purching > > > history with your grociery club card) Then based > > on > > > this info you are assigned a security rating of > > green, > > > (ok to board the plane with no further adue) > > yellow > > > (needs additional screening and special seating on > > the > > > plane) or red (can't board plane and are taken to > > a > > > small back room) > > > United is the first to adopt the system, with all > > > major airlines having to adopting the system by > > the > > > end of the year. > > > > > > Scary stuff... as a Datbase developer, I know the > > > trouble that will be caused with crosslinked > > fields! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Robert Chase wrote: > > > > LOL, > > > > > > > > Hell with the way we are going now you will > > > > eventually have to show up > > > > to a designated area naked and be completely > > > > restrained for your flight > > > > and ship your luggage UPS or Fedex. > > > > > > > > Anyone have to stop and have their Civil Rights > > > > violated with a car > > > > search at the airport yet? I drove by one of > > the > > > > search locations and > > > > they did not give you any "exit" out of their > > > > search. I would rather > > > > die a painful death at the hands of a terrorist > > than > > > > have my rights > > > > taken away by the government trying to protect > > me. > > > > :( > > > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, > > Derickam AA > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > DO NOT bring it to the airport in your carry > > on > > > > luggage. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick Amburgey > > > > > Automated Control Specialist > > > > > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train > > > > System > > > > > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > > > > > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > > > > > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > > > > > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi > > > > > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > From: Robert Chase > > > > > To: john > > > > > CC: "Tom Scordato" , > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Under Coating > > > > > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:36:05 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > Dunno, > > > > > > > > > > I think its probably aircraft quality paint > > > > remover but the can > > > > > litterally says "odorless aircraft remover" > > and > > > > has a photo of a big > > > > > generic commercial airliner. > > > > > > > > > > Im sure you could find a can in your local > > wally > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:47 PM, john > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> was this a mistranslation? or is it a gag > > > > gift??? that would > > > > >> be a cool picture to see... > > > > >> > > > > >> john > > > > >> > > > > >> At 06:28 PM 3/1/2003 -0500, Robert Chase > > wrote: > > > > >>> small spray can...... Although it was > > sitting > > > > next to a can of > > > > >>> "odorless aircraft remover" which I found > > quite > > > > comical. Guess you > > > > >>> just sprinkle a little of this on any pesky > > > > aircraft you need removed > > > > >>> and there is not even a smell during the > > removal > > > > process. Guess Ill > > > > >>> pick up a can for my local FBO for the "late > > > > night landers" that > > > > >>> leave their planes in any tie down space > > they > > > > can find. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, > > > > they mold... > > > > >> jesus, don't leave life without him, > > > > please! > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 > > > > months FREE* > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Freedoms (was Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover) I agree, problem being, is that every day, a little more slip out the door. One of these days the masses will wake up, but alas it will be far to late. Have you read the entire Patriot Act? By the time we realize what's happening and go to stop it, the Patriot Act is already in place to deal with such actions. And it aint pretty! Makes me wonder who we are protecting ourselfs from. I personaly feel that it's the price of freedom to take a plane or two in a building and that is a cost I am willing to pay, if it means I still get to travel freely, without "papers" and have an expectation that my home and property will not be subject to the whims of the "state" in a cry to do the best for the masses. Anyway, it's a moot point now, the law has already been passed... Guess.. I better get the desiels lubed up as my credit report will probably disqualify me from flying anywhere, anytime soon. - -hue- - --- Guy Carpenter wrote: > The US has always been the anomaly > in my experience; most of the rest of the world > seems to be subject to random inspections and > arbitrary > privacy invasions. > > I guess that makes the current losses of freedom > even more tragic - the US was the model many of > us held up as a workable alternative. Fortunately > the > US population is well aware of the value of their > rights, > and they won't go willingly into the dark night. > > Guy. > > > > At 12:19 PM 2/03/2003 -0800, hue wong wrote: > >Ya, I have yet to hear of any provissions to this. > >And I heard that as an individual you won't have > >access to this info as it's a "security concern" if > >you do. > > > >Mighty strange times we live in indeed. > > > > > >--- Paul Schwartz wrote: > > > The real problem is going to be what happens > when > > > bad information is > > > attached to your record. How will you know? > Will > > > you have access to your > > > own information? How will you appeal incorrect > info? > > > There are no provisions > > > for this. > > > > > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "hue wong" > > > To: "Robert Chase" ; > > > "Derickam AA" > > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:33 AM > > > Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover > > > > > > > > > > hear, hear! > > > > > > > > I keep thinking..."they have already won" > They > > > being > > > > the T's. Each day I hear more and more of our > > > rights > > > > and freedoms being eroaded. Seems like the > exact > > > > results the T's wanted, to take away our > freedoms. > > > I > > > > actually just learned that allot of these > things > > > were > > > > already singed into law under the Patriot Act > and > > > are > > > > just slowly being rolled out. > > > > > > > > The new one I like is the Airport background > check > > > > that they are implementing. They roll through > > > > everthing about you that is stored online, > your > > > bank > > > > account and spending habits, your credit > report, > > > your > > > > 6 month travel history, even your magazine > > > > subscriptions!!!! (and by some reports your > > > purching > > > > history with your grociery club card) Then > based > > > on > > > > this info you are assigned a security rating > of > > > green, > > > > (ok to board the plane with no further adue) > > > yellow > > > > (needs additional screening and special > seating on > > > the > > > > plane) or red (can't board plane and are taken > to > > > a > > > > small back room) > > > > United is the first to adopt the system, with > all > > > > major airlines having to adopting the system > by > > > the > > > > end of the year. > > > > > > > > Scary stuff... as a Datbase developer, I know > the > > > > trouble that will be caused with crosslinked > > > fields! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Robert Chase > wrote: > > > > > LOL, > > > > > > > > > > Hell with the way we are going now you will > > > > > eventually have to show up > > > > > to a designated area naked and be completely > > > > > restrained for your flight > > > > > and ship your luggage UPS or Fedex. > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have to stop and have their Civil > Rights > > > > > violated with a car > > > > > search at the airport yet? I drove by one > of > > > the > > > > > search locations and > > > > > they did not give you any "exit" out of > their > > > > > search. I would rather > > > > > die a painful death at the hands of a > terrorist > > > than > > > > > have my rights > > > > > taken away by the government trying to > protect > > > me. > > > > > :( > > > > > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, > > > Derickam AA > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > DO NOT bring it to the airport in your > carry > > > on > > > > > luggage. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick Amburgey > > > > > > Automated Control Specialist > > > > > > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite > Train > > > > > System > > > > > > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > > > > > > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > > > > > > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > > > > > > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi > > > > > > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > From: Robert Chase > > > > > > > To: john > > > > > > CC: "Tom Scordato" , > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Under Coating > > > > > > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:36:05 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dunno, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think its probably aircraft quality > paint > > > > > remover but the can > > > > > > litterally says "odorless aircraft > remover" > > > and > > > > > has a photo of a big > > > > > > generic commercial airliner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Im sure you could find a can in your local > > > wally > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:47 PM, > john > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> was this a mistranslation? or is it a > gag > === message truncated === Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:29:49 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: Strange grinding noise in the rear Having replaced both, I think a U-joint is a far easier repair. The outdoor part is only about half, if I recall correctly. Once you remove the carrier, you can get to a workbench (or take it to a shop) to have the bearings replaced. Easy to diagnose also. If there is any play between the connected driveline parts, the U-joint is bad. Greg At 12:16 PM 3/2/03 , hue wong wrote: >MMMM. > >Well I have a strange grinding noise in my right rear >wheel assembly on a '71 280 sel that comes and goes >about 40 mph. > >I was hoping it was something simple like a wheel >bering, or rubbing breakshoe but alas, a few of you >all are pointing me towards a ujoint. (Which was my >fear all along, that it was something in the >transmition or transalxes) > >Any ideas how much of a proce$$ that may be to get >repaired? Since I'm currently garageless I'll have to >take it into a shop, but I always like to know going >in the whats and wheres about a project so I don't >snookered! > >Thanx >-hue- >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:06:25 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover One of the reasons why I want out of the IT industry. When I worked for Silicon Graphics I regularly dealt with cases that involved classified machines that I had no idea what they did. I would really have a problem knowingly working with a machine that invaded my privacy and my Civil Rights. Then again we should probably watch what we say because America is slowly turning into a police state and programs like Carnivore regularly go through e-mail. None of us want a trip to room 101 for evaluation of our political beliefs do we? R. On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 02:33 PM, hue wong wrote: > hear, hear! > > I keep thinking..."they have already won" They being > the T's. Each day I hear more and more of our rights > and freedoms being eroaded. Seems like the exact > results the T's wanted, to take away our freedoms. I > actually just learned that allot of these things were > already singed into law under the Patriot Act and are > just slowly being rolled out. > > The new one I like is the Airport background check > that they are implementing. They roll through > everthing about you that is stored online, your bank > account and spending habits, your credit report, your > 6 month travel history, even your magazine > subscriptions!!!! (and by some reports your purching > history with your grociery club card) Then based on > this info you are assigned a security rating of green, > (ok to board the plane with no further adue) yellow > (needs additional screening and special seating on the > plane) or red (can't board plane and are taken to a > small back room) > United is the first to adopt the system, with all > major airlines having to adopting the system by the > end of the year. > > Scary stuff... as a Datbase developer, I know the > trouble that will be caused with crosslinked fields! > > > > --- Robert Chase wrote: >> LOL, >> >> Hell with the way we are going now you will >> eventually have to show up >> to a designated area naked and be completely >> restrained for your flight >> and ship your luggage UPS or Fedex. >> >> Anyone have to stop and have their Civil Rights >> violated with a car >> search at the airport yet? I drove by one of the >> search locations and >> they did not give you any "exit" out of their >> search. I would rather >> die a painful death at the hands of a terrorist than >> have my rights >> taken away by the government trying to protect me. >> :( >> >> R. >> >> >> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, Derickam AA >> wrote: >> >>> DO NOT bring it to the airport in your carry on >> luggage. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Derick Amburgey >>> Automated Control Specialist >>> Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train >> System >>> Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >>> List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >>> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >>> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >>> 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>> From: Robert Chase >>> To: john >>> CC: "Tom Scordato" , >> >>> Subject: Re: Under Coating >>> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:36:05 -0500 >>> >>> Dunno, >>> >>> I think its probably aircraft quality paint >> remover but the can >>> litterally says "odorless aircraft remover" and >> has a photo of a big >>> generic commercial airliner. >>> >>> Im sure you could find a can in your local wally >> world. >>> >>> >>> R. >>> >>> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:47 PM, john >> wrote: >>> >>>> was this a mistranslation? or is it a gag >> gift??? that would >>>> be a cool picture to see... >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> At 06:28 PM 3/1/2003 -0500, Robert Chase wrote: >>>>> small spray can...... Although it was sitting >> next to a can of >>>>> "odorless aircraft remover" which I found quite >> comical. Guess you >>>>> just sprinkle a little of this on any pesky >> aircraft you need removed >>>>> and there is not even a smell during the removal >> process. Guess Ill >>>>> pick up a can for my local FBO for the "late >> night landers" that >>>>> leave their planes in any tie down space they >> can find. >>>> >>>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, >> they mold... >>>> jesus, don't leave life without him, >> please! >>>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 >> months FREE* >>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > Yahoo! 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