From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #902 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 902 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:15:14 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover Hmmmm What are their "flags" to determine if someone is a risk? I have a FAA First Class Medical on the books so therefore its deductive logic that I can fly an airplane. Does that make me an additional risk to the safety of the flight? Also what corrolation does someones credit report have to do with their threat level? If I miss a payment on my Master Card does that make me someone more capable of killing innocent people? I can understand "somewhat" someone with no credit history might be a little concerning, however the problem is that different people look at credit differently. Eventually we will get to the point where we have technology like in the movie Minority Report and a simple thing like putting a stamp on the wrong way while paying your bills will land you enough points in their computer systems to be a "serious threat" and land you in jail.... Hmmm Anybody else think that George Bush is a bigger threat than Saddam Hussain? On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 03:19 PM, hue wong wrote: > Ya, I have yet to hear of any provissions to this. > And I heard that as an individual you won't have > access to this info as it's a "security concern" if > you do. > > Mighty strange times we live in indeed. > > > --- Paul Schwartz wrote: >> The real problem is going to be what happens when >> bad information is >> attached to your record. How will you know? Will >> you have access to your >> own information? How will you appeal incorrect info? >> There are no provisions >> for this. >> >> Paul >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "hue wong" >> To: "Robert Chase" ; >> "Derickam AA" >> >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:33 AM >> Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover >> >> >>> hear, hear! >>> >>> I keep thinking..."they have already won" They >> being >>> the T's. Each day I hear more and more of our >> rights >>> and freedoms being eroaded. Seems like the exact >>> results the T's wanted, to take away our freedoms. >> I >>> actually just learned that allot of these things >> were >>> already singed into law under the Patriot Act and >> are >>> just slowly being rolled out. >>> >>> The new one I like is the Airport background check >>> that they are implementing. They roll through >>> everthing about you that is stored online, your >> bank >>> account and spending habits, your credit report, >> your >>> 6 month travel history, even your magazine >>> subscriptions!!!! (and by some reports your >> purching >>> history with your grociery club card) Then based >> on >>> this info you are assigned a security rating of >> green, >>> (ok to board the plane with no further adue) >> yellow >>> (needs additional screening and special seating on >> the >>> plane) or red (can't board plane and are taken to >> a >>> small back room) >>> United is the first to adopt the system, with all >>> major airlines having to adopting the system by >> the >>> end of the year. >>> >>> Scary stuff... as a Datbase developer, I know the >>> trouble that will be caused with crosslinked >> fields! >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Robert Chase wrote: >>>> LOL, >>>> >>>> Hell with the way we are going now you will >>>> eventually have to show up >>>> to a designated area naked and be completely >>>> restrained for your flight >>>> and ship your luggage UPS or Fedex. >>>> >>>> Anyone have to stop and have their Civil Rights >>>> violated with a car >>>> search at the airport yet? I drove by one of >> the >>>> search locations and >>>> they did not give you any "exit" out of their >>>> search. I would rather >>>> die a painful death at the hands of a terrorist >> than >>>> have my rights >>>> taken away by the government trying to protect >> me. >>>> :( >>>> >>>> R. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, >> Derickam AA >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> DO NOT bring it to the airport in your carry >> on >>>> luggage. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Derick Amburgey >>>>> Automated Control Specialist >>>>> Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train >>>> System >>>>> Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >>>>> List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >>>>> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >>>>> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >>>>> 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>>>> From: Robert Chase >>>>> To: john >>>>> CC: "Tom Scordato" , >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Under Coating >>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:36:05 -0500 >>>>> >>>>> Dunno, >>>>> >>>>> I think its probably aircraft quality paint >>>> remover but the can >>>>> litterally says "odorless aircraft remover" >> and >>>> has a photo of a big >>>>> generic commercial airliner. >>>>> >>>>> Im sure you could find a can in your local >> wally >>>> world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> R. >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:47 PM, john >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> was this a mistranslation? or is it a gag >>>> gift??? that would >>>>>> be a cool picture to see... >>>>>> >>>>>> john >>>>>> >>>>>> At 06:28 PM 3/1/2003 -0500, Robert Chase >> wrote: >>>>>>> small spray can...... Although it was >> sitting >>>> next to a can of >>>>>>> "odorless aircraft remover" which I found >> quite >>>> comical. Guess you >>>>>>> just sprinkle a little of this on any pesky >>>> aircraft you need removed >>>>>>> and there is not even a smell during the >> removal >>>> process. Guess Ill >>>>>>> pick up a can for my local FBO for the "late >>>> night landers" that >>>>>>> leave their planes in any tie down space >> they >>>> can find. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>>>>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, >>>> they mold... >>>>>> jesus, don't leave life without him, >>>> please! >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 >>>> months FREE* >>>>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >>> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >>> http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:39:38 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover the question is, who is really behind all this "homeland security" stuff? who's the master mind? I doubt George W is driving this bus, it's been enroute for some time before he came on the scene. all I know is I won't fly unless I absolutely have no alternative. john At 11:15 PM 3/2/2003 -0500, Robert Chase wrote: >Hmmmm > >What are their "flags" to determine if someone is a risk? I have a FAA >First Class Medical on the books so therefore its deductive logic that I >can fly an airplane. Does that make me an additional risk to the safety >of the flight? Also what corrolation does someones credit report have to >do with their threat level? If I miss a payment on my Master Card does >that make me someone more capable of killing innocent people? I can >understand "somewhat" someone with no credit history might be a little >concerning, however the problem is that different people look at credit >differently. Eventually we will get to the point where we have technology >like in the movie Minority Report and a simple thing like putting a stamp >on the wrong way while paying your bills will land you enough points in >their computer systems to be a "serious threat" and land you in jail.... > >Hmmm Anybody else think that George Bush is a bigger threat than Saddam >Hussain? > > >On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 03:19 PM, hue wong wrote: > >>Ya, I have yet to hear of any provissions to this. >>And I heard that as an individual you won't have >>access to this info as it's a "security concern" if >>you do. >> >>Mighty strange times we live in indeed. >> >> >>--- Paul Schwartz wrote: >>>The real problem is going to be what happens when >>>bad information is >>>attached to your record. How will you know? Will >>>you have access to your >>>own information? How will you appeal incorrect info? >>>There are no provisions >>>for this. >>> >>>Paul >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "hue wong" >>>To: "Robert Chase" ; >>>"Derickam AA" >>> >>>Cc: >>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:33 AM >>>Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover >>> >>> >>>>hear, hear! >>>> >>>>I keep thinking..."they have already won" They >>>being >>>>the T's. Each day I hear more and more of our >>>rights >>>>and freedoms being eroaded. Seems like the exact >>>>results the T's wanted, to take away our freedoms. >>> I >>>>actually just learned that allot of these things >>>were >>>>already singed into law under the Patriot Act and >>>are >>>>just slowly being rolled out. >>>> >>>>The new one I like is the Airport background check >>>>that they are implementing. They roll through >>>>everthing about you that is stored online, your >>>bank >>>>account and spending habits, your credit report, >>>your >>>>6 month travel history, even your magazine >>>>subscriptions!!!! (and by some reports your >>>purching >>>>history with your grociery club card) Then based >>>on >>>>this info you are assigned a security rating of >>>green, >>>>(ok to board the plane with no further adue) >>>yellow >>>>(needs additional screening and special seating on >>>the >>>>plane) or red (can't board plane and are taken to >>>a >>>>small back room) >>>>United is the first to adopt the system, with all >>>>major airlines having to adopting the system by >>>the >>>>end of the year. >>>> >>>>Scary stuff... as a Datbase developer, I know the >>>>trouble that will be caused with crosslinked >>>fields! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- Robert Chase wrote: >>>>>LOL, >>>>> >>>>>Hell with the way we are going now you will >>>>>eventually have to show up >>>>>to a designated area naked and be completely >>>>>restrained for your flight >>>>>and ship your luggage UPS or Fedex. >>>>> >>>>>Anyone have to stop and have their Civil Rights >>>>>violated with a car >>>>>search at the airport yet? I drove by one of >>>the >>>>>search locations and >>>>>they did not give you any "exit" out of their >>>>>search. I would rather >>>>>die a painful death at the hands of a terrorist >>>than >>>>>have my rights >>>>>taken away by the government trying to protect >>>me. >>>>>:( >>>>> >>>>>R. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, >>>Derickam AA >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>DO NOT bring it to the airport in your carry >>>on >>>>>luggage. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Derick Amburgey >>>>>>Automated Control Specialist >>>>>>Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train >>>>>System >>>>>>Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >>>>>>List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >>>>>>1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >>>>>>1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >>>>>>1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----Original Message Follows---- >>>>>>From: Robert Chase >>>>>>To: john >>>>>>CC: "Tom Scordato" , >>>>> >>>>>>Subject: Re: Under Coating >>>>>>Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:36:05 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>>Dunno, >>>>>> >>>>>>I think its probably aircraft quality paint >>>>>remover but the can >>>>>>litterally says "odorless aircraft remover" >>>and >>>>>has a photo of a big >>>>>>generic commercial airliner. >>>>>> >>>>>>Im sure you could find a can in your local >>>wally >>>>>world. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>R. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:47 PM, john >>>>>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>was this a mistranslation? or is it a gag >>>>>gift??? that would >>>>>>>be a cool picture to see... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>john >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At 06:28 PM 3/1/2003 -0500, Robert Chase >>>wrote: >>>>>>>>small spray can...... Although it was >>>sitting >>>>>next to a can of >>>>>>>>"odorless aircraft remover" which I found >>>quite >>>>>comical. Guess you >>>>>>>>just sprinkle a little of this on any pesky >>>>>aircraft you need removed >>>>>>>>and there is not even a smell during the >>>removal >>>>>process. Guess Ill >>>>>>>>pick up a can for my local FBO for the "late >>>>>night landers" that >>>>>>>>leave their planes in any tie down space >>>they >>>>>can find. >>>>>>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>>>>>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, >>>>>they mold... >>>>>>> jesus, don't leave life without him, >>>>>please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 >>>>>months FREE* >>>>>>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >>>>Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >>>>http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >>Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >>http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover >Hmmm Anybody else think that George Bush is a bigger >threat than Saddam > Hussain? - --- Nope, not at all. I may not agree with the means, but I sure do agree with the ends..... and the ends are getting the following out of a mad mans hands: 300,000 liters of VX 39,000 liters of Anthrax 410,000 liters of Botuli 12 (mercedes benz oddly enough) mobile chem labs. No less then two (2) documented assasination attempts on a US president directly funded by Iraqie moneys. The payout of $30.000 (us) to the families of any suicide bomber who kills Isralli or American citizens. Let's also not forget the 310 (minus the 26 they have destroyed over the weekend) Al Samoud missles with 529 spare Soviet SS-2 rocket engines. The same engines that can be swapped out with a Scud in under 40 minutes, giving the Scuds a 450 mile range nor let us forget the 11 UN security resolutions that have not been abided by since the end of the First Gulf war. All this from a man who has no problem using any of these weapons. Just as the Kurds or the Iranians (who also have HUGE stockpiles of chem and bio weapons, but that is a war for another day, me thinks..) VX nerve agent is a very BAD, BAD way to die and makes me wonder how the world can overlook it all and blame us for being war mongers... Still, it seems like strange times indeed. If we had only had someone other then the bumbeling George Jr. who could lead us through this.... And remember after another year or so, we can quietly vote old George Jr. right out of there and hopefully repeal some of this Patriot Act nonsence. Anyway, I expect the boot at the door any moment, I can quietly hear carnivore gnawing about... ;-) Hue Wong 19800 #E201 Seattle Wa 98107 USA - --- Robert Chase wrote: > Hmmmm > > What are their "flags" to determine if someone is a > risk? I have a FAA > First Class Medical on the books so therefore its > deductive logic that I > can fly an airplane. Does that make me an > additional risk to the safety > of the flight? Also what corrolation does someones > credit report have to > do with their threat level? If I miss a payment on > my Master Card does > that make me someone more capable of killing > innocent people? I can > understand "somewhat" someone with no credit history > might be a little > concerning, however the problem is that different > people look at credit > differently. Eventually we will get to the point > where we have > technology like in the movie Minority Report and a > simple thing like > putting a stamp on the wrong way while paying your > bills will land you > enough points in their computer systems to be a > "serious threat" and > land you in jail.... > > Hmmm Anybody else think that George Bush is a bigger > threat than Saddam > Hussain? > > > On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 03:19 PM, hue wong > wrote: > > > Ya, I have yet to hear of any provissions to this. > > And I heard that as an individual you won't have > > access to this info as it's a "security concern" > if > > you do. > > > > Mighty strange times we live in indeed. > > > > > > --- Paul Schwartz wrote: > >> The real problem is going to be what happens when > >> bad information is > >> attached to your record. How will you know? Will > >> you have access to your > >> own information? How will you appeal incorrect > info? > >> There are no provisions > >> for this. > >> > >> Paul > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "hue wong" > >> To: "Robert Chase" ; > >> "Derickam AA" > >> > >> Cc: > >> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:33 AM > >> Subject: Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover > >> > >> > >>> hear, hear! > >>> > >>> I keep thinking..."they have already won" They > >> being > >>> the T's. Each day I hear more and more of our > >> rights > >>> and freedoms being eroaded. Seems like the > exact > >>> results the T's wanted, to take away our > freedoms. > >> I > >>> actually just learned that allot of these things > >> were > >>> already singed into law under the Patriot Act > and > >> are > >>> just slowly being rolled out. > >>> > >>> The new one I like is the Airport background > check > >>> that they are implementing. They roll through > >>> everthing about you that is stored online, your > >> bank > >>> account and spending habits, your credit report, > >> your > >>> 6 month travel history, even your magazine > >>> subscriptions!!!! (and by some reports your > >> purching > >>> history with your grociery club card) Then based > >> on > >>> this info you are assigned a security rating of > >> green, > >>> (ok to board the plane with no further adue) > >> yellow > >>> (needs additional screening and special seating > on > >> the > >>> plane) or red (can't board plane and are taken > to > >> a > >>> small back room) > >>> United is the first to adopt the system, with > all > >>> major airlines having to adopting the system by > >> the > >>> end of the year. > >>> > >>> Scary stuff... as a Datbase developer, I know > the > >>> trouble that will be caused with crosslinked > >> fields! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- Robert Chase > wrote: > >>>> LOL, > >>>> > >>>> Hell with the way we are going now you will > >>>> eventually have to show up > >>>> to a designated area naked and be completely > >>>> restrained for your flight > >>>> and ship your luggage UPS or Fedex. > >>>> > >>>> Anyone have to stop and have their Civil Rights > >>>> violated with a car > >>>> search at the airport yet? I drove by one of > >> the > >>>> search locations and > >>>> they did not give you any "exit" out of their > >>>> search. I would rather > >>>> die a painful death at the hands of a terrorist > >> than > >>>> have my rights > >>>> taken away by the government trying to protect > >> me. > >>>> :( > >>>> > >>>> R. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 07:39 PM, > >> Derickam AA > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> DO NOT bring it to the airport in your carry > >> on > >>>> luggage. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Derick Amburgey > >>>>> Automated Control Specialist > >>>>> Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train > >>>> System > >>>>> Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > >>>>> List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > >>>>> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > >>>>> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi > >>>>> 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----Original Message Follows---- > >>>>> From: Robert Chase > >>>>> To: john > >>>>> CC: "Tom Scordato" , > >>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Under Coating > >>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:36:05 -0500 > >>>>> > >>>>> Dunno, > >>>>> > >>>>> I think its probably aircraft quality paint > >>>> remover but the can > >>>>> litterally says "odorless aircraft remover" > >> and > >>>> has a photo of a big > >>>>> generic commercial airliner. > >>>>> > >>>>> Im sure you could find a can in your local > >> wally > >>>> world. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> R. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 06:47 PM, john > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> was this a mistranslation? or is it a gag > >>>> gift??? that would > >>>>>> be a cool picture to see... > === message truncated === Yahoo! 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