From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #905 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, March 4 2003 Volume 01 : Number 905 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: Freedoms (was Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover) Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) Re: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) fuels after the apocalypse Alternative fuels Re: fuels after the apocalypse Re: fuels after the apocalypse Re: fuels after the apocalypse Re: Alternative fuels one of the reasons I like older Benzes Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes RE: Alternative fuels Re: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:41:51 -0700 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: Freedoms (was Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover) Are we sure it's not too late already? Seems to me that over the last 15 years or so our constitutional rights have been so badly erroded that I'm not sure there is a way to restore them short of a repeat of the actions of a few very brave folks over 2 centuries ago. JC Jones - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of hue wong Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:11 PM To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Freedoms (was Re: Odorless Aircraft Remover) I agree, problem being, is that every day, a little more slip out the door. One of these days the masses will wake up, but alas it will be far to late. Have you read the entire Patriot Act? By the time we realize what's happening and go to stop it, the Patriot Act is already in place to deal with such actions. And it aint pretty! Makes me wonder who we are protecting ourselfs from. I personaly feel that it's the price of freedom to take a plane or two in a building and that is a cost I am willing to pay, if it means I still get to travel freely, without "papers" and have an expectation that my home and property will not be subject to the whims of the "state" in a cry to do the best for the masses. Anyway, it's a moot point now, the law has already been passed... Guess.. I better get the desiels lubed up as my credit report will probably disqualify me from flying anywhere, anytime soon. - -hue- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:17:54 -0800 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) Hello Fellow Listers, My Co-worker Chris has a 1975 Spitfire here is the link: http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/Spitfire/ Please contact him directly at: cspisak-at-comcast.net I know the last 2 owners of this car and they took care of it. Please no questions to me ask Chris, thank you. :) Derick _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:21:45 -0800 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) Oh yeah did I mention it was FOR SALE....duh.. Heh. :) Hello Fellow Listers, My Co-worker Chris has a 1975 Spitfire here is the link: http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/Spitfire/ Please contact him directly at: cspisak-at-comcast.net I know the last 2 owners of this car and they took care of it. Please no questions to me ask Chris, thank you. :) Derick Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Derickam AA" To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net CC: cspisak-at-comcast.net Subject: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:17:54 -0800 Hello Fellow Listers, My Co-worker Chris has a 1975 Spitfire here is the link: http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/Spitfire/ Please contact him directly at: cspisak-at-comcast.net I know the last 2 owners of this car and they took care of it. Please no questions to me ask Chris, thank you. :) Derick _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:52:57 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) AHHHH this brings back the memories. I had one of these (in green) when I was 19... That was a fun summer... - --- Derickam AA wrote: > Oh yeah did I mention it was FOR SALE....duh.. > > Heh. :) > > > > Hello Fellow Listers, > > My Co-worker Chris has a 1975 Spitfire here is the > link: > > http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/Spitfire/ > > Please contact him directly at: > > cspisak-at-comcast.net > > I know the last 2 owners of this car and they took > care of it. > Please no questions to me ask Chris, thank you. :) > > Derick > > > > > Derick Amburgey > Automated Control Specialist > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train > System > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Derickam AA" > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > CC: cspisak-at-comcast.net > Subject: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a > brit sled (non-diesel) > Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:17:54 -0800 > > Hello Fellow Listers, > > My Co-worker Chris has a 1975 Spitfire here is the > link: > > http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/Spitfire/ > > Please contact him directly at: > > cspisak-at-comcast.net > > I know the last 2 owners of this car and they took > care of it. > Please no questions to me ask Chris, thank you. :) > > Derick > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: fuels after the apocalypse Ok, So I have a a bit of clouded perception of what types of alternative fuels I can use in my desel. Can I run: Karosene? Rape seed oil? Hygrade vegitable oil? Lamp oil? Will any of these work? Do I have to cut them with diesel? If I run something like this will I always have to run it afterwards? Not that I intend to, but I'm just curious. - -hue- Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:26:08 -0800 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Alternative fuels I bought this book it has the info you need. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0970722702/qid=1046737461/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-5503625-7522231 I am going to do some expierimenting later this year with "Charity". Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi - ----Original Message Follows---- From: hue wong To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: fuels after the apocalypse Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) Ok, So I have a a bit of clouded perception of what types of alternative fuels I can use in my desel. Can I run: Karosene? Rape seed oil? Hygrade vegitable oil? Lamp oil? Will any of these work? Do I have to cut them with diesel? If I run something like this will I always have to run it afterwards? Not that I intend to, but I'm just curious. - -hue- Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:18:05 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: fuels after the apocalypse Kerosene and lamp oil will need to be cut with diesel. The vegetable oils can be used directly, but they will cause deposits and will gel in cold weather. But take heart, you can turn almost any organic oil into real diesel fuel with a bit of lye and ethanol, you can find plenty of recipes on the net. The byproduct is glycerine, which can be further processed into soap. Mike Frank At 06:58 PM 3/3/03, hue wong wrote: >Ok, So I have a a bit of clouded perception of what >types of alternative fuels I can use in my desel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:20:35 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: fuels after the apocalypse Ironic. I just returned from picking up 65 gallons of waste fryer oil from a local pub. I'm going to begin making biodiesel later this month. Here's a good site to learn more: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Personally, I'm going to use the "foolproof" method. For obvious reasons. :) Mike Aimino On 3 Mar 03, at 15:58, hue wong wrote: > Ok, So I have a a bit of clouded perception of what > types of alternative fuels I can use in my desel. > > Can I run: > Karosene? > Rape seed oil? > Hygrade vegitable oil? > Lamp oil? > > Will any of these work? Do I have to cut them with > diesel? > > If I run something like this will I always have to run > it afterwards? > > Not that I intend to, but I'm just curious. > -hue- > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:04:37 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Welty Subject: Re: fuels after the apocalypse On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) hue wong wrote: > Ok, So I have a a bit of clouded perception of what > types of alternative fuels I can use in my desel. > > Can I run: > Karosene? > Will any of these work? Do I have to cut them with > diesel? a mixture of kerosene with diesel is recommended for extreme cold. i have noted that when i mix 1 or 2 gallons of kerosene with a tankful of diesel, there is a notable power loss. i hate to think what it would be like for, say, a 50/50 mix of kerosene and diesel. richard - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:13:22 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Alternative fuels I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of engine oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the Texaco... BTW, my son is selling his '86 Ford Ranger (gas) because he's buying a Cherokee... later, john At 04:26 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: >I bought this book it has the info you need. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/103-6627010-1230205?mode=books&keyword=From+the+Fryer+to+the+Fuel+Tank%3A+The+Complete+Guide+to+Using+Vegetable+Oil+As+an+Alternative+Fuel&tag=wagoneerscom-20&Go.x=53&Go.y=8&Go=Go - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:57:48 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: one of the reasons I like older Benzes From an Autoweek article about Nissan building the next Sentra from the Renault Megane platform, While durability and quality are ciritical, Pelata ((Patrick Pelata, Nissan's executive vice president for product development)) says Nissan needs to be cautious of "overquality." "Does it matter if the door handle lasts 10 years or 20?" Pelata says. "No it does not, because the person will not have the car after 10 years." Full article at http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&l oc_code=index&content_code=06380698 old Benzes always strike me as cars built by engineers thinking "How long can we make this part last?" instead of "How long do we have to make this part last?" Does DC still take this approach to as many parts of the car as they can? Hmm... Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 153K PS - Has anybody ever seen a Benz exterior door handle that broke while the car was still drivable? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:41:30 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes no, but I activated the lock on the '72 107 (350SL) today and we had a tough time getting it back open. ;) john At 08:57 PM 3/3/2003 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: >PS - Has anybody ever seen a Benz exterior door handle that broke while the >car was still drivable? - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:48:13 -0700 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: RE: Alternative fuels John, Looks like you've passed on your "different car every month, whether you need it or not" to your son ;) Unless you have a bunch of sons selling and buying all these cars? ;) Scott - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:13 PM To: Derickam AA; wong_hue-at-yahoo.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Alternative fuels I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of engine oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the Texaco... BTW, my son is selling his '86 Ford Ranger (gas) because he's buying a Cherokee... later, john At 04:26 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: >I bought this book it has the info you need. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/103-6627010-1230205?mode=books&keyword=From+the+Fryer+to+the+Fuel+Tank%3A+The+Complete+Guide+to+Using+Vegetable+Oil+As+an+Alternative+Fuel&tag=wagoneerscom-20&Go.x=53&Go.y=8&Go=Go - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:06:37 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled (non-diesel) Hmmm, How much $$$$ ? :) R. On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 06:21 PM, Derickam AA wrote: > Oh yeah did I mention it was FOR SALE....duh.. > > Heh. :) > > > > Hello Fellow Listers, > > My Co-worker Chris has a 1975 Spitfire here is the link: > > http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/Spitfire/ > > Please contact him directly at: > > cspisak-at-comcast.net > > I know the last 2 owners of this car and they took care of it. > Please no questions to me ask Chris, thank you. :) > > Derick > > > > > Derick Amburgey > Automated Control Specialist > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Derickam AA" > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > CC: cspisak-at-comcast.net > Subject: Okay, lets get back to cars.... here is a brit sled > (non-diesel) > Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:17:54 -0800 > > Hello Fellow Listers, > > My Co-worker Chris has a 1975 Spitfire here is the link: > > http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/Spitfire/ > > Please contact him directly at: > > cspisak-at-comcast.net > > I know the last 2 owners of this car and they took care of it. > Please no questions to me ask Chris, thank you. :) > > Derick > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:18:12 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes UUgh, The problem I am running into on my 2002 Accord. The problem is you cannot predict when your cheap part fails. Essentially you have a 5 year old car which is still useful and is breaking randomly and annoying the owner. While this is good for new car sales its not good for providing customers what they paid for. Essentially what we have is the "disposable" car. When you look at the camera industry they have done just that. Why cant we just go ahead and admit that some of these newer cars are disposable? For now on I refuse to buy any car made after 1995 which seemed to be about the time period that this "disposable" engineering came from... R. On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 09:57 PM, Alec Cordova wrote: >> From an Autoweek article about Nissan building the next Sentra from the > Renault Megane platform, > > > While durability and quality are ciritical, Pelata ((Patrick Pelata, > Nissan's executive vice president for product development)) says Nissan > needs to be cautious of "overquality." > > "Does it matter if the door handle lasts 10 years or 20?" Pelata says. > "No > it does not, because the person will not have the car after 10 years." > > > Full article at > http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews& > l > oc_code=index&content_code=06380698 > > old Benzes always strike me as cars built by engineers thinking "How > long > can we make this part last?" instead of "How long do we have to make > this > part last?" Does DC still take this approach to as many parts of the > car as > they can? Hmm... > > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 153K > > PS - Has anybody ever seen a Benz exterior door handle that broke while > the > car was still drivable? ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #905 *********************************