From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #906 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 01 : Number 906 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes RE: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels Re: Alternative fuels RE: Alternative fuels FW: Gas Prices/Pass It On Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:23:58 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes > UUgh, > > The problem I am running into on my 2002 Accord. > > The problem is you cannot predict when your cheap part fails. > Essentially you have a 5 year old car which is still useful and is > breaking randomly and annoying the owner. While this is good for new > car sales its not good for providing customers what they paid for. > Essentially what we have is the "disposable" car. When you look at the > camera industry they have done just that. Why cant we just go ahead and > admit that some of these newer cars are disposable? > > For now on I refuse to buy any car made after 1995 which seemed to be > about the time period that this "disposable" engineering came from... > > R. > I think the threshold is different for different manufacturers. US cars (Ford/GM) hit disposable status at least by the 70's or 80's with "planned obsolescence." I haven't spent enough time with Asian cars to guess what their cutoff might have been, and I suspect that MB may have turned to the dark side around your stated 1995 for many models. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:14:22 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: one of the reasons I like older Benzes Alec, Yeah... Think your right about that one. The Imports were always of higher quality. The MB's and the Jap cars probably started their turn for the worst in 1995. Although I did notice major difference in "cheapness" between a 1988 Honda and a 1991 Honda that I owned. It horrifys me that I have more faith in a 1982 300SD with god knows how many miles (the odometer broke at 171k) than a 2002 Honda Accord with 13k miles. Needless to say rather soon some "newer car buyer" will be pleased at what good condition my Accord is in since the previous owner (me) never drove it. Anybody wanna but a Honda? (no no seriously ) R. On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 11:23 AM, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >> UUgh, >> >> The problem I am running into on my 2002 Accord. >> >> The problem is you cannot predict when your cheap part fails. >> Essentially you have a 5 year old car which is still useful and is >> breaking randomly and annoying the owner. While this is good for new >> car sales its not good for providing customers what they paid for. >> Essentially what we have is the "disposable" car. When you look at the >> camera industry they have done just that. Why cant we just go ahead >> and >> admit that some of these newer cars are disposable? >> >> For now on I refuse to buy any car made after 1995 which seemed to be >> about the time period that this "disposable" engineering came from... >> >> R. >> > > I think the threshold is different for different manufacturers. US cars > (Ford/GM) hit disposable status at least by the 70's or 80's with > "planned > obsolescence." I haven't spent enough time with Asian cars to guess > what their > cutoff might have been, and I suspect that MB may have turned to the > dark side > around your stated 1995 for many models. > > Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 09:21:22 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: Alternative fuels At 07:48 AM 3/4/2003 -0700, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >John, >Looks like you've passed on your "different car every month, whether you >need it or not" to your son ;) Unless you have a bunch of sons selling >and buying all these cars? >;) >Scott well, it's interesting... low budget motors... buy 'em broken, disabled or hurting... I fix 'em and trade up... my son hurts them worse usually... didn't have the ranger long enough to hurt it though. ;) we'll see what he does with the jeep... :) john >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:13 PM >To: Derickam AA; wong_hue-at-yahoo.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Alternative fuels > > >I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... >when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of engine >oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the Texaco... > >BTW, my son is selling his '86 Ford Ranger (gas) because he's >buying a Cherokee... > >later, >john > >At 04:26 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: > >I bought this book it has the info you need. > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/103-6627010-1230205?mode=books&keyword=From+the+Fryer+to+the+Fuel+Tank%3A+The+Complete+Guide+to+Using+Vegetable+Oil+As+an+Alternative+Fuel&tag=wagoneerscom-20&Go.x=53&Go.y=8&Go=Go >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 10:15:10 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Alternative fuels if you can filter it it's good to go... :) john At 10:09 AM 3/4/2003 -0800, Dan J wrote: >At 06:13 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, John wrote: >>I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... >>when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of engine >>oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the Texaco... > >A mechanic I used to know would run the used oil from older big rig >tractors right back through the motor, diluted with about 300 gallons of >diesel, though. Lets see, 14 gallons of used oil into 300 gallons of fuel >would be, um, divided by, carry the, times the remainder, plus the my age >when I got my first pet, minus the name of the street I live on, a six >pack and a bag of chips, and the answer is: > >Well, I don't really care, but there you go. >dieseldan, not your everyday mathematician - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:28:52 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: Alternative fuels I have heard that it is good for the fuel pump to add motor oil to the fuel...even used motor oil. I have been reluctant to do this because of the particulates, the carbon that is. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? Greg At 10:15 AM 3/4/03 , john wrote: >if you can filter it it's good to go... :) > > >john > >At 10:09 AM 3/4/2003 -0800, Dan J wrote: >>At 06:13 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, John wrote: >>>I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... >>>when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of engine >>>oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the Texaco... >> >>A mechanic I used to know would run the used oil from older big rig >>tractors right back through the motor, diluted with about 300 gallons of >>diesel, though. Lets see, 14 gallons of used oil into 300 gallons of >>fuel would be, um, divided by, carry the, times the remainder, plus the >>my age when I got my first pet, minus the name of the street I live on, a >>six pack and a bag of chips, and the answer is: >> >>Well, I don't really care, but there you go. >>dieseldan, not your everyday mathematician > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:41:41 -0800 From: Dan J Subject: Re: Alternative fuels I have heard that tranny fluid (hold the jokes, please!) is good for the system, but I prefer to add a diesel fuel specific fuel additive like Howe's lubricator. It also takes care of moisture, fungus, and bacteria, too. diesel dan At 05:28 PM 3/4/2003 -0800, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >I have heard that it is good for the fuel pump to add motor oil to the >fuel...even used motor oil. I have been reluctant to do this because of >the particulates, the carbon that is. Anyone have any thoughts or >experience with this? > >Greg > >At 10:15 AM 3/4/03 , john wrote: >>if you can filter it it's good to go... :) >> >> >>john >> >>At 10:09 AM 3/4/2003 -0800, Dan J wrote: >>>At 06:13 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, John wrote: >>>>I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... >>>>when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of engine >>>>oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the Texaco... >>> >>>A mechanic I used to know would run the used oil from older big rig >>>tractors right back through the motor, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:54:10 -0600 From: Jay Quinn Subject: Re: Alternative fuels DAn, I like to use Redline Diesel Fuel Catalyst, with a shot of Racor Diesel Algeacide on every fill up. I fill up about once every 3 - 4 weeks. Some times in place of Redline, I use a brand called Diesel Kleen, good anti-gelling. I use the recommend amounts mentioned on the bottles. I would recommed using these things with some regularity. I've heard about the quart of oil Italian tune-up number for a fule system lube, and even putting in a gallon of Jet A jet fuel to help clean things up. I think that doing those things is a little extreme, even if it works. I'm all for using a product for designed for a specific use like Redline and Racor products. Good Luck. --Jay Dan J wrote: > I have heard that tranny fluid (hold the jokes, please!) is good for the > system, but I prefer to add a diesel fuel specific fuel additive like > Howe's lubricator. It also takes care of moisture, fungus, and bacteria, too. > diesel dan > At 05:28 PM 3/4/2003 -0800, Greg Fiorentino wrote: > > >I have heard that it is good for the fuel pump to add motor oil to the > >fuel...even used motor oil. I have been reluctant to do this because of > >the particulates, the carbon that is. Anyone have any thoughts or > >experience with this? > > > >Greg > > > >At 10:15 AM 3/4/03 , john wrote: > >>if you can filter it it's good to go... :) > >> > >> > >>john > >> > >>At 10:09 AM 3/4/2003 -0800, Dan J wrote: > >>>At 06:13 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, John wrote: > >>>>I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... > >>>>when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of engine > >>>>oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the Texaco... > >>> > >>>A mechanic I used to know would run the used oil from older big rig > >>>tractors right back through the motor, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:19:03 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Alternative fuels Jet A? Can you really put that in your car? I can hear it now. "Falcon Unicom Black Mercedes In FBO parking lot requesting Jet A fuel service" Hmmm People at the airport though I was crazy already R. On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 08:54 PM, Jay Quinn wrote: > DAn, I like to use Redline Diesel Fuel Catalyst, with a shot of Racor > Diesel > Algeacide on every fill up. I fill up about once every 3 - 4 weeks. > Some times > in place of Redline, I use a brand called Diesel Kleen, good > anti-gelling. I use > the recommend amounts mentioned on the bottles. I would recommed using > these > things with some regularity. I've heard about the quart of oil Italian > tune-up > number for a fule system lube, and even putting in a gallon of Jet A > jet fuel to > help clean things up. I think that doing those things is a little > extreme, even > if it works. I'm all for using a product for designed for a specific > use like > Redline and Racor products. Good Luck. --Jay > > Dan J wrote: > >> I have heard that tranny fluid (hold the jokes, please!) is good for >> the >> system, but I prefer to add a diesel fuel specific fuel additive like >> Howe's lubricator. It also takes care of moisture, fungus, and >> bacteria, too. >> diesel dan >> At 05:28 PM 3/4/2003 -0800, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >> >>> I have heard that it is good for the fuel pump to add motor oil to the >>> fuel...even used motor oil. I have been reluctant to do this because >>> of >>> the particulates, the carbon that is. Anyone have any thoughts or >>> experience with this? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> At 10:15 AM 3/4/03 , john wrote: >>>> if you can filter it it's good to go... :) >>>> >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> At 10:09 AM 3/4/2003 -0800, Dan J wrote: >>>>> At 06:13 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, John wrote: >>>>>> I've run vegetable oil through a Diesel before... also motor oil... >>>>>> when I ran out of fuel on the US 2 trestle... had 1/2 quart of >>>>>> engine >>>>>> oil, it got me going and across the Snohomish River and to the >>>>>> Texaco... >>>>> >>>>> A mechanic I used to know would run the used oil from older big rig >>>>> tractors right back through the motor, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:23:32 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: Alternative fuels I used to burn my old motor oil by dumping it into the tank...a gallon to a full tank of fuel. The engine ran about the same with it, but it really clogs the filters. If I could find a good way to strain out all the goop, I'd definitely keep doing it. BTW, used motor oil is great for disguising the red dye in home heating oil, not that I would know ;-). And old Diesel fuel and oil filters are great for starting the fireplace. Mike Frank At 08:28 PM 3/4/03, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >I have heard that it is good for the fuel pump to add motor oil to the >fuel...even used motor oil. I have been reluctant to do this because of >the particulates, the carbon that is. Anyone have any thoughts or >experience with this? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:25:37 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: Alternative fuels Isn't Jet A basically Kerosene? Mike Frank At 09:19 PM 3/4/03, Robert Chase wrote: >Jet A? > >Can you really put that in your car? I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:39:28 -0800 From: Dan J Subject: Re: Alternative fuels At 07:54 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, Jay Quinn wrote: >I'm all for using a product for designed for a specific use like >Redline and Racor products. Good Luck. --Jay But Howe's Lubricator will throw in a guarantee that the fuel won't gel if used according to directions or they will pay for the tow, _if_ you buy a whole case. I know of no other product that has this guarantee. I used it in a big rig in -40 F cold, with no problems. diesel dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:52:30 -0800 From: "Jeremy Bowne" Subject: RE: Alternative fuels I had always thought that it was high octane diesel ;) Jeremy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Michael Frank Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:26 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Alternative fuels Isn't Jet A basically Kerosene? Mike Frank At 09:19 PM 3/4/03, Robert Chase wrote: >Jet A? > >Can you really put that in your car? I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 01:40:07 -0800 From: john Subject: FW: Gas Prices/Pass It On Get on the band wagon. A friend sent this to me, and it seems like a simple but effective idea. Join the resistance! Please pass it on to all of your friends and acquaintances via e-mail. Paul K We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Do you want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It ! was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50-$1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace....not the sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. **************************************************************** Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. ******************************************************************* But to have an impact, we need to reach literally million! s of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and DON"T purchase ANY gasoline from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all. If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one. How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. (remove headers and formatting first!) PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #906 *********************************