From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #929 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, March 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 929 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Diesel differences. Re: trip to BC Re: Diesel differences. Re: Diesel differences. RE: Diesel differences. Re: trip to BC administrivia: notes on using this list Re: trip to BC Re: trip to BC Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:26:52 -0600 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Diesel differences. Other than the obvious hard parts. What else is required to convert a 3.0 non turbo to turbo status? IP/injectors? What compensates the fuel for the increased airflow? Reason: I found a really good deal on a 300 D. Car was driven to a shop to be sold, owner was offered $300(he declined). He goes to leave and the starter is bad - no start. He sells car for $300. New owners aren't diesel savvy. They replace the starter but can't seem to get the car to start(little tiny battery). Can you pull start the older 300 Ds? I can get the car for $300 but I want to try to get the car running first. Interior/exteriior is in great shape but I'm not thrilled about the body color - it's like a mint green metallic and appears original. I forgot what year it was - 123 chassis with the GPs in series(connected by hard wires). And I'll be watching my mirrors for anyone following me to the shop. LOL Waylon Uh - in Utah, or uh Nevada - yea that's it, Nevada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:55:20 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: trip to BC John: I don't know a lot about the car. It's registered in Washington State. It went to BC for a new motor. Owner ran out of cash or interest and abandoned it at the repair shop. Looks pretty tired in the photos, but it does have a newly rebuilt engine. The shop wants to sell it for the cost of the parts and labor....it was under $4000 as I recall. If you move forward, remember to check after the title. Mike Frank At 12:53 PM 3/14/03, john wrote: >... mike, if you can >recount the info for Jim I'd appreciate it... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:03:14 -0500 From: "Jim Steere" Subject: Re: Diesel differences. > Other than the obvious hard parts. What else is required to convert a 3.0 > non turbo to turbo status? IP/injectors? What compensates the fuel for the > increased airflow? Bad ideer, unfortunately (even though I've got all the stuff it would take to do it for sale...."honest crook", I guess) Rods/bottom end are condiderably heavier in the newer OM617 turbo motors. I'm not sure the older motor would like/live with the increased cylinder pressure. Swapping a turbo motor in (complete) isn't a bad job, however. > > Reason: I found a really good deal on a 300 D. Car was driven to a shop to > be sold, owner was offered $300(he declined). He goes to leave and the > starter is bad - no start. He sells car for $300. New owners aren't diesel > savvy. They replace the starter but can't seem to get the car to > start(little tiny battery). Can you pull start the older 300 Ds? You bet. Transmission has a "rear" pump like an old Powerglide. You gotta' get it going about 25-30 mph, however. Jim Steere Everything Automotive Crystal, MI www.usedbenzparts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:22:38 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Diesel differences. Hmmm, I dunno for $300 I would have no issue with mint green.... I would even tow it :)..... Be forwared if you get it running the price might change... The tow might come in handy R. On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 01:26 PM, Black, Waylon wrote: > Other than the obvious hard parts. What else is required to convert a > 3.0 > non turbo to turbo status? IP/injectors? What compensates the fuel for > the > increased airflow? > > Reason: I found a really good deal on a 300 D. Car was driven to a shop > to > be sold, owner was offered $300(he declined). He goes to leave and the > starter is bad - no start. He sells car for $300. New owners aren't > diesel > savvy. They replace the starter but can't seem to get the car to > start(little tiny battery). Can you pull start the older 300 Ds? I can > get > the car for $300 but I want to try to get the car running first. > > Interior/exteriior is in great shape but I'm not thrilled about the body > color - it's like a mint green metallic and appears original. I forgot > what > year it was - 123 chassis with the GPs in series(connected by hard > wires). > > And I'll be watching my mirrors for anyone following me to the shop. LOL > > Waylon > Uh - in Utah, or uh Nevada - yea that's it, Nevada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:31:17 -0600 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: Diesel differences. LOL The plan is to give the $300 with the understanding that if I come back within 10-20 minutes - I'm bringing the car back. Doubt I'll be coming back - - except to pick up the diesel VW truck that they have. ;) Waylon -----Original Message----- From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:23 PM To: Black, Waylon Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Diesel differences. Hmmm, I dunno for $300 I would have no issue with mint green.... I would even tow it :)..... Be forwared if you get it running the price might change... The tow might come in handy R. On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 01:26 PM, Black, Waylon wrote: > Other than the obvious hard parts. What else is required to convert a > 3.0 > non turbo to turbo status? IP/injectors? What compensates the fuel for > the > increased airflow? > > Reason: I found a really good deal on a 300 D. Car was driven to a shop > to > be sold, owner was offered $300(he declined). He goes to leave and the > starter is bad - no start. He sells car for $300. New owners aren't > diesel > savvy. They replace the starter but can't seem to get the car to > start(little tiny battery). Can you pull start the older 300 Ds? I can > get > the car for $300 but I want to try to get the car running first. > > Interior/exteriior is in great shape but I'm not thrilled about the body > color - it's like a mint green metallic and appears original. I forgot > what > year it was - 123 chassis with the GPs in series(connected by hard > wires). > > And I'll be watching my mirrors for anyone following me to the shop. LOL > > Waylon > Uh - in Utah, or uh Nevada - yea that's it, Nevada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:30:08 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: trip to BC argghhh... just got home... totally forgot to look for the car... I did find a set of nice heated leather seats out of a '99 WJ for my '83 SJ though... ;) I was in Maple Ridge even... my wife was fussing about sitting waiting.... waiting at the fiberglass shop... then waiting at the Jeep parts yard... she would have started walking home had I tried to look at a Benz too... rats, they might have had seats too.. :( Speaking of seats... I wonder how hard it would be to drop a set of leather seats out of a luxury jap sedan into my 190D. I have a set out of a nissan or acura or something that I mounted on Jeep bases... they have good lumbar support and are solid... unlike the benz seats I have now... I know if I got a reaction out of putting speakers on the shelf that I'm soon to be excommunicated for this idea... ;) Will save the crappy Benz seats for the future purist that might buy this thing... ;) Or at least I promise not to weld anything to my rust free floorpans... fair enough? ;) john At 01:55 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Michael Frank wrote: >John: > > I don't know a lot about the car. It's registered in Washington > State. It went to BC for a new motor. Owner ran out of cash or interest > and abandoned it at the repair shop. Looks pretty tired in the photos, > but it does have a newly rebuilt engine. The shop wants to sell it for > the cost of the parts and labor....it was under $4000 as I recall. If you > move forward, remember to check after the title. > >Mike Frank > >At 12:53 PM 3/14/03, john wrote: >>... mike, if you can >>recount the info for Jim I'd appreciate it... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:50:12 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: trip to BC At 09:40 PM 3/14/2003 -0800, Derickam AA wrote: >John just can't help himself.... ;) >Born to hack! :) hey, if they made the perfect car I could afford it... making my own has been a theme for some time... it's very hard for me to keep a vehicle stock. I am keeping my '83 J10 Stepside Jeep though. :) It'll have a '96 XJ 4.0L, an '82 NP219, an '88 xj console, '99 WJ heated leather seats (with power lumbar!), will tow a '75 J10 trailer, '75 SJ rear Dana 44 (4.10 gears), late '70's wagoneer aux tank, mid-70's aluminum alloy rims, visors from an '81 Wagoneer, '89 XJ sunroof, '96 xj airbag/steering column, '79 SJ brushguard... oh yeah, and a Jeep paint color from 1989 as well... ;) My first FSJ was a '67 Wagoneer... when I finished with it I ended up in Four Wheeler's Garage Scenes and had parts from: Ford, Chevy, Buick, VW, Mercedes, Volvo, Fiat, Volkswagen, Oldsmobile, Dodge, and of course a few Jeeps... :) So, if I put jap luxury leather seats into my '85 190D it really isn't that much of a stretch for me... rofl... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 02:49:26 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: trip to BC Uhm.... I have some "nice looking" seats in my Accord but quite honestly I think even my leaning SD's drivers seat is more comfortable. Jap seats are filled with foam and have no suspension like the MB seats..... Hey while your at it with the seats why not put some LED's on the windshield washers and change out the tail lights to the all clear ones. Add nitrous and some big ass wheels and you could be the most popular guy on the strip :) I would suggest some Recarros if your going to do something like that. At least something out of another german car :). Dont worry. I have had similar ideas (not for my MB). I almost put a pair of Porsche 914 seats in a MG I once owned..... Something like a 2 door you can get away with this because seats can be a different color than the door panels. With your back seat screaming foul I dont think you will get anything to look right in there. R. On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 12:30 AM, john wrote: > argghhh... just got home... totally forgot to look > for the car... I did find a set of nice heated leather > seats out of a '99 WJ for my '83 SJ though... ;) I > was in Maple Ridge even... my wife was fussing about > sitting waiting.... waiting at the fiberglass shop... then > waiting at the Jeep parts yard... she would have started > walking home had I tried to look at a Benz too... rats, > they might have had seats too.. :( > > Speaking of seats... I wonder how hard it would be to drop > a set of leather seats out of a luxury jap sedan into my > 190D. I have a set out of a nissan or acura or something that > I mounted on Jeep bases... they have good lumbar support > and are solid... unlike the benz seats I have now... I know > if I got a reaction out of putting speakers on the shelf that > I'm soon to be excommunicated for this idea... ;) Will save > the crappy Benz seats for the future purist that might buy > this thing... ;) Or at least I promise not to weld anything > to my rust free floorpans... fair enough? ;) > > john > > At 01:55 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Michael Frank wrote: >> John: >> >> I don't know a lot about the car. It's registered in >> Washington State. It went to BC for a new motor. Owner ran out of cash >> or interest and abandoned it at the repair shop. Looks pretty tired in >> the photos, but it does have a newly rebuilt engine. The shop wants to >> sell it for the cost of the parts and labor....it was under $4000 as I >> recall. If you move forward, remember to check after the title. >> >> Mike Frank >> >> At 12:53 PM 3/14/03, john wrote: >>> ... mike, if you can >>> recount the info for Jim I'd appreciate it... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #929 *********************************