From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #950 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 31 2003 Volume 01 : Number 950 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Rear diff going out????? Re: 32 mpg Re: 32 mpg Re: 32 mpg Re: 32 mpg Re: 32 mpg L 206 D 1976 diesel van Re: 32 mpg Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:33:13 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Rear diff going out????? you could give Jim Startups a call in Everett, he's reasonable... 425.353.6811 john At 12:19 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, hue wong wrote: >Hey all got a question. > >For the last 300 miles or so I've been getting a >noticably louder grinding in the rear end of my '71 >280sel. It comes and goes around 40 or so. Finally >yesterday I was driving and went to put it into >reverse and the linkage between something and the >automatic stick on the coloum broke. I can still put >it into gear and it seems to drive just fine, but the >gear indicator on the coloum won't work any longer. >And on top of it all, the strange grinding noise has >almost gone away entirely. > >I'm thinking that the grinding was the linkage cable >grinding through something and it finally did. > >My fear is that the worst is yet to come. The >grinding sound seems to come from the right rear >centertransaxle/differental area. > >Anyone know how hard this is to fix and how much it >may cost? I'm in seattle and have to take it into a >shop (majaraja motors on lake city way???) as this >type of repair is beyond me! zoiks! (the car did >have 235k miles on it on it so I guess that's not to >bad...) >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:34:26 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: 32 mpg At 12:21 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, hue wong wrote: >Don't they tax diesel higher becuase it pollutes more? that's blasphemy... no, it pollutes LESS then a gas engine, it's just that all those tree huggers think it smells bad so it "MUST" pollute more. But Diesel produces less toxic emissions then a gas engine... you can run a Diesel inside and live... don't try that with a gas engine though... ;) john >--- Michael Frank wrote: > > A few flawed assumptions here. > > - Business will write off ALL their fuel costs, not > > just road use taxes. > > It's an expense item. > > > > - You have to spend money to write it off, nothing > > comes free. > > > > - The overwhelming majority of over the road Diesel > > users are truckers. > > Trucks tear up the highways more than cars do, so > > truckers pay more tax. > > What you are really asking for is a separate pump > > and tax rate for > > automotive users. Don't worry about convincing the > > gov't. Worry about > > convincing your service station. > > > > - Stationary Diesels and farm Diesels don't have to > > pay road use tax, their > > fuel is dyed red. They still get to write off their > > fuel costs. > > > > Mike Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:27 PM 3/29/03, Gary, Orlando wrote: > > >Concerning cost of fuel... > > > > > >So, in essence, the feds are actually taxing the > > 'private' consumer more > > >than gas users. What is the proportion of 'private' > > gas users to > > >'private' diesel users. It has to be a HUGE number. > > So, what real > > >benefit do the federallies have by a higher diesel >tax? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:59:17 -0800 From: Dan J Subject: Re: 32 mpg At 02:34 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, you wrote: >you can run a Diesel inside and live... don't >try that with a gas engine though... ;) > >john Uh, No you can't, John. Carbon Monoxide can kill you, and diesels put out plenty of that stuff. Besides, too much carbon and nitrous oxide can ruin your day, too, but in a different way. When I was a truck driver, you would always hear about someone who dang near did or did die from carbon monoxide poisoning due to either the exhaust being drawn into the cab through the ventilation system or a leaking exhaust system. The safety inspectors can red tag (shut down) a big rig for having a leaky exhaust, found by looking for the streaks of soot around system connections. dieseldan, no longer a truck drivin' man ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:05:22 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: Re: 32 mpg I actually thought taht deisel put out much more carbon, but much less monoxides and less of the "toxic emissions" due to less additives. But soon those new gen hydrogen cars will be the awnser. Just saw my first one here in seattle a few days ago. A slick little two man tric type o unit. and rummor has it that boeing field now sells the hydrogen fuel. Strange thing afoot... - --- john wrote: > At 12:21 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, hue wong wrote: > >Don't they tax diesel higher becuase it pollutes > more? > > that's blasphemy... no, it pollutes LESS then a gas > engine, > it's just that all those tree huggers think it > smells bad so > it "MUST" pollute more. But Diesel produces less > toxic emissions > then a gas engine... you can run a Diesel inside and > live... don't > try that with a gas engine though... ;) > > john > > > > > >--- Michael Frank wrote: > > > A few flawed assumptions here. > > > - Business will write off ALL their fuel costs, > not > > > just road use taxes. > > > It's an expense item. > > > > > > - You have to spend money to write it off, > nothing > > > comes free. > > > > > > - The overwhelming majority of over the road > Diesel > > > users are truckers. > > > Trucks tear up the highways more than cars do, > so > > > truckers pay more tax. > > > What you are really asking for is a separate > pump > > > and tax rate for > > > automotive users. Don't worry about convincing > the > > > gov't. Worry about > > > convincing your service station. > > > > > > - Stationary Diesels and farm Diesels don't have > to > > > pay road use tax, their > > > fuel is dyed red. They still get to write off > their > > > fuel costs. > > > > > > Mike Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:27 PM 3/29/03, Gary, Orlando wrote: > > > >Concerning cost of fuel... > > > > > > > >So, in essence, the feds are actually taxing > the > > > 'private' consumer more > > > >than gas users. What is the proportion of > 'private' > > > gas users to > > > >'private' diesel users. It has to be a HUGE > number. > > > So, what real > > > >benefit do the federallies have by a higher > diesel > >tax? > >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, > please! > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:06:36 +1000 From: Guy Carpenter Subject: Re: 32 mpg > you can run a Diesel inside and live... For a while at least. If can you call that living. According to the EPA at http://www.epa.gov/NE/eco/airtox/diesel.html Acute exposure to diesel exhaust may cause irritation to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs, some neurological effects such as lightheadedness. Acute exposure may also elicit a cough or nausea as well as exacerbate asthma. Chronic exposure in experimental animal inhalation studies have shown a range of dose dependent lung inflammation and cellular changes in the lung and there are also diesel exhaust immunological effects. Based upon human and laboratory studies, there is considerable evidence that diesel exhaust is a likely carcinogen. Human epidemiological studies demonstrate an association between diesel exhaust exposure and increased lung cancer rates in occupational settings. From what I have read diesel presents a different set of health risks because of the particulate matter. The particulate matter doesn't immediately enter your blood like a small gas molecule, but it does tend to lodge in your lungs and stay around for a long time. There is definitely a perception that diesel exhaust is much worse because it is very visible. I put my foot down on my Toyota Hilux the other night and I could see the plume through the following car's headlights. It looks terrible. But there is also a tendency for diesel drivers to cite the lack of gaseous emissions as if that makes the exhaust completely safe, which is not true either. It's all bad for you - that's why it smells so good. Cheers, Guy. At 02:34 PM 30/03/2003 -0800, john wrote: >At 12:21 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, hue wong wrote: >>Don't they tax diesel higher becuase it pollutes more? > >that's blasphemy... no, it pollutes LESS then a gas engine, >it's just that all those tree huggers think it smells bad so >it "MUST" pollute more. But Diesel produces less toxic emissions >then a gas engine... you can run a Diesel inside and live... don't >try that with a gas engine though... ;) > >john > > > > >>--- Michael Frank wrote: >> > A few flawed assumptions here. >> > - Business will write off ALL their fuel costs, not >> > just road use taxes. >> > It's an expense item. >> > >> > - You have to spend money to write it off, nothing >> > comes free. >> > >> > - The overwhelming majority of over the road Diesel >> > users are truckers. >> > Trucks tear up the highways more than cars do, so >> > truckers pay more tax. >> > What you are really asking for is a separate pump >> > and tax rate for >> > automotive users. Don't worry about convincing the >> > gov't. Worry about >> > convincing your service station. >> > >> > - Stationary Diesels and farm Diesels don't have to >> > pay road use tax, their >> > fuel is dyed red. They still get to write off their >> > fuel costs. >> > >> > Mike Frank >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > At 03:27 PM 3/29/03, Gary, Orlando wrote: >> > >Concerning cost of fuel... >> > > >> > >So, in essence, the feds are actually taxing the >> > 'private' consumer more >> > >than gas users. What is the proportion of 'private' >> > gas users to >> > >'private' diesel users. It has to be a HUGE number. >> > So, what real >> > >benefit do the federallies have by a higher diesel >>tax? >>Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >>http://platinum.yahoo.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:32:17 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: 32 mpg I don't see Carbon Monoxide in this list: acetaldehyde, acrolein, benzene, 1,3-butadiene, formaldehyde and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. :) The "dehyde's" are the big thing... formaldehyde ain't good to breath that's for sure... aldehyde is what smells... The particulate thing isn't good to breath, but it's a lot less toxic to most of us then what comes out of the tailpipe of a gasoline engine. :) cool link, thanx, john At 09:06 AM 3/31/2003 +1000, Guy Carpenter wrote: > > you can run a Diesel inside and live... > >For a while at least. If can you call that living. > >According to the EPA at http://www.epa.gov/NE/eco/airtox/diesel.html >Acute exposure to diesel exhaust may cause irritation to the eyes, nose, >throat and lungs, some neurological effects such as lightheadedness. Acute >exposure may also elicit a cough or nausea as well as exacerbate asthma. >Chronic exposure in experimental animal inhalation studies have shown a >range of dose dependent lung inflammation and cellular changes in the lung >and there are also diesel exhaust immunological effects. Based upon human >and laboratory studies, there is considerable evidence that diesel exhaust >is a likely carcinogen. Human epidemiological studies demonstrate an >association between diesel exhaust exposure and increased lung cancer rates >in occupational settings. > From what I have read diesel presents a different set of health risks >because of the particulate >matter. The particulate matter doesn't immediately enter your blood like a >small >gas molecule, but it does tend to lodge in your lungs and stay around for a >long time. > >There is definitely a perception that diesel exhaust is much worse because >it is very visible. I put >my foot down on my Toyota Hilux the other night and I could see the plume >through >the following car's headlights. It looks terrible. > >But there is also a tendency for diesel drivers to cite the lack of gaseous >emissions >as if that makes the exhaust completely safe, which is not true either. >It's all bad for you - that's why it smells so good. > >Cheers, >Guy. > > > > >At 02:34 PM 30/03/2003 -0800, john wrote: > >At 12:21 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, hue wong wrote: > >>Don't they tax diesel higher becuase it pollutes more? > > > >that's blasphemy... no, it pollutes LESS then a gas engine, > >it's just that all those tree huggers think it smells bad so > >it "MUST" pollute more. But Diesel produces less toxic emissions > >then a gas engine... you can run a Diesel inside and live... don't > >try that with a gas engine though... ;) > > > >john > > > > > > > > > >>--- Michael Frank wrote: > >> > A few flawed assumptions here. > >> > - Business will write off ALL their fuel costs, not > >> > just road use taxes. > >> > It's an expense item. > >> > > >> > - You have to spend money to write it off, nothing > >> > comes free. > >> > > >> > - The overwhelming majority of over the road Diesel > >> > users are truckers. > >> > Trucks tear up the highways more than cars do, so > >> > truckers pay more tax. > >> > What you are really asking for is a separate pump > >> > and tax rate for > >> > automotive users. Don't worry about convincing the > >> > gov't. Worry about > >> > convincing your service station. > >> > > >> > - Stationary Diesels and farm Diesels don't have to > >> > pay road use tax, their > >> > fuel is dyed red. They still get to write off their > >> > fuel costs. > >> > > >> > Mike Frank > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > At 03:27 PM 3/29/03, Gary, Orlando wrote: > >> > >Concerning cost of fuel... > >> > > > >> > >So, in essence, the feds are actually taxing the > >> > 'private' consumer more > >> > >than gas users. What is the proportion of 'private' > >> > gas users to > >> > >'private' diesel users. It has to be a HUGE number. > >> > So, what real > >> > >benefit do the federallies have by a higher diesel > >>tax? > >>Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > >>http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > >------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:30:34 -0800 From: Lee or RK Rossi Subject: L 206 D 1976 diesel van I bought this van 2 years ago with the intent to restore it and use it in my buisness to replace my Grumman step van. I now realize that it is too small to do the job for me. Unfortunatly I have already sold the Grumman. It is the delivery version. looks like a VW bus. The engine and drivetrain was rebuilt by the former owner. The down part is that he had it parked in a warehouse parking lot and some kids broke out all the glass. Fortunatly with the exception of the windshield it is all "Flat glass" and there are only a few windows. I am offering it to the Diesel benz list prior to putting it on Ebay should anyone be interested in a good project. Asking $750.00 or make me an offer. The engine runs good but the vehicke is NOT drivable as it is. I can deliver it in Western Washington by trailer if interested. There is a passenger version on Ebay now if you want to see what it looks like. I will be posting actual photos when I list it. If anyone is interested I can try to get some for you. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2408888349&category=6315 Will put it on Ebay as a parts vehicle on Wednesday. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:29:08 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: 32 mpg At 02:59 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, Dan J wrote: >At 02:34 PM 3/30/2003 -0800, you wrote: >>you can run a Diesel inside and live... don't >>try that with a gas engine though... ;) >> >>john >Uh, No you can't, John. >Carbon Monoxide can kill you, and diesels put out plenty of that stuff. Diesels don't have very much of it... check out the emissions, very low CO, if any... They run Diesels in buildings all the time... too much of it though can cause other problems, mainly from the aldehyde and particulates though. It's not lethal. > Besides, too much carbon and nitrous oxide can ruin your day, too, but > in a different way. the aldehyde is the biggest thing that bothers us. NOx and CO2 won't bother you too much... >When I was a truck driver, you would always hear about someone who dang >near did or did die from carbon monoxide poisoning due to either the >exhaust being drawn into the cab through the ventilation system or a >leaking exhaust that sounds hard to believe... the specs and info I've seen indicate that CO isn't a big issue with a Diesel, that and the fact that it's heavier then air and all that... usually it's a small kid that is a sleep on the rear floor of a car with an exhaust leak, never heard of a trucker being killed that way... but you'd know more about that then me... I'm a spectator in that world... >system. The safety inspectors can red tag (shut down) a big rig for >having a leaky exhaust, found by looking for the streaks of soot around >system connections. >dieseldan, no longer a truck drivin' man later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #950 *********************************