From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #952 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 952 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: OM603 300SDL vs. OM617 300SD WAS: Time to make a decision Re: OM603 300SDL vs. OM617 300SD WAS: Time to make a decision RE: Time to make a decision 190D on stands... 201 euro headlights RE: 201 euro headlights Terry's tree removal service down under... :( RE: 201 euro headlights administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:51:41 -0800 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: OM603 300SDL vs. OM617 300SD WAS: Time to make a decision > I have seen a couple of figures on my car HP wise. I have seen 125hp > somewhere. Seems ok for most practical driving. There is enough power > to pull the car. I don't know why people fixate on Horsepower, drivability is more a factor of torque. HP matters for high performance driving, but if that's your focus why do you want a diesel? The old muscle cars had reasonable horsepower, but most had hundreds of foot pounds of torque--that's what gets you off the line. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:19:04 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: OM603 300SDL vs. OM617 300SD WAS: Time to make a decision > > I have seen a couple of figures on my car HP wise. I have seen 125hp > > somewhere. Seems ok for most practical driving. There is enough power > > to pull the car. > > I don't know why people fixate on Horsepower, drivability is more a factor > of torque. HP matters for high performance driving, but if that's your focus > why do you want a diesel? > > The old muscle cars had reasonable horsepower, but most had hundreds of foot > pounds of torque--that's what gets you off the line. > > Paul > Exactly! And I think the OM617 had in the neighborhood of 150 to 170 lb-ft of torque, which compared favorably with most contemporary gas sixers and even many gas V-8s. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:41:14 -0600 From: "Richard Arnold" Subject: RE: Time to make a decision I agree with Randy. I bought mine in 1995 with 82,000 miles on it. Now it has 160,000. The trap oxidizer had been replaced by the dealer with a factory blank along with a complete new exhaust system. Apparently the trap oxidizer was a problem with these cars as there is a factory bulletin out on it. Once the turbo spools up, this car gets down the road with more torque than your average American V8. It will actually chirp the tires going into 2nd gear at full throttle. Pretty good for a diesel eh? I plan on willing it to my grandkids, if I ever have any. By the way, my oldest is 12. Richard '87 300 SDL '73 Alfa Spider > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] > On Behalf Of REisenhardt-at-AlienTechnology.com > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:55 AM > To: acordova-at-texas.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: Time to make a decision > > Alex > > My 87 300 SDL is by far the best car I have owned. Comfortable, quick > enough, great mileage for such a large car, and it has been reliable. It > is > very stable at high speeds, even fully loaded with 3 passengers. I bought > mine with 275k on the car, and other than minor annoyances (see my > previous > post about shimmy and air vents), I have experienced no problems with the > car. Go for it! > > Randy > '87 300 SDL (Big Ben) > 293k > > -----Original Message----- > From: acordova-at-texas.net [mailto:acordova-at-texas.net] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:48 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: Time to make a decision > > > > It's about time to make a decision on buying a car. > > > > Owning my 78 300D has got me hooked on not only Mercedes, but Diesels at > > that. > > > > I am looking at an 87 300SDL, 140k miles, > > There were a lot fewer of these sold in the US than the older OM617 motor, > so > there will be fewer stories, but from what I have heard, they can be very > nice > cars. > > Moving up from a 78 non-turbo, the 87 should be a wonderful improvement in > power, even better than a turbo 5 cylinder. > > My understanding is that the motor uses an iron block and an aluminum or > alloy > head, so if it overheats, it is easy to damage. I have not heard that they > are > more likely to overheat than the older motor, just that it is easier to > damage > the newer motor if it does overheat. And yes, I have also heard that > replacement heads were redesigned to improve this risk. > > The fact that even the visors were replaced sounds good to me. Those > aren't > cheap, and if a previous owner spent the money to replace them, they > probably > took good care of the car in general. I would be curious about the extent > of > > the motor repairs, though, and whether they were done by someone familiar > with > these motors. > > The 6 cylinder turbodiesel is more technically advanced than our beloved > old > > OM617 5 banger, and that could affect DIY capabilities. > > Other than that, the W126 chassis is another gloriously-engineered design > that > should hold up well and be reasonably maintainable. > > Good luck, > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 155K, but I miss the sweet diesel smell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:20:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: 190D on stands... I'm over here at a mechanic friend's house, he has a pc in his garage. :) Anyway, timing chain looked great so we didn't replace it. Did the water pump, tranny fluid, and a few other odds and ends... switched it over to amsoil synthetic atf and antifreeze. replaced the bulbs in the dash, lubed the speedo cable and so on. He also noticed the pump was way over to one side, so we're going to experiment a bit with the adjustment and hope that will help the economy. :) later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:26:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: 201 euro headlights they list these for '86 and up... would they work on an '85??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409397542&category=33710 thanx, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:44:30 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: 201 euro headlights > they list these for '86 and up... would they work on an '85??? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409 > 397542&category=33710 > > thanx, > john Rusty's online catalog shows the same Bosch part number for the US style "headlight assembly with yellow fog lamp, without turn signal or headlamp insert" for 84, 85, and 86. I didn't check any more than that. Price $181 for left side, $191 for right side. Don't ask me why. I say the eBay stuff will fit an 85. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:39:59 -0800 From: john Subject: Terry's tree removal service down under... :( Terry says: "My Jeep Saved My Life". Heal quickly Terry! See the links below... and Terry's story. (Terry, any chance of a picture of the trees? They must have been some mean ones...) john meister snohomish, washington P.S. (btw, those interested in that cool Aussie Bull Bar for our FSJ's... sorry... :( BEFORE: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/TerryHalmshaw-AU-79-Chero/ AFTER FOUR TREES: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/TerryHalmshaw-AU-79-Chero/down-under-total_.jpg http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/TerryHalmshaw-AU-79-Chero/down-under-total.jpg This is Terry's story: John mate I'm very sorry to inform you that I have totalled my Jeep. Last night on my way home I leant over to pick up a dropped cd,and collected four very large trees. So now it is back to the drawing board,and strive to regain what I once had. I shall send updates as thing progress. As for the bullbar if you wanted one like mine alas I no longer have the template. I'm relatively ok mate,broken nose two fractured ribs and a broken vertebrae,my face is pretty messed however. But in three to four months I'm told all should be well. Cheers mate Terry. P.S. Please post this pic on the site with the heading "My Jeep Saved My Life". - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.billygraham.org/spiritualhelp/steps.asp http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ http://www.persecution.com/about/index.cfm?action=vom http://www.freegift.net/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:39:57 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: 201 euro headlights thanx... btw, figured out how to get the headlights out today... ;) have a pair of IPF replacement lights I'm going to try first... john At 07:44 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: > > they list these for '86 and up... would they work on an '85??? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409 > > 397542&category=33710 > > > > thanx, > > john > >Rusty's online catalog shows the same Bosch part number for the US style >"headlight assembly with yellow fog lamp, without turn signal or headlamp >insert" for 84, 85, and 86. I didn't check any more than that. Price $181 >for left side, $191 for right side. Don't ask me why. > >I say the eBay stuff will fit an 85. > >Alec - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 06:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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