From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #965 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 965 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! administrivia: notes on using this list Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: Shameless promotion Diesel engine! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:43:40 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Hi Jan! Well, this is as close to a "car" as we're going to get I think. The "nose" is very similar to my Grand Caravan ;) It's just that those darn Europeans go for functionality instead of cosmetics... The dang thing is too tall for it's width! ;) It just looks "wierd"! Jim/ > Jim, > The amazing news is that if you have ordered and had anything delivered > by FedEx recently, this very vehicle has probably been to your house. > > They are using these for delivery vans ..... > > Pretty cool ... I wish they would allow the same engine in a car. > > Jan > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > > Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > > > > Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > > states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > > > > Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > > > > The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > > > > Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > > > > I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > > the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > > > > Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > > > > What do you guys think?!?! > > > > Jim/ > > -- > > $:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: > > Jan > Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage > jan-at-buy-a-boat.com > 262-553-1998 > http://www.buy-a-boat.com > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:56:19 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! German from follows function design arrives in Detroit. In some weird way, I like it. Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hoffman" To: Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > > Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > > Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > > The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > > Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > > I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > > Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > > What do you guys think?!?! > > Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:33:52 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Ah yes..... The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw the horrific dodge badge on it.... Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. Robert. Jim Hoffman wrote: >Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... >Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > >Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the >states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > >Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > >The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > >Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > >I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on >the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > >Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > >What do you guys think?!?! > >Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:36:02 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Jan, Rumor has it that the new E will be powered by a diesel in the next model year. I have been talking to the MB sales people and they have even tried to get me to preorder one. I doubt there will be huge demand and want to see one in the flesh before I would even consider buying one. As well lately im on an "old car" kick and wont be buying anything new for a long time. Robert. Jan Guthrie wrote: >Jim, >The amazing news is that if you have ordered and had anything delivered >by FedEx recently, this very vehicle has probably been to your house. > >They are using these for delivery vans ..... > >Pretty cool ... I wish they would allow the same engine in a car. > >Jan > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > >>Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... >>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... >> >>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the >>states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! >> >>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( >> >>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! >> >>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter >> >>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on >>the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... >> >>Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm >> >>What do you guys think?!?! >> >>Jim/ >> >> > >-- > >$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: > >Jan >Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage >jan-at-buy-a-boat.com >262-553-1998 >http://www.buy-a-boat.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 05:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:04:32 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! reminds me of a German Ambulance... all you need is some orange lettering, a light on the top and you're set... john At 09:43 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: >Hi Jan! > > Well, this is as close to a "car" as we're going to get I think. >The "nose" is very similar to my Grand Caravan ;) > > It's just that those darn Europeans go for functionality instead >of cosmetics... The dang thing is too tall for it's width! ;) >It just looks "wierd"! > >Jim/ > > > Jim, > > The amazing news is that if you have ordered and had anything >delivered > > by FedEx recently, this very vehicle has probably been to your house. > > > > They are using these for delivery vans ..... > > > > Pretty cool ... I wish they would allow the same engine in a car. > > > > Jan > > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > > Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > > > Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > > > > > > Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > > > states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > > > > > > Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > > > > > > The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > > > > > > Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > > > > > > I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > > > the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > > > > > > Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > > > > > > What do you guys think?!?! > > > > > > Jim/ > > > > -- > > > > $:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: > > > > Jan > > Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage > > jan-at-buy-a-boat.com > > 262-553-1998 > > http://www.buy-a-boat.com > > > >-- >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'39 Allis Model B >'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:08:36 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Shameless promotion I'll pass this along for you as well... lots of my jeep friends could use an economy vehicle... good for chasing Jeep parts too. ;) someone else recommended this outfit to sell my WJ... I may need to adjust my price down if I don't get a job here very soon... :( john At 05:15 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Ok I really want rid of this thing. Will consider partial trades of any >Mercedes that one might have lying around :) > >http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/single/ld/detail.jhtml?paId=123519108&aff=national&sellerView=true&src=&cid= > >John.... You might want to consider putting an ad here..... Its $35 and it >runs until you sell. A friend of mine just listed his car and has already >gotten 6 responses in 1 day..... Sold me :) > >R. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:15:13 -0700 From: john Subject: Diesel engine! now, if they'd put this in a Jeep, or at least offer a 4x4 version... ;) http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/low_operating_cost.html?context=sprinter-configurations&type=left john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:40:23 +1000 From: Guy Carpenter Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! I just noticed one of these parked in town today (in Australia), done up as a camper - a rental from Maui. Looks like this: http://www.asiacarhire.com/Maui/spirit2ts_content.html It has the Merc tristar logo on the grill, and says Sprinter on the back. Guess MB and Dodge are sharing the model name. I had a good laugh about Jim's American car aesthetics; The Sprinter *is* ugly, but that still makes it the best looking Dodge on the market! No doubt in time Dodge will ship a model with artificial wood grain and 8 cup holders, and big flared fenders, and little satanic rams stencilled in the taillights. Then it will match the marque. At 01:33 AM 15/04/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Ah yes..... > >The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge dealer >near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw the >horrific dodge badge on it.... > >Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. > >Robert. > > > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > >>Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... >>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... >> >>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the >>states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! >> >>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( >> >>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! >> >>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter >> >>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on >>the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... >> >>Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm >> >>What do you guys think?!?! >> >>Jim/ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #965 *********************************