From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #966 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 966 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Diesel engine! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! A/C Compressor help ChicagoArea event Re: ChicagoArea event RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: Diesel engine! Re: A/C Compressor help Re: Diesel engine! Re: A/C Compressor help Re: A/C Compressor help Re: A/C Compressor help Re: Diesel engine! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:29:13 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Diesel engine! Sheesh even the dodge lies! "The words "Mercedes-Benz" and "high resale" go hand-in-hand. Always have, always will. Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body combine to make a vehicle sure to have strong resale value. " Ok so like "dodge body"? That vehicle is a Mercedes Benz probably shipped without a grille. Im sure thats the ONLY difference between the Sprinter and its MB counterpart sold in europe. I love the way that they take credit for something they slapped a grille on. R. john wrote: > now, if they'd put this in a Jeep, or at least offer a 4x4 version... ;) > > http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/low_operating_cost.html?context=sprinter-configurations&type=left > > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:15:13 -0500 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! I guess I should start saving my pennies now for when they show up on the used market. Jan and her 1985 300TD Robert Chase wrote: > Jan, > > Rumor has it that the new E will be powered by a diesel in the next > model year. I have been talking to the MB sales people and they have > even tried to get me to preorder one. I doubt there will be huge demand > and want to see one in the flesh before I would even consider buying > one. As well lately im on an "old car" kick and wont be buying anything > new for a long time. > > Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:32:45 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Ooooh, Wonder if the camper models will make it here? If they do Im sure that a little time and effort could be used to "sanatize" the car on the outside and inside to remove the satanic dodge embelems and other crapola from the interior...... Get a becker radio to go in the dash :) R. Guy Carpenter wrote: > I just noticed one of these parked in town today > (in Australia), done up as a camper - a rental from Maui. > Looks like this: > http://www.asiacarhire.com/Maui/spirit2ts_content.html > > It has the Merc tristar logo on > the grill, and says Sprinter on the > back. Guess MB and Dodge are sharing > the model name. > > I had a good laugh about Jim's American car aesthetics; > The Sprinter *is* ugly, but that still makes it the best looking > Dodge on the market! No doubt in time Dodge will > ship a model with artificial wood grain and 8 cup holders, > and big flared fenders, and little satanic rams stencilled > in the taillights. Then it will match the marque. > > > At 01:33 AM 15/04/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Ah yes..... >> >> The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge >> dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then >> saw the horrific dodge badge on it.... >> >> Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. >> >> Robert. >> >> >> >> Jim Hoffman wrote: >> >>> Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... >>> Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... >>> >>> Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the >>> states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! >>> >>> Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( >>> >>> The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! >>> >>> Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter >>> >>> I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on >>> the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... >>> >>> Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm >>> >>> What do you guys think?!?! >>> >>> Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:50:55 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Yeah, Lots of pennies...... They want almost 50k for a base model gasser E now. Who know's what the diesel will be...... At least they havent really ever given up on diesel's.... There have been a few years where they have not been made but they have usually had them up until the 2000 model year.... R. Jan Guthrie wrote: >I guess I should start saving my pennies now for when they show up on the >used market. > >Jan and her 1985 300TD > >Robert Chase wrote: > > > >>Jan, >> >>Rumor has it that the new E will be powered by a diesel in the next >>model year. I have been talking to the MB sales people and they have >>even tried to get me to preorder one. I doubt there will be huge demand >>and want to see one in the flesh before I would even consider buying >>one. As well lately im on an "old car" kick and wont be buying anything >>new for a long time. >> >>Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:58:21 -0700 From: REisenhardt-at-AlienTechnology.com Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Jim I saw a lot of these in Europe a couple of years ago. Always wondered why they were not exported to the US. Randy - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:27 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm What do you guys think?!?! Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:15:23 EDT From: FDavid1063-at-aol.com Subject: A/C Compressor help Hi Guys, My mechanic finally found the leak in my A/C system. It's a tiny leak on the compressor. The mechanic said the new compressor alone, for just the part, would be around $1200. Whew! Any suggestions for a source for another compressor or do you know if it's possible to fix the leak? (The mechanic said it's a nasty job to replace the compressor and recommends against putting in a new one). David 1983 300D Turbo 152k (3k from the 150k medallion!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:08:24 -0500 From: DanG Subject: ChicagoArea event Any and all - this is a MUST SEE - a rare event to be sure. We oughta at least make an MB showing like we did a year ago at Winthrop Harbor - GerryV, DaveH, Jan, Terry, JimH, etc - lets make this a show for us too. We could even have Terry do a motocross - somewhere - certainly not at Jasper's house... It really is an extraordinary thing. I have been there the past 3 years and will still enjoy it again this year. Thanks for the invite Ginny. If anyone needs directions, let me know. Dan ChicagoArea Ginny Warren wrote: > Hello Gentle Listers... > Next Saturday 18 April, Jasper Sanfilip has allowed my dad, George Carlson, > to invite his Model T Club friends, historical society friends, and by > extension, my "buddies" on the MB list to visit his incredible place in > Barrington Hills, Illinois. > Anyone with an interest in seeing this private collection of music machines. > steam engines, an operating steam locomotive, and (my favorite) the > completely restored Carousel from the Paris Exposition, complete with three > operating steam engines and the entire exterior facade!! The show piece of > his collection is his magnificent pipe organ, complete with theater, said to > be the largest pipe organ in the world. If we are lucky, we will be able to > climb the 4 stories of pipes and ranks behind the scenes as the organ is > playing:AWESOME! > Anyone in the Chicagoland area that is interested, please contact me off list > for directions and times. This collection is not open to the public and it > defies description. List member Dan > Gordon: Are you coming? I'll be driving "Diesela" up Thursday......... > Hope some of you can make it. Last year we had almost 300 show up and it was > not overcrowded!! > Ginny Warren > gtobino2-at-aol.com > "Diesela" 1982 300SD > 297,000miiles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:22:19 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: ChicagoArea event hey, I think my 30th HS reunion is going to happen next year in the Chicago area... not sure if I'll fly in or drive. If I drive I'd like to drive my 190D, but if the wife has her preference I know it'll be in the '99 WJ. Thinking about it I'd rather drive my J10 (if it's done by then. ;) But either way, there's a bunch of FSJ and XJ folks out there as well... be interesting to meet up with everyone when (and if) I get back there. btw, did you mean autocross instead of motocross??? john At 09:08 AM 4/15/2003 -0500, DanG wrote: >Any and all - this is a MUST SEE - a rare event to be sure. We oughta at >least make an MB >showing like we did a year ago at Winthrop Harbor - GerryV, DaveH, Jan, >Terry, JimH, etc - >lets make this a show for us too. We could even have Terry do a motocross >- somewhere - >certainly not at Jasper's house... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:27:45 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! At 07:58 AM 4/15/2003 -0700, REisenhardt-at-AlienTechnology.com wrote: >To: jslash-at-execpc.com, diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! >Jim >I saw a lot of these in Europe a couple of years ago. Always wondered why >They were not exported to the US. These things were running around in Europe in the mid-70's... If I can find some of my old pictures I'll show you... they used these things for ambulances, work trucks, etc. very common... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:26:12 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Diesel engine! who said anything about a dodge body being tough???? I had a dodge 4x4 pickup... all the 4x4 rags referred to the frame/body setup something along the lines of "spaghetti". I've looked at the Durangos... cheap, cheap, cheap... I don't see strength, or quality... Out of all the 4x4's I've had the dodge was about the worst off-road... (it was not an old powerwagon, I know they have a great reputation). john At 08:29 AM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Sheesh even the dodge lies! > >"The words "Mercedes-Benz" and "high resale" go hand-in-hand. Always have, >always will. Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body >combine to make a vehicle sure to have strong resale value. " > >Ok so like "dodge body"? That vehicle is a Mercedes Benz probably shipped >without a grille. Im sure thats the ONLY difference between the Sprinter >and its MB counterpart sold in europe. >I love the way that they take credit for something they slapped a grille on. > >R. > > > >john wrote: > >>now, if they'd put this in a Jeep, or at least offer a 4x4 version... ;) >> >>http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/low_operating_cost.html?context=sprinter-configurations&type=left >> >>john >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:28:52 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help give Rusty Cullen a call! "Rusty Cullens" Rusty Cullens Wholesale Parts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 john At 11:15 AM 4/15/2003 -0400, FDavid1063-at-aol.com wrote: >Hi Guys, > >My mechanic finally found the leak in my A/C system. It's a tiny leak on the >compressor. The mechanic said the new compressor alone, for just the part, >would be around $1200. Whew! Any suggestions for a source for another >compressor or do you know if it's possible to fix the leak? (The mechanic >said it's a nasty job to replace the compressor and recommends against >putting in a new one). > >David >1983 300D Turbo 152k >(3k from the 150k medallion!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:31:08 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Diesel engine! > Ok so like "dodge body"? That vehicle is a Mercedes Benz probably > shipped without a grille. Im sure thats the ONLY difference between the > Sprinter and its MB counterpart sold in europe. > > I love the way that they take credit for something they slapped a grille on. I figure in about 10 years I'll be able to afford a 2003 Sprinter. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:32:41 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help www.mbz.org - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: A/C Compressor help > Hi Guys, > > My mechanic finally found the leak in my A/C system. It's a tiny leak on the > compressor. The mechanic said the new compressor alone, for just the part, > would be around $1200. Whew! Any suggestions for a source for another > compressor or do you know if it's possible to fix the leak? (The mechanic > said it's a nasty job to replace the compressor and recommends against > putting in a new one). > > David > 1983 300D Turbo 152k > (3k from the 150k medallion!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:34:11 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help Hmmm, I have seen the compressors on ebay at around the $200 mark. I would expect an entirely new A/C system for $1200. I just retrofitted my house with a new heat pump for $4000 including a new water heater and all the plumbing/electrical work to convert us from natural gas to full electric (the Atlanta gas market got really screwed up from deregulation :( ). Sounds a little steep. Shop around first and challenge his price. Robert. FDavid1063-at-aol.com wrote: >Hi Guys, > >My mechanic finally found the leak in my A/C system. It's a tiny leak on the >compressor. The mechanic said the new compressor alone, for just the part, >would be around $1200. Whew! Any suggestions for a source for another >compressor or do you know if it's possible to fix the leak? (The mechanic >said it's a nasty job to replace the compressor and recommends against >putting in a new one). > >David >1983 300D Turbo 152k >(3k from the 150k medallion!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:36:12 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help > Sounds a little steep. Shop around first and challenge his price. > He may just not want to do it. Talk to someone else. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:49:24 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Diesel engine! Ok, Got me wondering now.... Im gonna drop by the dodge dealership down the street and take a peek at a sprinter...... I have a feeling im gonna find VDO guages on the dash and a very "mercedesesque" interior. R. john wrote: > who said anything about a dodge body being tough???? > > I had a dodge 4x4 pickup... all the 4x4 rags referred to the > frame/body setup something along the lines of "spaghetti". > I've looked at the Durangos... cheap, cheap, cheap... I don't > see strength, or quality... > > Out of all the 4x4's I've had the dodge was about the worst > off-road... (it was not an old powerwagon, I know they have > a great reputation). > > john > > At 08:29 AM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Sheesh even the dodge lies! >> >> "The words "Mercedes-Benz" and "high resale" go hand-in-hand. Always >> have, always will. Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable >> Dodge body combine to make a vehicle sure to have strong resale value. " >> >> Ok so like "dodge body"? That vehicle is a Mercedes Benz probably >> shipped without a grille. Im sure thats the ONLY difference between >> the Sprinter and its MB counterpart sold in europe. >> I love the way that they take credit for something they slapped a >> grille on. >> >> R. >> >> >> >> john wrote: >> >>> now, if they'd put this in a Jeep, or at least offer a 4x4 >>> version... ;) >>> >>> http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/low_operating_cost.html?context=sprinter-configurations&type=left >>> >>> john >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >>> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #966 *********************************