From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #967 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 967 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: A/C Compressor help Re: Diesel engine! Re: Diesel engine! Re: A/C Compressor help Re: Diesel engine! RE: Diesel engine! Re: Diesel engine! Re: A/C Compressor help EPA Proposes Curbing Diesel Pollution RE: Diesel engine! Re: A/C Compressor help Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:51:46 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help Yep, Thats possible too. Changing out an A/C compressor may be a slight pain but is not "that" bad when you have a shop with a lift/light/nice tools. R. Paul Schwartz wrote: >>Sounds a little steep. Shop around first and challenge his price. >> >> >> > >He may just not want to do it. Talk to someone else. > >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:53:35 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Diesel engine! At 12:49 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Ok, >Got me wondering now.... Im gonna drop by the dodge dealership down the >street and take a peek at a sprinter...... I have a feeling im gonna find >VDO guages on the dash and a very "mercedesesque" interior. >R. hey, another option is to buy one of these after they've been rolled and use the engine in a "real" vehicle, you know, like a Jeep Cherokee or an older Full Sized Jeep... ;) john ==================================================================== If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to assume that it is anything other than a duck. However, in this era of post-modern license with basic linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. john-at- http://wagoneers.com ''De Ominibus Dubitantum.'' Doubt everything. (except for one thing... ) ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:57:06 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Diesel engine! Hmmmmm, Or if the engine ends up being a good one slide it into another MB product. Hmmmm Imagine a early 80's vintage S class Benz powered by a brand new diesel engine. R. p.s. hmmmmm Im getting the idea that people have figured out we are unemployed John what do you think :) john wrote: > At 12:49 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Ok, >> Got me wondering now.... Im gonna drop by the dodge dealership down >> the street and take a peek at a sprinter...... I have a feeling im >> gonna find VDO guages on the dash and a very "mercedesesque" interior. >> R. > > > hey, another option is to buy one of these after they've been rolled > and use the engine in a "real" vehicle, you know, like a Jeep Cherokee > or an older Full Sized Jeep... ;) > > john > > ==================================================================== > > If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics > consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat > bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to > assume that it is anything other than a duck. > > However, in this era of post-modern license with basic > linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we > say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, > intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace > his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. > > john-at- http://wagoneers.com > > ''De Ominibus Dubitantum.'' Doubt everything. (except for one thing... ) > > ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:40:00 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help btw, if Rusty's price is up there too, try one of the Benz wrecking yards... Benz Friends in Seattle would have one too... I bought one from them for my 300SD... can't remember what it cost or if it worked, sold both the car and the part before installing... :) john At 12:34 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Hmmm, > >I have seen the compressors on ebay at around the $200 mark. I would >expect an entirely new A/C system for $1200. I just retrofitted my house >with a new heat pump for $4000 including a new water heater and all the >plumbing/electrical work to convert us from natural gas to full electric >(the Atlanta gas market got really screwed up from deregulation :( ). > >Sounds a little steep. Shop around first and challenge his price. > >Robert. > > > >FDavid1063-at-aol.com wrote: > >>Hi Guys, >> >>My mechanic finally found the leak in my A/C system. It's a tiny leak on >>the compressor. The mechanic said the new compressor alone, for just the >>part, would be around $1200. Whew! Any suggestions for a source for >>another compressor or do you know if it's possible to fix the leak? (The >>mechanic said it's a nasty job to replace the compressor and recommends >>against putting in a new one). >> >>David >>1983 300D Turbo 152k >>(3k from the 150k medallion!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:06:05 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Diesel engine! At 12:57 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Hmmmmm, > >Or if the engine ends up being a good one slide it into another MB >product. Hmmmm Imagine a early 80's vintage S class Benz powered by a >brand new diesel engine. I wonder if it'd fit in a 190D? Bet that thing would sail... ;) If it weren't for the Rube Goldberg systems in a 300D (123) that would be a nice setup... :) I still think a nice Jeep would benefit from this powerplant. :) I'm waiting to see how the 4.0L transplant works in my '83 J10 Stepside, if that works out then I'll get serious about building up a Mercedes Turbo Diesel powered Jeep of some kind. I think an XJ (Cherokee) would be the best, weight and size wise... However, need to look at this CDI, if it has the oomph a nice clean Grand Wagoneer might be a good candidate. :) >R. > >p.s. hmmmmm Im getting the idea that people have figured out we are >unemployed John what do you think :) probably, looks like they're pretty much ignoring us, just like all the employers... ;) (actually have had some activity in the last couple of days! interviewed both yesterday and today! I'm hoping something pans out or I'll soon be out panhandling... ;) later, john >john wrote: > >>At 12:49 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >> >>>Ok, >>>Got me wondering now.... Im gonna drop by the dodge dealership down the >>>street and take a peek at a sprinter...... I have a feeling im gonna >>>find VDO guages on the dash and a very "mercedesesque" interior. >>>R. >> >> >>hey, another option is to buy one of these after they've been rolled >>and use the engine in a "real" vehicle, you know, like a Jeep Cherokee >>or an older Full Sized Jeep... ;) >> >>john >> >>==================================================================== >> >> If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics >> consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat >> bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to >> assume that it is anything other than a duck. >> >> However, in this era of post-modern license with basic >> linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we >> say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, >> intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace >> his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. >> >> john-at- http://wagoneers.com >> >>''De Ominibus Dubitantum.'' Doubt everything. (except for one thing... ) >> >>==================================================================== >> >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:23:28 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Diesel engine! > >Hmmmmm, > > > >Or if the engine ends up being a good one slide it into another MB > >product. Hmmmm Imagine a early 80's vintage S class Benz powered by a > >brand new diesel engine. > > I wonder if it'd fit in a 190D? Bet that thing would sail... ;) > If it weren't for the Rube Goldberg systems in a 300D (123) that > would be a nice setup... :) I still think a nice Jeep would benefit > from this powerplant. :) > > I'm waiting to see how the 4.0L transplant works in my '83 J10 Stepside, > if that works out then I'll get serious about building up a Mercedes > Turbo Diesel powered Jeep of some kind. I think an XJ (Cherokee) would > be the best, weight and size wise... However, need to look at > this CDI, if it has the oomph a nice clean Grand Wagoneer might be > a good candidate. :) > Remember that a CDI diesel is a heavily computerized diesel, with all kinds of sensors measuring all kinds of things. They would probably be a LOT more difficult to transplant than the simpler mechanical injection diesels of the 80's. On the job issue, I suspect those of us that still have jobs try not to do or say anything in fear of jinxing that. ;-) Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:27:49 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Diesel engine! john wrote: > At 12:57 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Hmmmmm, >> >> Or if the engine ends up being a good one slide it into another MB >> product. Hmmmm Imagine a early 80's vintage S class Benz powered by >> a brand new diesel engine. > > > I wonder if it'd fit in a 190D? Bet that thing would sail... ;) > If it weren't for the Rube Goldberg systems in a 300D (123) that > would be a nice setup... :) I still think a nice Jeep would benefit > from this powerplant. :) Hmmm Sometimes im just amazed at what my 300SD will do. It seems like a poky old car when you first drive it but then you realize that there is lots of power hiding there for you. If you put your foot in it the spedometer moves disproportiontly to the tach :) > > I'm waiting to see how the 4.0L transplant works in my '83 J10 Stepside, > if that works out then I'll get serious about building up a Mercedes > Turbo Diesel powered Jeep of some kind. I think an XJ (Cherokee) would > be the best, weight and size wise... However, need to look at > this CDI, if it has the oomph a nice clean Grand Wagoneer might be > a good candidate. :) Hmmmm Imagine a Jeep with a big bio diesel tank in the back :) > > >> R. >> >> p.s. hmmmmm Im getting the idea that people have figured out we are >> unemployed John what do you think :) > > > probably, looks like they're pretty much ignoring us, just like > all the employers... ;) (actually have had some activity in the > last couple of days! interviewed both yesterday and today! I'm > hoping something pans out or I'll soon be out panhandling... ;) Hmmmm... They are probably being good employees and sitting at their desks working so they dont end up like us...... Hmmm Panhandling.... that might be a more profitible/respectable venture.... I was considering becoming a stripper or something :) > > > later, > john > >> john wrote: >> >>> At 12:49 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, >>>> Got me wondering now.... Im gonna drop by the dodge dealership down >>>> the street and take a peek at a sprinter...... I have a feeling im >>>> gonna find VDO guages on the dash and a very "mercedesesque" interior. >>>> R. >>> >>> >>> >>> hey, another option is to buy one of these after they've been rolled >>> and use the engine in a "real" vehicle, you know, like a Jeep Cherokee >>> or an older Full Sized Jeep... ;) >>> >>> john >>> >>> ==================================================================== >>> >>> If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics >>> consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat >>> bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to >>> assume that it is anything other than a duck. >>> >>> However, in this era of post-modern license with basic >>> linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we >>> say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, >>> intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace >>> his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. >>> >>> john-at- http://wagoneers.com >>> >>> ''De Ominibus Dubitantum.'' Doubt everything. (except for one >>> thing... ) >>> >>> ==================================================================== >>> >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:01:41 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help A brand new compressor (GM R4) lists for $352.00 and would cost you $262.69 shipped to your door. I am sure that you can find a comparable or better price if you look around. These are very easy to come by. This is also one of the easiest compressors ever on a Mercedes. I don't know why your mechanic didn't want to do this. The 123 chassis is one of the easiest A/C cars to repair! Good Luck! Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert L Bell Jr Subject: EPA Proposes Curbing Diesel Pollution WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration on Tuesday proposed ordering reductions of more than 90 percent in non-highway diesel engine pollution blamed for thousands of premature deaths, heart attacks and respiratory ailments. The proposal would force manufacturers of diesel-powered bulldozers, farm combines and other equipment not used on roadways to install modern emission controls between 2008 and 2014. It also would require cleaner burning diesel fuel to be used in land and marine engines. Eventually, the land-based diesel engines will have to use fuel containing 99 percent less sulfur. "This is a proposal to dramatically reduce emissions from non-road diesel engines used in construction, agricultural and industrial equipment," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. "It will require stringent, non-road engine controls and reductions of sulfur in diesel fuel." The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that by 2030, the White House-approved proposal will have prevented 9,600 premature deaths, 16,000 heart attacks and 260,000 respiratory problems in children. The proposed rule would be made final next year after EPA evaluates public comments. Construction, farm, mining, locomotive and marine engines are the main sources of off-road diesel pollution, such as sulfur dioxide that causes acid rain, microscopic soot linked to respiratory problems and nitrogen oxides that form smog. By regulating these engines, EPA essentially would be bringing the requirements for off-road vehicles and their fuel in line with those for large highway trucks and buses. Taken together, the package of regulations "will be the most far-reaching diesel programs in the world today," EPA Administrator Christie Whitman said. "While we want to gain all these benefits, what we don't want to do is put people out of business," she said. Environmental groups such as the Natural Resources Defense Council praised the agency's move. When it takes effect, said NRDC senior attorney Richard Kassel, "Gov. Whitman's bold proposal will be the biggest public health step since lead was removed from gasoline more than two decades ago." EPA already has imposed tougher emissions requirements for diesel locomotive engines. EPA released the proposal after it learned that two advocacy groups, the American Lung Association and Environmental Defense, were issuing a report Tuesday calling for tougher standards for the off-road diesel engines and fuel. "The breathtaking hazards posed by diesel exhaust stand in stark contrast to the lack of a comprehensive program to control diesel emissions from all their sources," says the report, which said current federal regulations of diesel engines and fuel are "a chaotic patchwork." Particularly susceptible to the effects of diesel exhaust, it says, are children, the elderly, and people with asthma, cardiopulmonary, lung and chronic heart diseases ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:39:38 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Diesel engine! At 12:23 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: >Remember that a CDI diesel is a heavily computerized diesel, with all kinds >of sensors measuring all kinds of things. They would probably be a LOT more >difficult to transplant than the simpler mechanical injection diesels of the >80's. no different then dropping a 4.0L into the '83... using the entire wiring harness from the '96 XJ and all the computers... >On the job issue, I suspect those of us that still have jobs try not to do >or say anything in fear of jinxing that. ;-) understand... ;) john >Alec - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:42:37 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help sounds like he needs to start looking for a different mechanic... john At 11:01 AM 4/15/2003 -0400, Eurowerks wrote: >A brand new compressor (GM R4) lists for $352.00 and would cost you $262.69 >shipped to your door. I am sure that you can find a comparable or better >price if you look around. These are very easy to come by. >This is also one of the easiest compressors ever on a Mercedes. I don't >know why your mechanic didn't want to do this. The 123 chassis is one of >the easiest A/C cars to repair! >Good Luck! > >Kirk A. Gilchrist >EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair >8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 >eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #967 *********************************