From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #969 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 969 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: EPA Proposes Curbing Diesel Pollution RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: A/C Compressor help RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! RE: Diesel engine! Re: Diesel engine! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! 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Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:56:12 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: EPA Proposes Curbing Diesel Pollution And I am sure that the added costs of refining will be passed on to the consumer(us). :( WB - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Frank [mailto:mfrank-at-westnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:02 PM To: Diesel Benz Subject: Re: EPA Proposes Curbing Diesel Pollution If any of you are near NYC, and experienced the Diesel pollution in downtown Manhattan as the WTC clean up was in progress, you know this was a long time in coming. Far from being bad news to us, it means that Diesel is being cleaned up for prime time...I'm actually pretty happy about it. If Diesel shakes off it's grimy image, maybe more people will find it to be an acceptable alternative for automotive use. Mike Frank At 02:22 PM 4/15/03, Robert L Bell Jr wrote: >WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration on Tuesday proposed ordering >reductions of more than 90 percent in non-highway diesel engine pollution >blamed for thousands of premature deaths, heart attacks and respiratory >ailments. >The proposal would force manufacturers of diesel-powered bulldozers, farm >combines and other equipment not used on roadways to install modern >emission controls between 2008 and 2014. It also would require cleaner >burning diesel fuel to be used in land and marine engines. Eventually, the >land-based diesel engines will have to use fuel containing 99 percent less >sulfur. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:16:34 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! You "need" more than I... The wife and I built one for $35k ;) Jim/ > Well, I went through the "build your own" process on the Dodge website. $40k > with all the "necessary" options. Man, that's a lot of scratch. If they just > didn't look so ugly... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Black, Waylon [mailto:wblack-at-deltacorp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:54 PM > To: 'Robert Chase'; jslash-at-execpc.com > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > > Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge emblem is > that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see many 'Chrysler' > products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, > Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL NOT have > a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge full-size > van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would continue > buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of sales - > from the van conversion companies. I really like the > > 'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', > > uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? > > I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use > Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if you wanted > a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a Dodge(even > if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. You now > get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. > > Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB part? > ;) > > And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. The next > gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. > > Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific Dodge' > remark. LOL > > WB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM > To: jslash-at-execpc.com > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > Ah yes..... > > The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge > dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw > the horrific dodge badge on it.... > > Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. > > Robert. > > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > >Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > > > >Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > >states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > > > >Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > > > >The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > > > >Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > > > >I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > >the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > > > >Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > > > >What do you guys think?!?! > > > >Jim/ > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help FDavid1063-at-aol.com wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > My mechanic finally found the leak in my A/C system. It's a tiny leak on the > compressor. The mechanic said the new compressor alone, for just the part, > would be around $1200. Whew! Any suggestions for a source for another > compressor or do you know if it's possible to fix the leak? (The mechanic > said it's a nasty job to replace the compressor and recommends against > putting in a new one). > **** Huh? I've done this job. It's not particularly nasty. And I have tendinitis in both hands! The compressor is a standard American item. It's easily accessible from underneath. I bought a rebuilt from Pep Boys for $115. I can't imagine a new one being more than $300 or so. I recommend changing mechanics. Find someone who knows the car. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) > David > 1983 300D Turbo 152k > (3k from the 150k medallion!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:22:09 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Yeah, I need more seating. With 4 kids and possibly more on the way.... heck, they each need their own zip code. ;-B - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:17 PM To: Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! You "need" more than I... The wife and I built one for $35k ;) Jim/ > Well, I went through the "build your own" process on the Dodge website. $40k > with all the "necessary" options. Man, that's a lot of scratch. If they just > didn't look so ugly... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Black, Waylon [mailto:wblack-at-deltacorp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:54 PM > To: 'Robert Chase'; jslash-at-execpc.com > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > > Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge emblem is > that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see many 'Chrysler' > products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, > Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL NOT have > a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge full-size > van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would continue > buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of sales - > from the van conversion companies. I really like the > > 'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', > > uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? > > I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use > Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if you wanted > a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a Dodge(even > if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. You now > get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. > > Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB part? > ;) > > And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. The next > gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. > > Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific Dodge' > remark. LOL > > WB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM > To: jslash-at-execpc.com > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > Ah yes..... > > The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge > dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw > the horrific dodge badge on it.... > > Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. > > Robert. > > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > >Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > > > >Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > >states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > > > >Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > > > >The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > > > >Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > > > >I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > >the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > > > >Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > > > >What do you guys think?!?! > > > >Jim/ > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:23:57 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Diesel engine! At 03:30 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: >You never know, they might pay you to keep your clothes on. :) hey, now that might work well for him to get one of these things... ;) What's the paypal account? ;) john >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] >Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 3:26 PM >To: john; diesel Benz >Subject: Re: Diesel engine! > > >Yeah, > >Heh heh.... Yeah..... I think the city of Atlanta would thank me for >keeping my clothes on :) > >R. > > > >john wrote: > > > At 01:27 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > > > >> Hmmmm... They are probably being good employees and sitting at their > >> desks working so they dont end up like us...... Hmmm Panhandling.... > >> that might be a more profitible/respectable venture.... I was > >> considering becoming a stripper or something :) > > > > > > we need to talk about other options... ;) > > > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:22:51 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Diesel engine! the damage to our mental pictures has been significant already... I suspect your suggestion will gainfully employ counselors and other mental health care providers for some time... ;) First we're hit upside the head with the "ugly" dodge and then this... when will this travesty stop? ;) oh the pain... :) (mlc: we can only hope that that engine will find it's way into a beautiful Benz... so that in 10 or 15 years many of the list members will be able to own one. ;) john At 03:26 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Yeah, > >Heh heh.... Yeah..... I think the city of Atlanta would thank me for >keeping my clothes on :) >R. > >john wrote: > >>At 01:27 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >> >>>Hmmmm... They are probably being good employees and sitting at their >>>desks working so they dont end up like us...... Hmmm Panhandling.... >>>that might be a more profitible/respectable venture.... I was >>>considering becoming a stripper or something :) >> >> >>we need to talk about other options... ;) >> >>john >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:26:01 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! ok, send them, but name 'em w/o spaces: sprinter_1.jpg etc. will park 'em at: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/Sprinter/ btw, how much? wish they had a smaller, shorter version in 4x4, even if it was a "mini-van" it'd be nice to have that engine... I'm surprised it only gets 22mpg though. :( john At 03:31 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >:( > >Really???? > >Anyway.... I went to see the Sprinter today..... Dodge dealership near me >had about 20 of them on the lot. From what I can see its a rebadged >MB.... Spedometer right out of an S class and a very MBesque >exterior.... Looks like the interior fabric is dodge though since it >looks like it should belong in a neon. I took some photos and could >attach them if this list supports that :) or perhaps I could convince John >to stick them on his server :) > >R. > > > >Black, Waylon wrote: > >>Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge emblem is >>that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see many 'Chrysler' >>products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, >>Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL NOT have >>a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge full-size >>van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would continue >>buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of sales - >>from the van conversion companies. I really like the >>'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', >>uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? >> >>I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use >>Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if you wanted >>a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a Dodge(even >>if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. You now >>get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. >> >>Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB part? >>;) >> >>And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. The next >>gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. >> >>Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific Dodge' >>remark. LOL >>WB >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] >>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM >>To: jslash-at-execpc.com >>Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! >> >>Ah yes..... >> >>The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge >>dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw >>the horrific dodge badge on it.... >> >>Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. >> >>Robert. >> >> >> >>Jim Hoffman wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... >>>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... >>> >>>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the >>>states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! >>> >>>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( >>> >>>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! >>> >>>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter >>> >>>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on >>>the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... >>> >>>Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm >>> >>>What do you guys think?!?! >>> >>>Jim/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:28:39 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Been there, done that... Oldest is in college now. Only two left ;) Jim/ > Yeah, I need more seating. With 4 kids and possibly more on the way.... heck, > they each need their own zip code. ;-B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:17 PM > To: Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > > You "need" more than I... The wife and I built one for $35k ;) > > Jim/ > > > Well, I went through the "build your own" process on the Dodge > website. $40k > > with all the "necessary" options. Man, that's a lot of scratch. If > they just > > didn't look so ugly... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Black, Waylon [mailto:wblack-at-deltacorp.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:54 PM > > To: 'Robert Chase'; jslash-at-execpc.com > > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > > > > > Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge > emblem is > > that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see > many 'Chrysler' > > products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, > > Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL > NOT have > > a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge > full-size > > van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would > continue > > buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of > sales - > > from the van conversion companies. I really like the > > > > 'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', > > > > uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? > > > > I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use > > Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if you > wanted > > a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a > Dodge(even > > if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. > You now > > get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. > > > > Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB > part? > > ;) > > > > And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. The > next > > gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. > > > > Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific > Dodge' > > remark. LOL > > > > WB > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM > > To: jslash-at-execpc.com > > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > > > Ah yes..... > > > > The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge > > dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw > > the horrific dodge badge on it.... > > > > Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. > > > > Robert. > > > > > > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > >Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > > >Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > > > > > >Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > > >states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > > > > > >Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > > > > > >The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > > > > > >Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > > > > > >I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > > >the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > > > > > >Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > > > > > >What do you guys think?!?! > > > > > >Jim/ > > > > -- > Jim Hoffman > Oconomowoc WI > '39 Allis Model B > '53 Ford Golden Jubilee > '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #969 *********************************