From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #970 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 970 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:32:15 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! Your photos would be great.... If you looked at mine you noticed they were both "plain" old white. I'd like to see what they look like in other colors... Maybe they don't look so ugly ;) Please John... ;) Jim/ > :( > > Really???? > > Anyway.... I went to see the Sprinter today..... Dodge dealership near > me had about 20 of them on the lot. From what I can see its a rebadged > MB.... Spedometer right out of an S class and a very MBesque > exterior.... Looks like the interior fabric is dodge though since it > looks like it should belong in a neon. I took some photos and could > attach them if this list supports that :) or perhaps I could convince > John to stick them on his server :) > > R. > > > > Black, Waylon wrote: > > >Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge emblem is > >that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see many 'Chrysler' > >products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, > >Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL NOT have > >a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge full-size > >van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would continue > >buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of sales - > >from the van conversion companies. I really like the > > > >'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', > > > >uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? > > > >I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use > >Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if you wanted > >a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a Dodge(even > >if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. You now > >get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. > > > >Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB part? > >;) > > > >And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. The next > >gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. > > > >Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific Dodge' > >remark. LOL > > > >WB > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM > >To: jslash-at-execpc.com > >Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > > > >Ah yes..... > > > >The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge > >dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw > >the horrific dodge badge on it.... > > > >Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. > > > >Robert. > > > > > > > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > > > > >>Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > >>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > >> > >>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > >>states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > >> > >>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > >> > >>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > >> > >>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > >> > >>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > >>the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > >> > >>Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > >> > >>What do you guys think?!?! > >> > >>Jim/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:37:21 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! I think that might be the only color..... At least 20 or more of the things all white.... R. Jim Hoffman wrote: >Your photos would be great.... If you looked at mine you noticed >they were both "plain" old white. I'd like to see what they look >like in other colors... Maybe they don't look so ugly ;) > >Please John... ;) > >Jim/ > > > >>:( >> >>Really???? >> >>Anyway.... I went to see the Sprinter today..... Dodge dealership >> >> >near > > >>me had about 20 of them on the lot. From what I can see its a >> >> >rebadged > > >>MB.... Spedometer right out of an S class and a very MBesque >>exterior.... Looks like the interior fabric is dodge though since it >>looks like it should belong in a neon. I took some photos and could >>attach them if this list supports that :) or perhaps I could convince >>John to stick them on his server :) >> >>R. >> >> >> >>Black, Waylon wrote: >> >> >> >>>Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge >>> >>> >emblem is > > >>>that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see >>> >>> >many 'Chrysler' > > >>>products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, >>>Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL >>> >>> >NOT have > > >>>a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge >>> >>> >full-size > > >>>van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would >>> >>> >continue > > >>>buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of >>> >>> >sales - > > >>>from the van conversion companies. I really like the >> >> >>>'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', >>> >>>uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? >>> >>>I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use >>>Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if >>> >>> >you wanted > > >>>a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a >>> >>> >Dodge(even > > >>>if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. >>> >>> >You now > > >>>get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. >>> >>>Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB >>> >>> >part? > > >>>;) >>> >>>And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. >>> >>> >The next > > >>>gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. >>> >>>Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific >>> >>> >Dodge' > > >>>remark. LOL >>> >>>WB >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM >>>To: jslash-at-execpc.com >>>Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>>Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! >>> >>>Ah yes..... >>> >>>The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge >>>dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then >>> >>> >saw > > >>>the horrific dodge badge on it.... >>> >>>Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. >>> >>>Robert. >>> >>> >>> >>>Jim Hoffman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... >>>>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... >>>> >>>>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the >>>>states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! >>>> >>>>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( >>>> >>>>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! >>>> >>>>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter >>>> >>>>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on >>>>the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... >>>> >>>>Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm >>>> >>>>What do you guys think?!?! >>>> >>>>Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:46:33 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! That's 22mpg in the CITY... I'd bet more like 30 on the HWY... jim/ > ok, send them, but name 'em w/o spaces: > > sprinter_1.jpg etc. will park 'em at: > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/Sprinter/ > > btw, how much? wish they had a smaller, shorter version > in 4x4, even if it was a "mini-van" it'd be nice to have > that engine... I'm surprised it only gets 22mpg though. :( > > john > > At 03:31 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >:( > > > >Really???? > > > >Anyway.... I went to see the Sprinter today..... Dodge dealership near me > >had about 20 of them on the lot. From what I can see its a rebadged > >MB.... Spedometer right out of an S class and a very MBesque > >exterior.... Looks like the interior fabric is dodge though since it > >looks like it should belong in a neon. I took some photos and could > >attach them if this list supports that :) or perhaps I could convince John > >to stick them on his server :) > > > >R. > > > > > > > >Black, Waylon wrote: > > > >>Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge emblem is > >>that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see many 'Chrysler' > >>products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, > >>Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL NOT have > >>a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge full-size > >>van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would continue > >>buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of sales - > >>from the van conversion companies. I really like the > >>'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', > >>uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? > >> > >>I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use > >>Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if you wanted > >>a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a Dodge(even > >>if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. You now > >>get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. > >> > >>Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB part? > >>;) > >> > >>And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. The next > >>gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. > >> > >>Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific Dodge' > >>remark. LOL > >>WB > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > >>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM > >>To: jslash-at-execpc.com > >>Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >>Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > >> > >>Ah yes..... > >> > >>The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge > >>dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then saw > >>the horrific dodge badge on it.... > >> > >>Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. > >> > >>Robert. > >> > >> > >> > >>Jim Hoffman wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > >>>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > >>> > >>>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > >>>states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > >>> > >>>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > >>> > >>>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > >>> > >>>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > >>> > >>>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > >>>the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > >>> > >>>Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > >>> > >>>What do you guys think?!?! > >>> > >>>Jim/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:50:09 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! According to the web site there are about a dozen colors. > I think that might be the only color..... > > At least 20 or more of the things all white.... > > R. > > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >Your photos would be great.... If you looked at mine you noticed > >they were both "plain" old white. I'd like to see what they look > >like in other colors... Maybe they don't look so ugly ;) > > > >Please John... ;) > > > >Jim/ > > > > > > > >>:( > >> > >>Really???? > >> > >>Anyway.... I went to see the Sprinter today..... Dodge dealership > >> > >> > >near > > > > > >>me had about 20 of them on the lot. From what I can see its a > >> > >> > >rebadged > > > > > >>MB.... Spedometer right out of an S class and a very MBesque > >>exterior.... Looks like the interior fabric is dodge though since it > >>looks like it should belong in a neon. I took some photos and could > >>attach them if this list supports that :) or perhaps I could convince > >>John to stick them on his server :) > >> > >>R. > >> > >> > >> > >>Black, Waylon wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge > >>> > >>> > >emblem is > > > > > >>>that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see > >>> > >>> > >many 'Chrysler' > > > > > >>>products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai, > >>>Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL > >>> > >>> > >NOT have > > > > > >>>a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge > >>> > >>> > >full-size > > > > > >>>van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would > >>> > >>> > >continue > > > > > >>>buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of > >>> > >>> > >sales - > > > > > >>>from the van conversion companies. I really like the > >> > >> > >>>'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', > >>> > >>>uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge? > >>> > >>>I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use > >>>Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if > >>> > >>> > >you wanted > > > > > >>>a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a > >>> > >>> > >Dodge(even > > > > > >>>if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way. > >>> > >>> > >You now > > > > > >>>get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van. > >>> > >>>Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB > >>> > >>> > >part? > > > > > >>>;) > >>> > >>>And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. > >>> > >>> > >The next > > > > > >>>gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based. > >>> > >>>Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific > >>> > >>> > >Dodge' > > > > > >>>remark. LOL > >>> > >>>WB > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM > >>>To: jslash-at-execpc.com > >>>Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >>>Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!! > >>> > >>>Ah yes..... > >>> > >>>The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge > >>>dealer near me....... I thought it was a MB van at first and then > >>> > >>> > >saw > > > > > >>>the horrific dodge badge on it.... > >>> > >>>Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star. > >>> > >>>Robert. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Jim Hoffman wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Well guys!!! I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet.... > >>>>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?! I doubt it.... > >>>> > >>>>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the > >>>>states. It's my dream vehicle!! Diesel Mini-Van! > >>>> > >>>>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!! :( > >>>> > >>>>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!! > >>>> > >>>>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter > >>>> > >>>>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on > >>>>the lot! One panel edition, one passenger edition... > >>>> > >>>>Pics at: http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm > >>>> > >>>>What do you guys think?!?! > >>>> > >>>>Jim/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #970 *********************************