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diesel-benz-digest       Tuesday, April 15 2003       Volume 01 : Number 971



Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles
       Derick Amburgey <k7dxx-at-hotmail.com>
       Digest Coordinator

Contents:

	Sprinter (Diesel) pix, 300SD too...
	RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!!
	Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!!
	sunroof how to's?
	RE: Sprinter (Diesel) pix, 300SD too...
	Re: A/C Compressor help

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:52:29 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Sprinter (Diesel) pix, 300SD too...

Ok, here's Robert's pix of the Sprinter (and of Robert's 300SD)

http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/MB_SPRINTER/
http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/300SD-pix/

ok, gotta head out to teach Linux now... see y'all later,
john
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:54:29 -0500
From: "Black, Waylon" <wblack-at-deltacorp.com>
Subject: RE: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!!

Nope - they are ugly, no matter what the color they are. The only color that
might look good, is 'invisible'. ;)

Dodge has been making(using) turbo diesels in Europe. That would be great,
here. I really like the 3.1 liter 5 cylinder(sound familiar) - 140 hp/271
ft-lbs.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/Diesel.html

WB



- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: jslash-at-execpc.com
Cc: Black, Waylon; diesel-benz-at-digest.net
Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!!

I think that might be the only color.....

At least 20 or more of the things all white....

R.



Jim Hoffman wrote:

>Your photos would be great....  If you looked at mine you noticed
>they were both "plain" old white.  I'd like to see what they look
>like in other colors...  Maybe they don't look so ugly   ;)
>
>Please John...  ;)
>
>Jim/
>
> 
>
>>:(
>>
>>Really???? <g>
>>
>>Anyway.... I went to see the Sprinter today..... Dodge dealership
>>   
>>
>near
> 
>
>>me had about 20 of them on the lot.  From what I can see its a
>>   
>>
>rebadged
> 
>
>>MB.... Spedometer right out of an S class and a very MBesque
>>exterior....  Looks like the interior fabric is dodge though since it
>>looks like it should belong in a neon.  I took some photos and could
>>attach them if this list supports that :) or perhaps I could convince
>>John to stick them on his server :)
>>
>>R.
>>
>>
>>
>>Black, Waylon wrote:
>>
>>   
>>
>>>Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge
>>>     
>>>
>emblem is
> 
>
>>>that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see
>>>     
>>>
>many 'Chrysler'
> 
>
>>>products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai,
>>>Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL
>>>     
>>>
>NOT have
> 
>
>>>a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge
>>>     
>>>
>full-size
> 
>
>>>van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would
>>>     
>>>
>continue
> 
>
>>>buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of
>>>     
>>>
>sales -
> 
>
>>>from the van conversion companies. I really like the
>>   
>>
>>>'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body',
>>>
>>>uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge?
>>>
>>>I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. Use
>>>Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if
>>>     
>>>
>you wanted
> 
>
>>>a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a
>>>     
>>>
>Dodge(even
> 
>
>>>if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid way.
>>>     
>>>
>You now
> 
>
>>>get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van.
>>>
>>>Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only MB
>>>     
>>>
>part?
> 
>
>>>;)
>>>
>>>And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it.
>>>     
>>>
>The next
> 
>
>>>gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based.
>>>
>>>Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with the 'horrific
>>>     
>>>
>Dodge'
> 
>
>>>remark. LOL
>>>
>>>WB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM
>>>To: jslash-at-execpc.com
>>>Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net
>>>Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!!
>>>
>>>Ah yes.....
>>>
>>>The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge
>>>dealer near me.......  I thought it was a MB van at first and then
>>>     
>>>
>saw
> 
>
>>>the horrific dodge badge on it....
>>>
>>>Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star.
>>>
>>>Robert.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jim Hoffman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>>Well guys!!!  I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet....
>>>>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?!   I doubt it....
>>>>
>>>>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the
>>>>states.  It's my dream vehicle!!  Diesel Mini-Van!
>>>>
>>>>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!!    :(
>>>>
>>>>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!!
>>>>
>>>>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter
>>>>
>>>>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on
>>>>the lot!  One panel edition, one passenger edition...
>>>>
>>>>Pics at:  http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm
>>>>
>>>>What do you guys think?!?!
>>>>
>>>>Jim/

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:57:16 -0400
From: Robert Chase <beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org>
Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!!

Yeah... Noticed that.... Built one for $29k......  I would want the 
yellow although I wish they had an international orange color.... :)

R.



Jim Hoffman wrote:

>According to the web site there are about a dozen colors.
>
>  
>
>>I think that might be the only color.....
>>
>>At least 20 or more of the things all white....
>>
>>R.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Your photos would be great....  If you looked at mine you noticed
>>>they were both "plain" old white.  I'd like to see what they look
>>>like in other colors...  Maybe they don't look so ugly   ;)
>>>
>>>Please John...  ;)
>>>
>>>Jim/
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>:(
>>>>
>>>>Really???? <g>
>>>>
>>>>Anyway.... I went to see the Sprinter today..... Dodge dealership 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>near 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>me had about 20 of them on the lot.  From what I can see its a 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>rebadged 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>MB.... Spedometer right out of an S class and a very MBesque 
>>>>exterior....  Looks like the interior fabric is dodge though since 
>>>>        
>>>>
>it 
>  
>
>>>>looks like it should belong in a neon.  I took some photos and 
>>>>        
>>>>
>could 
>  
>
>>>>attach them if this list supports that :) or perhaps I could 
>>>>        
>>>>
>convince 
>  
>
>>>>John to stick them on his server :)
>>>>
>>>>R.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Black, Waylon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Without going into too much history - the reason it has a Dodge 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>emblem is
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>that Freightliner was/is doing poorly. You are going to see 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>many 'Chrysler'
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>products powered by(or built by) another company(read MB, Hyundai,
>>>>>Mitsibishi, Freightliner). MB needs to move some products and WILL 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>NOT have
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>a re-badged item in their line up. The Sprinter replaced the Dodge 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>full-size
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>van. MB(DCX) thought the faithful buyer, of the Dodge vans, would 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>continue
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>buying the Sprinter. That has not been the case. DCX lost a lot of 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>sales -
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>from the van conversion companies. I really like the
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>'Sprinter's Mercedes-Benz engine and tough, durable Dodge body', 
>>>>>
>>>>>uh yeah, okay. Just what part was made by Dodge?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't like it - the too tall, too narrow body just looks wrong. 
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>Use
>  
>
>>>>>Chrysler to pedal off the junk made by the others. Facts are - if 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>you wanted
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>a great diesel, buy a MB. If you wanted a tough truck/van - buy a 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>Dodge(even
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>if they are/were ugly). I guess it does make sense, in a sordid 
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>way. 
>  
>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>You now
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>get a great diesel engine, in an ugly van.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone sure that it is a MB diesel or is the valve cover the only 
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>MB 
>  
>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>part?
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>;)
>>>>>
>>>>>And if you have the slightest urge for a Neon SRT, better get it. 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>The next
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>gen. Neons will be Mitsu/Hyundai based.
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert - you have erased all your brownie points with 
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>the 'horrific 
>  
>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>Dodge'
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>remark. LOL 
>>>>>
>>>>>WB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org]
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:34 AM
>>>>>To: jslash-at-execpc.com
>>>>>Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net
>>>>>Subject: Re: New Dodge/Mercedes diesel product!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah yes.....
>>>>>
>>>>>The mb van turned into a dodge.... They have several at a the dodge
>>>>>dealer near me.......  I thought it was a MB van at first and then 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>saw
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>the horrific dodge badge on it....
>>>>>
>>>>>Its a shame MB cant import them with a three pointed star.
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well guys!!!  I'm suprised that no one has mentioned this yet....
>>>>>>Am I on the cutting edge of news?!?!   I doubt it....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dodge has finaly marketed a Mercedes Diesel product here in the
>>>>>>states.  It's my dream vehicle!!  Diesel Mini-Van!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did they hit it so hard with the "ugly stick"?!?!!    :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The new Sprinter from Dodge is here!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Check out www.dodge.com/sprinter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I visited one of my local Dodge dealers that actually had two on
>>>>>>the lot!  One panel edition, one passenger edition...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pics at:  http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/Sprinter/Sprinter.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What do you guys think?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim/

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:57:58 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: sunroof how to's?

  looked on: http://body.articles.mbz.org/
but didn't see anything on a sunroof repair...

the bridge part is bent, the parts guy at Phil Smart looked
at mine... I need to get in touch with Rusty I guess for a price/reality
check... :)

heading out to class right now, hopefully can do it tomorrow...

Rusty, if you're listening I need a price on driveshaft stuff for
an '85 190D as well... the rubber bushings, center bearing/rubber
and the sunroof bridge thing...

later,
john
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                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
          jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
- ------------------------------------------------------------------- 

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:59:25 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: Sprinter (Diesel) pix, 300SD too...

ftp error... it's toast... gone... nuked it from my pc... I think...
will check and fix...

john

At 03:55 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Damian Shaver wrote:
>John,
>
>This picture:
>
>http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/300SD-pix/RobertC-300SD_2.jpg
>
>would not show up on my browser.  Maybe the link is broken or the pic is
>corrupt or something...??
>
>I couldn't see it, but I may be isolated.
>
>Damian
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john
>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 3:52 PM
>To: Recipient list suppressed
>Subject: fsj: Sprinter (Diesel) pix, 300SD too...
>
>Ok, here's Robert's pix of the Sprinter (and of Robert's 300SD)
>
>http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/MB_SPRINTER/
>http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/300SD-pix/
>
>ok, gotta head out to teach Linux now... see y'all later,
>john
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>                    http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
>        Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
>           jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
>-------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:27:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jack Etsweiler <jack-at-emunix.emich.edu>
Subject: Re: A/C Compressor help

http://www.autopartsgo.com/1983MercedesBenz300D01805.html

Looks like these people can get you anything you want.
It has a "call for price" on this part, but it's toll-free.
Why not?  Good luck!

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