From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #983 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 983 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Blue fuel filter? RE: Blue fuel filter? RE: Blue fuel filter? Re: Blue fuel filter? on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... RE: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Re: Blue fuel filter? RE: Blue fuel filter? Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Re: Blue fuel filter? Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Re: Blue fuel filter? Re: Blue fuel filter? Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Re: Blue fuel filter? Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Re: Blue fuel filter? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:31:56 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? Uuugh.... I would hate to have my car filled by someone else...... What do you guys do for 24 hour gas stations? Pay at the pump is sooooo much easier...... Its a shame a lot of the diesel pumps have not been converted to pay at the pump yet... Robert... john wrote: > out here on the west coast we have card lock pumps... so > I can get the same fuel as the big boys... :) Pacific Pride > is the one I use. It's primarily for business users only, but > if you have a tax id and a business name they'll let you sign up. :) > > less hassle too, no credit cards, pump jockeys and if > I'm in Oregon no one trying to fill my tank for me... (Oregon > doesn't allow people to fill their own fuel tanks!!!) > > john > > At 02:14 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> All im interested in is the good diesel fuel. If its pumped from the >> same tank Ill be a good boy and pump it from the little pumps. The >> truck stuff is great! Im going to fill up at this station from now on! >> >> Robert. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:35:18 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: Blue fuel filter? By me - the truck diesel is only $0.04 cheaper than the auto. The cashier said that the fuel comes from the same tank. The other station uses the same pump - one has a little nozzle, the other is larger. The truck nozzle is about the size of a golf ball and fits into the 300 SD - barely. I have to hold it because it will not fit all the way in. You have to listen when fueling. The sound changes as the fuel get closer to the top(duh). You will get a diesel bath, if you are not careful. Waylon Dallas, Texas - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:22 PM To: Robert Chase Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? out here on the west coast we have card lock pumps... so I can get the same fuel as the big boys... :) Pacific Pride is the one I use. It's primarily for business users only, but if you have a tax id and a business name they'll let you sign up. :) less hassle too, no credit cards, pump jockeys and if I'm in Oregon no one trying to fill my tank for me... (Oregon doesn't allow people to fill their own fuel tanks!!!) john At 02:14 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >All im interested in is the good diesel fuel. If its pumped from the same >tank Ill be a good boy and pump it from the little pumps. The truck stuff >is great! Im going to fill up at this station from now on! > >Robert. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:57:09 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Blue fuel filter? At 01:22 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: >Here's a guy that's got the smoke all figured out. :) >http://freeautoadvice.com/diesel/smoke.html >I wonder if the wife would mind if I get one of those bumper stickers? :B cool, another amsoil dealer... :) we're everywhere... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:05:43 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? At 02:31 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Uuugh.... > >I would hate to have my car filled by someone else...... >What do you guys do for 24 hour gas stations? drive up and wait for the attendant... reminds me of my job in HS working at a 24hr gas station... no such thing as self-serve back then in Illinois either... and gas was only .29/gallon too... ;) >Pay at the pump is sooooo much easier...... you can still pay at the pump, the guy will run your card through the pump... when you're at a station w/o a roof it's nice in the rain to sit inside... ;) my wife actually likes this service, impossible to find up here in Washington. :) Of course the one time she did get "full service" the guy forgot to remove the hose after she paid and she drove off with it... luckily it had the disconnect thing or there might have been a mushroom cloud coming from Snohomish (it was a gas Jeep). :) >Its a shame a lot of the diesel pumps have not been converted to pay at >the pump yet... Shell/Texaco are almost all pay at the pump here... or the Card Lock services with Pacific Pride... >Robert... >john wrote: > >>out here on the west coast we have card lock pumps... so >>I can get the same fuel as the big boys... :) Pacific Pride >>is the one I use. It's primarily for business users only, but >>if you have a tax id and a business name they'll let you sign up. :) >> >>less hassle too, no credit cards, pump jockeys and if >>I'm in Oregon no one trying to fill my tank for me... (Oregon >>doesn't allow people to fill their own fuel tanks!!!) >> >>john >> >>At 02:14 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >> >>>All im interested in is the good diesel fuel. If its pumped from the >>>same tank Ill be a good boy and pump it from the little pumps. The >>>truck stuff is great! Im going to fill up at this station from now on! >>> >>>Robert. >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:37:13 GMT From: mjmason-at-juno.com Subject: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... If I still lived close enough, I'd probably have a look at this one. (Why haven't we collectively jumped on it yet? 756 hits at last check, no bidders, and only 35 minutes left on the auction... get on it, folks!) Matt http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411668780&category=6330 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:50:56 -0700 From: "Jeremy Bowne" Subject: RE: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Looks like the vinyl beige interior, not leather. :) Unless the vinyl in my 240D is actually leather. . . . Jeremy Bowne 80' 240D ~300,000+ 80' 450SEL ~147,000 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of mjmason-at-juno.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:37 PM To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... If I still lived close enough, I'd probably have a look at this one. (Why haven't we collectively jumped on it yet? 756 hits at last check, no bidders, and only 35 minutes left on the auction... get on it, folks!) Matt http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411668780 &category=6330 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:43:02 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? > Yeah, > > I hope the laws don't end up changing and they end up finding some > backwards ass way of testing diesel vehicles. Someone may want to correct me, but didn't California ban the sale of new diesel cars? I don't see many newer diesels and I don't recall any new one at the VW dealership. I don't know the answer to this question. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:46:53 -0700 From: REisenhardt-at-AlienTechnology.com Subject: RE: Blue fuel filter? http://www.cars.com/carsapp/national/?szc=95037&year=2003&srv=dealer&act=ncb ssrch&sb=dst&sk=dst&so=asc&fs=&rd=100&ddrd=30&config=t&rt=quick_ncbs.tmpl&re ferrer=configurator&trf=hmpg&mkid=48&zc=95037&x=16&y=19 2003 VW Golf TDI currently available in California (Morgan Hill, 95037). Randy - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schwartz [mailto:pschw-at-earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:43 PM To: Diesel Benz List (E-mail) Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? > Yeah, > > I hope the laws don't end up changing and they end up finding some > backwards ass way of testing diesel vehicles. Someone may want to correct me, but didn't California ban the sale of new diesel cars? I don't see many newer diesels and I don't recall any new one at the VW dealership. I don't know the answer to this question. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:50:24 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Hmmm, Price looked a bit steep to me also "reserve not met yet" could mean this is a car someone wants 5k for. As well Im more into the S Class diesels than anything else. Speaking of S Class diesels Im kinda considering an additional one. I would like a later model SDL but Im a bit afraid to go far from my ultra reliable OM617 engine. Hmmm speaking of which.... Here is a nice one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411840439&category=6330#mainImage Now if we had a Palimino Interior and was located somewhere in the southeast so I could see it first we might have a sale. Only problem would be the confusion of two almost identical cars in my driveway :) Robert. mjmason-at-juno.com wrote: >If I still lived close enough, I'd probably have a look at this one. > >(Why haven't we collectively jumped on it yet? 756 hits at last check, no bidders, and only 35 minutes left on the auction... get on it, folks!) > >Matt > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411668780&category=6330 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:53:26 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? > > Yeah, > > > > I hope the laws don't end up changing and they end up finding some > > backwards ass way of testing diesel vehicles. > > Someone may want to correct me, but didn't California ban the sale of new > diesel cars? I don't see many newer diesels and I don't recall any new one > at the VW dealership. I don't know the answer to this question. > > Paul > It's not so much that they outright ban the sale of something, they just put too many restrictions on it, in this case on exhaust emissions. Then since a disproportionately large percentage of new car sales are in California, many manufacturers find themselves stuck with either making all their products meet the stringent requirements, supporting multiple configurations sold in different places, or just blowing off the whole stupid thing. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Robert Chase wrote: > > Price looked a bit steep to me also "reserve not met yet" could mean > this is a car someone wants 5k for. *** Yeah, that's a little steep. Also, there wasn't much info on the car. The TD's OTOH, _ARE_ getting a bit rare. There's a low mileage one locally that the guy is asking $13K for! http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/pen/car/10609058.html - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:09:14 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... > *** Yeah, that's a little steep. Also, there wasn't much info on the car. > The TD's OTOH, _ARE_ getting a bit rare. There's a low mileage one locally > that the guy is asking $13K for! And that car will not be sold at that price. Locally I've seen some nice TD's for under 4K. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:29:06 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? Hmmm, Its a shame that the car companies just dont stand up to California and make it so that the Californians can't get new cars. If some car companies just said "screw you guys" and stopped selling certain models in California the consumer pressure would be so great that eventually the tree hugging hippies that control things over there would get a clue. The sad thing is they are not making the air much cleaner they are just making the cars more expensive and more difficult to sell. Honestly I don't even live in California and I am pissed at them. My Honda Accord is a ULEV so that it can pass california standards. So In turn I paid more money for that engineering that I dont even need that may or may not do anything for the enviroment. Do these emissions natzi's actually have some data that shows their stupidity works or is this just some lame theroy. Robert. acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >>>Yeah, >>> >>>I hope the laws don't end up changing and they end up finding some >>>backwards ass way of testing diesel vehicles. >>> >>> >>Someone may want to correct me, but didn't California ban the sale of new >>diesel cars? I don't see many newer diesels and I don't recall any new one >>at the VW dealership. I don't know the answer to this question. >> >>Paul >> >> >> > >It's not so much that they outright ban the sale of something, they just put >too many restrictions on it, in this case on exhaust emissions. Then since a >disproportionately large percentage of new car sales are in California, many >manufacturers find themselves stuck with either making all their products meet >the stringent requirements, supporting multiple configurations sold in >different places, or just blowing off the whole stupid thing. > >Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? Robert Chase wrote: > > > Its a shame that the car companies just dont stand up to California and > make it so that the Californians can't get new cars. If some car > companies just said "screw you guys" and stopped selling certain models > in California the consumer pressure would be so great that eventually > the tree hugging hippies that control things over there *** I think the major pressure for emission control came from the L.A. area. The "tree hugging hippies" for the most part are up here in SF, and our pollution just blows inland. The LA basin and the Central Valley get really terrible smog. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:37:48 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... Heh heh, I dunno.... Loved the way the guy tried to justify his outrageous price.... Oh yes if you buy my car for $13k you wont have any problems and it will be cheaper than a car you can buy for 5k. But you could buy a couple engines and transmissions for $5000. I dont care how "bad" your car is there is no way that a $13k car is going to be cheaper than a $5k car. As well did he take into account the fact if someone runs into you the insurance company is not going to care how "rare" your car is. They pay book. Thats it unless your car is highly collectable. The insurance companies are barely beginning to recognize SL's as collectable. A diesel wagon is going to be a bit of a stretch :). Hey maybee I should ask $27k for my 82 300SD. Because as you know I am the second owner of my car and it does have rare european lamps and wipers that you dont find on any other 82 SD's Robert. Jerome Kaidor wrote: >Robert Chase wrote: > > >>Price looked a bit steep to me also "reserve not met yet" could mean >>this is a car someone wants 5k for. >> >> > >*** Yeah, that's a little steep. Also, there wasn't much info on the car. >The TD's OTOH, _ARE_ getting a bit rare. There's a low mileage one locally >that the guy is asking $13K for! > >http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/pen/car/10609058.html > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:40:49 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:29:06PM -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > Do these emissions natzi's actually have some data that shows their > stupidity works or is this just some lame theroy. For some reason, MTBE comes to mind. Thank you, environazis. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:48:01 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: on eBay -- 300TD for sale, Virginia... YEP! Its a nice car. I looked at the photos. But not worth 12k. The engine compartment looks dirty the clock does not work and there is a tiny flaw in the paint. As well the color is not highly desireable. Some people see the three pointed star and go crazy :). Some of the SL crowd is just as guilty. Personally I dont think the SL's are worth what some of these people are able to get for them. They were extremely common and have nothing terribly special about their engineering. I eventually want one but I wont pay some of the outrageous prices some of these people ask :). Robert Paul Schwartz wrote: >>*** Yeah, that's a little steep. Also, there wasn't much info on the car. >>The TD's OTOH, _ARE_ getting a bit rare. There's a low mileage one >> >> >locally > > >>that the guy is asking $13K for! >> >> > >And that car will not be sold at that price. Locally I've seen some nice >TD's for under 4K. > >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:52:34 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Blue fuel filter? Hmmm, Perhaps they should think about limiting driving or something of that nature. Limiting consumer choices for an entire country for the air quality in a small area is not right. Then again it might be a different way of thinking that I just don't understand. You know like the way ebay (a california company) feels as though they should police what is sold using their services rather than letting the law enforcement of other areas police it. Or the way that certain people feel about internet porn. Make everyone suffer so that I can let my child use the internet unsupervised :) Ok ok...... Back in my cage I go :) Robert.... Jerome Kaidor wrote: >Robert Chase wrote: > > >>Its a shame that the car companies just dont stand up to California and >>make it so that the Californians can't get new cars. If some car >>companies just said "screw you guys" and stopped selling certain models >>in California the consumer pressure would be so great that eventually >>the tree hugging hippies that control things over there >> >> > >*** I think the major pressure for emission control came from the L.A. >area. The "tree hugging hippies" for the most part are up here in SF, >and our pollution just blows inland. > > The LA basin and the Central Valley get really terrible smog. > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #983 *********************************