From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #987 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, April 25 2003 Volume 01 : Number 987 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments Re: Volvo Post traumatic stress disorder :) Re: Volvo Post traumatic stress disorder :) Headlight control relay Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments Re: Headlight control relay Re: While I'm at it, an OT request for help. Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments RE: sunroof repaired! RE: Headlight control relay RE: sunroof repaired! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:51:07 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments I don't miss my 300SD... it was ok, but it was a boat... the 123 series felt better... I still haven't lost my interest in getting a 300CD... but this 201 series isn't too bad either... need to give a 2.5L TD a spin if I ever find one... of course with no job I think I'll be sticking with what I have... had a telecon interview for a position paying about 30k less then what I was making... the 190D is going to be my friend for certain... ;) john At 03:38 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Wow, > >My 300SD rarely goes over 2000rpm on even the biggest hill. >Although I do envy your fuel economy and the ability to pull into just >about any parking space :). > >R. > > > >john wrote: > >>be interested in this propane idea... :) >> >>my 2.2L is acceptable, yeah, it's floored most of the >>time getting up hills, but it keeps up with seattle area traffic >>ok... ;) >> >>john >> >>At 09:11 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, gary wrote: >> >>>Turbo? >>> >>>Unfortunately no :( Those are very hard to find. >>> >>>Granted, I now live as a "flatlander", but I find my car pulls it's own >>>on the roads quite well. It will be even better once I get a propane >>>system hooked up! >>> >>>-Gary >>> >>> >>>On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 00:23, john wrote: >>> > At 11:15 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, gary wrote: >>> > >I want to upgrade to something bigger/faster/better from my '86 190D 2.5 >>> > >>> > hey, I'd like to try out the 2.5L over the 2.2L 190D, is yours a >>> > turbo? too bad you're way down there in Orlando... :( >>> > >>> > john (on the other side of the continent, opposite corner... ;( >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>> > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >>> > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:56:19 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Volvo Post traumatic stress disorder :) At 03:51 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >I bet a lot of the protesters out there thought twice about their >activities when they recieved their power bills :). not likely... they probably blamed the republicans, the nra, diesel owners and people from oregon and washington for their troubles... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:22:36 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Volvo Post traumatic stress disorder :) > At 03:51 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >I bet a lot of the protesters out there thought twice about their > >activities when they recieved their power bills :). > > > not likely... they probably blamed the republicans, the nra, diesel > owners and people from oregon and washington for their troubles... ;) > Well, the legislation that allowed the power companies to screw us passed the California State legislature without one dissenting vote. A truly bi-partisan scam. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:32:08 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: Headlight control relay This is not exactly Diesel related, but it is w126 related. The car is a 1990 560SEL, and I am looking for the "headlight control relay". I put that in quotes because I'm not 100% that it is actually called that, but what I need is the relay that all the light circuits go through and it also sends the signal to the bulb out indicator on the dash. The price I was quoted was $240, so I was hoping somebody might be parting out a 126 with that relay in it. Thanks, JC Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments Robert Chase wrote: > > Although I do envy your fuel economy and the ability to pull into just > about any parking space :). > *** Well, I can't boast much about fuel economy, but my 300D has the tightest turning circle of a car of that size that I've ever seen. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:49:51 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Headlight control relay Hmmm, Its under the hood im pretty sure and just a simple relay. I have never messed around with mine but I would think you could probably open it and try cleaning it to get some more life out of it. Robert. JC Jones wrote: >This is not exactly Diesel related, but it is w126 related. > >The car is a 1990 560SEL, and I am looking for the "headlight control >relay". I put that in quotes because I'm not 100% that it is actually >called that, but what I need is the relay that all the light circuits go >through and it also sends the signal to the bulb out indicator on the dash. >The price I was quoted was $240, so I was hoping somebody might be parting >out a 126 with that relay in it. > >Thanks, >JC Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:56:55 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: While I'm at it, an OT request for help. thanx Curtis, will pass this along, not sure if you're message got to the guys on the diesel-benz list.... (btw, will be heading down to Portland tomorrow AM, returning Sat, will drop by for a brief howdy... working on a lesson plan right now so I can "take the day off"... ) john At 01:33 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, Curtis wrote: Hi Guy's, Here is my current list of used truck parts suppliers. The ones with asterisk I use regularly. I hope it helps. Curtis * FOUCH EQUIPMENT, INC. 800-542-6891 / 360-423-2870 Longview, WA * KC TRUCK PARTS. INC. 360-736-3344 Chehalis, WA www.kctruckparts.com KC has locations in Chehalis and Spokane, WA and Billings MT. Check their website. * ANDERSON BRO'S 800-800-8682 Eugene, OR * WASHINGTON TRUCK WRECKERS 360-427-7007 Shelton, WA FRANK MILLER TRUCK WRECKING 503-283-1797 Portland, OR OPPERMAN AND SON, INC. 800-443-8476/707-433-4421 Healdsburg, CA www.optruk.com LUND TRUCK PARTS 800-456-8861 Tea, SD LUCKENS TRUCKS & PARTS, INC. 800-874-4107 Winger, MN www.luckentrucks.com ERICKSON TRUCKS & PARTS 800-825-7997 MN & WI www.ericksontrucks.com SPALDING INC., TRUCK DIVISION 800-366-2070 ext 3 Spokane, WA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Jim Steere" ; Cc: "Jeepbuilder-attbi.com" Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: Re: While I'm at it, an OT request for help. > I'm cc'ing a truck driver friend, or two (diesel dan?)... > was also wondering if you knew where I could find a cab jack > setup affordably for a cab over as well... > > john > > > At 07:44 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, Jim Steere wrote: > > >From the conversations I've seen here....there are some individuals on this > >list that have no fear of haunting salvage yards.....because they're > >"scroungers" like me unafraid of "road-tested" parts. > > > >I've got this enormous & very ugly Isuzu/GMC medium-duty truck (one of those > >"cab-forward" ones with the aerodynamics of a brick or old VW van) with a > >roll-back deck on it that is a necessary evil when you do what I do. > >Typical "Rust Belt" body. I've got all the panels (new...moan....) to put > >the cab in shape except for a set of doors. > > > >The dealer wants $795 each for bare door shells. Does anyone out there know > >of a "truck" salvage in a friendlier climate that I can check with for a set > >of rust-free doors for this pig? I know I'll have to pay common-carrier > >freight....but they're gotta' be some used ones out there. These truck are > >really common in metro areas because of the maneuverability.....but up here > >I can' fine anything any better than I've got.... I've checked all over the > >'net to no avail. > > > >Even if I paid a grand to buy and ship a pair....it would still leave $590 > >to buy Budweiser according to my little brain. > > > >Thanks for any input. > > > >Jim Steere > >Everything Automotive > >Crystal, MI > >www.usedbenzparts.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:00:43 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments most european cars have excellent turning radius... if you've ever lived or driven there you'd understand why. :) john At 01:45 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >Robert Chase wrote: > > > > Although I do envy your fuel economy and the ability to pull into just > > about any parking space :). > > >*** Well, I can't boast much about fuel economy, but my 300D has the >tightest turning circle of a car of that size that I've ever seen. > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:20:23 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments when one thinks of europe one does not usually think of england... ;) john At 02:13 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >john wrote: > > > > most european cars have excellent turning radius... if > > you've ever lived or driven there you'd understand why. :) > > >*** Well, they must have some wide boulevards in England - my >wife's XJ6 turns like a Cadillac. > > - Jerry > > > > > john > > > > At 01:45 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > >Robert Chase wrote: > > > > > > > > Although I do envy your fuel economy and the ability to pull into just > > > > about any parking space :). > > > > > > >*** Well, I can't boast much about fuel economy, but my 300D has the > > >tightest turning circle of a car of that size that I've ever seen. > > > > > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2003 22:58:31 -0400 From: gary Subject: Re: late 80s/early 90s diesel comments I wouldn't necessarily knock 300kmi. Who knows what maintenance was performed in the past. You already mentioned headwork. Perhaps a ring and bearing job was done at some point. - -Gary On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 14:42, Kevin Pekarek wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 11:15:11PM -0400, gary wrote: > > I too am in the market for a 87-94 300D w124. > > > > I want to upgrade to something bigger/faster/better from my '86 190D 2.5 > > Well, in this case, it would be smaller/slower than the current daily driver, > better is somewhat of a push - it certainly would get FAR better mileage, but > the retired patrol car has treated me quite well thus far. Plus, I never get > cut off when I am driving it, which is quite a feat in the bay area :) > > > I haven't heard of any gotcha's for this body/engine. The aluminum head > > thing is a non-issue as long as you keep the cooling system in good > > repair. > > Yeah, and this one apparently had head work done recently. I'm not too sure > if I should be worried about that - after all it has a TON of miles (around > 300k), but who knows. Needless to say, I'll take a close look at his records > if I get real serious about it. > > > But I have heard to stand well away from the 3.5 603 engine. > > hehehe. I've heard that too. > > Thanks... > > K ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:37:54 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: sunroof repaired! My sunroof works great currently, but I have been told (by a Mercedes mechanic) "Don't use the sunroof or it won't work for long". It seems to me that if my car has a sunroof I should be able to use it. ;) JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jeremy Bowne Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:30 AM To: 'john'; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: sunroof repaired! Good job :) Pretty soon I'll be doing sunroof repairs. Is it expensive to do all this stuff? Or should I just disassemble it all and screw around (with a hammer of course) until it works ;) Jeremy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:47 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: sunroof repaired! Finally got the sunroof working... ordered the bridge and the cable... the parts guy was thinking that the bridge was bent and as an afterthought ordered the cable and clip... turns out the cable was bent just behind the bridge. Pulled the cable out, feed the new one in... reading the instructions from the manual I thought I'd have to pull the motor off, started to do that and noticed that the sleeve had moved a bit, moved it over and fed the cable right in. :) Was harder getting the sunroof cover back on then getting the cable in. :) Now, if I can just figure out why the a/c compressor doesn't kick in any more, sure it's a misconnection somewhere, then I'll just about have this thing set up. :) john - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:45:46 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: Headlight control relay Unfortunately, I did take it apart and discovered that it's an extremely complicated solid state device - no contacts to clean :( I was thinking the same thing about just cleaning/repairing it - it has about 30+ pins, it's about 5" long and has 2 circuit boards inside, and 3 different plugs - 2 to the harness and one hard mounted in the fuse box. Here's the strange part about the whole thing, while I was wiggling it around just to see if it was a contact issue, the front electric fans started turning on and off, then finally just completely quit. I think I'm going to pull the fuse box and see if there is any wiring harness damage under it. JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Robert Chase Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 2:50 PM To: jcjones-at-ifsja.org Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Headlight control relay Hmmm, Its under the hood im pretty sure and just a simple relay. I have never messed around with mine but I would think you could probably open it and try cleaning it to get some more life out of it. Robert. JC Jones wrote: >This is not exactly Diesel related, but it is w126 related. > >The car is a 1990 560SEL, and I am looking for the "headlight control >relay". I put that in quotes because I'm not 100% that it is actually >called that, but what I need is the relay that all the light circuits >go through and it also sends the signal to the bulb out indicator on >the dash. The price I was quoted was $240, so I was hoping somebody >might be parting out a 126 with that relay in it. > >Thanks, >JC Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:47:49 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: sunroof repaired! the trick to ANYTHING on a Mercedes (or for that matter a Full Size Jeep) is TO USE IT, USE IT OFTEN, USE IT CAREFULLY and keep it clean and lubed. Anytime I've had trouble with something is when I don't use it. :) john At 10:37 PM 4/24/2003 -0600, JC Jones wrote: >My sunroof works great currently, but I have been told (by a Mercedes >mechanic) "Don't use the sunroof or it won't work for long". It seems to me >that if my car has a sunroof I should be able to use it. ;) > >JC Jones :) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On >Behalf Of Jeremy Bowne >Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:30 AM >To: 'john'; diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: RE: sunroof repaired! > > >Good job :) >Pretty soon I'll be doing sunroof repairs. >Is it expensive to do all this stuff? Or should I just disassemble it all >and screw around (with a hammer of course) until it works ;) > >Jeremy > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >On Behalf Of john >Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:47 PM >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: sunroof repaired! > >Finally got the sunroof working... ordered the bridge and the cable... the >parts guy was thinking that the bridge was bent and as an afterthought >ordered the cable and clip... turns out the cable was bent just behind the >bridge. Pulled the cable out, feed the new one in... reading the >instructions from the manual I thought I'd have to pull the motor off, >started to do that and noticed that the sleeve had moved a bit, moved it >over and fed the cable right in. :) > >Was harder getting the sunroof cover back on then getting >the cable in. :) > >Now, if I can just figure out why the a/c compressor doesn't kick in any >more, sure it's a misconnection somewhere, then I'll just about have this >thing set up. :) > >john >----------------------------- > Oh well, > I'm a man, > but I can change, > if I have to, > I guess > -Red Green >------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #987 *********************************