From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #995 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 29 2003 Volume 01 : Number 995 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:20:15 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Yep Biodiesel, Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. There are two ways that I understand its done. The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie oil biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel and regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best bet for masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... Robert Jim Hoffman wrote: >Folks, > > Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their >own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but >I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank >forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel >and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was >talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank >and went. > > The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in >my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car >isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) > >Thanks! > >Jim/ > >'83 240D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:43:56 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty quick... ;) john At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Yep Biodiesel, > >Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. >There are two ways that I understand its done. > >The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie oil >biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel and >regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best bet for >masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... > >Robert > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > >>Folks, >> >> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their >>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but >>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank >>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel >>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was >>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank >>and went. >> >> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in >>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car >>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) >> >>Thanks! >> >>Jim/ >> >>'83 240D - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:14:24 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago talked about a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt with also? What was that? Jim/ > I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my > VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat > frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty > quick... ;) > > john > > At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >Yep Biodiesel, > > > >Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. > >There are two ways that I understand its done. > > > >The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie oil > >biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel and > >regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best bet for > >masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... > > > >Robert > > > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > >>Folks, > >> > >> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their > >>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but > >>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank > >>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel > >>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was > >>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank > >>and went. > >> > >> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in > >>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car > >>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) > >> > >>Thanks! > >> > >>Jim/ > >> > >>'83 240D > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:16:24 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Glycernin? R. Jim Hoffman wrote: >The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago talked about >a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt with also? What >was that? > >Jim/ > > > >>I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my >>VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat >>frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty >>quick... ;) >> >>john >> >>At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >> >> >>>Yep Biodiesel, >>> >>>Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. >>>There are two ways that I understand its done. >>> >>>The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie >>> >>> >oil > > >>>biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel >>> >>> >and > > >>>regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best >>> >>> >bet for > > >>>masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... >>> >>>Robert >>> >>>Jim Hoffman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Folks, >>>> >>>> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their >>>>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but >>>>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank >>>>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel >>>>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was >>>>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank >>>>and went. >>>> >>>> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in >>>>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car >>>>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) >>>> >>>>Thanks! >>>> >>>>Jim/ >>>> >>>>'83 240D >>>> >>>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:21:43 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Glycerine. I'm going to deal with it by packaging it and selling it as vegetable oil soap (which it is). Anyway, I'm in the process of assembling my biodiesel reactor. A friend is coming over next weekend with a MIG welder to start fabricating some parts I need. I'll post some pictures of the setup thus far (along with the pics of the 600 gallons of oil I've managed to collect thus far from local restaurants and bars). - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:14 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago talked about a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt with also? What was that? Jim/ > I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my > VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat > frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty > quick... ;) > > john > > At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >Yep Biodiesel, > > > >Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. > >There are two ways that I understand its done. > > > >The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie oil > >biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel and > >regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best bet for > >masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... > > > >Robert > > > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > >>Folks, > >> > >> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their > >>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but > >>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank > >>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel > >>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was > >>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank > >>and went. > >> > >> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in > >>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car > >>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) > >> > >>Thanks! > >> > >>Jim/ > >> > >>'83 240D > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:37:12 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel That has got to be cooler than even my friends that brew their own beer. ;-) Alec > Glycerine. I'm going to deal with it by packaging it and selling it as > vegetable oil soap (which it is). > > Anyway, I'm in the process of assembling my biodiesel reactor. A friend is > coming over next weekend with a MIG welder to start fabricating some parts I > need. I'll post some pictures of the setup thus far (along with the pics of > the 600 gallons of oil I've managed to collect thus far from local restaurants > and bars). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Jim Hoffman wrote: > > Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their > own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but > I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank > forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel > and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was > talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank > and went. > *** www.greasecar.com - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:41:04 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel cool, I'll be paying attention to this... looking forward to your write up. john At 03:21 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: >Glycerine. I'm going to deal with it by packaging it and selling it as >vegetable oil soap (which it is). > >Anyway, I'm in the process of assembling my biodiesel reactor. A friend is >coming over next weekend with a MIG welder to start fabricating some parts I >need. I'll post some pictures of the setup thus far (along with the pics of >the 600 gallons of oil I've managed to collect thus far from local restaurants >and bars). > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:14 PM >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel > > >The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago talked about >a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt with also? What >was that? > >Jim/ > > > I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my > > VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat > > frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty > > quick... ;) > > > > john > > > > At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > > >Yep Biodiesel, > > > > > >Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. > > >There are two ways that I understand its done. > > > > > >The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie >oil > > >biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel >and > > >regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best >bet for > > >masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... > > > > > >Robert > > > > > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > > >>Folks, > > >> > > >> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their > > >>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but > > >>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank > > >>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel > > >>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was > > >>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank > > >>and went. > > >> > > >> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in > > >>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car > > >>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) > > >> > > >>Thanks! > > >> > > >>Jim/ > > >> > > >>'83 240D > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >-- >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'39 Allis Model B >'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:47:09 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Most of my friends think I'm nuts. Of course, they all run gassers, so the allure of brewing your own diesel escapes them. Admittedly, sometimes the allure escapes me, too, especially when I'm lurking around the backs of bars and restaurants picking up buckets of old oil. :B - -----Original Message----- From: acordova-at-texas.net [mailto:acordova-at-texas.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:37 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel That has got to be cooler than even my friends that brew their own beer. ;-) Alec > Glycerine. I'm going to deal with it by packaging it and selling it as > vegetable oil soap (which it is). > > Anyway, I'm in the process of assembling my biodiesel reactor. A friend is > coming over next weekend with a MIG welder to start fabricating some parts I > need. I'll post some pictures of the setup thus far (along with the pics of > the 600 gallons of oil I've managed to collect thus far from local restaurants > and bars). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:19:32 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Jim, Check out http://www.greasel.com/. Lots of good info. and Robert, Some like the Fish & Chips smell better than eau de petroleum. Easiest is to filter used cooking oil (filters available on the greasel site) and pour in your tank, to mix with petro diesel. If you live in a cold climate or plan to switch to mostly (or all) recycled cooking oil, you should use the two tank, switched system with a heater for the cooking oil. Occasional use of filtered waste oil hasn't clogged my filters or injectors. My car now produces a whole range or odors (none worse than standard diesel smells, in my opinion) but I can feel no change in performance. Mileage might change a tiny bit but since waste oil doesn't come out of a pump calibrated in hundredths of a gallon, it's not noticeable. My car is an old MB 300D and have had no problems with any seals or hoses. That might not be the case with materials used in other cars. Have fun, Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Robert Chase Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:16 PM To: jslash-at-execpc.com Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Glycernin? R. Jim Hoffman wrote: >The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago talked about >a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt with also? What >was that? > >Jim/ > > > >>I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my >>VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat >>frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty >>quick... ;) >> >>john >> >>At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >> >> >>>Yep Biodiesel, >>> >>>Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. >>>There are two ways that I understand its done. >>> >>>The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie >>> >>> >oil > > >>>biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel >>> >>> >and > > >>>regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best >>> >>> >bet for > > >>>masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... >>> >>>Robert >>> >>>Jim Hoffman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Folks, >>>> >>>> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their >>>>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but >>>>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank >>>>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel >>>>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was >>>>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank >>>>and went. >>>> >>>> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in >>>>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car >>>>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) >>>> >>>>Thanks! >>>> >>>>Jim/ >>>> >>>>'83 240D ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #995 *********************************