From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #996 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 29 2003 Volume 01 : Number 996 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:23:57 -0400 From: "Jim Steere" Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel > That has got to be cooler than even my friends that brew their own beer. ;-) > > Alec Just don't screw up and get the homemade beer mixed up with the homemade diesel fuel......if it's anything like grabbing a Budweiser can that you *thought* contained beer that actually contained lacquer thinner (trust me, this is the voice of experience) it's not an activity that I would advise or recommend.... Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:31:25 -0700 From: REisenhardt-at-AlienTechnology.com Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel As will I. Always wanted to try biodiesel or veggie oil. Have actually passed a VW Rabbit with a license plate that read "Veggie Oil" up near San Francisco (of course). Randy '87 300 SDL 294k (and still running great) - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:41 PM To: Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel cool, I'll be paying attention to this... looking forward to your write up. john At 03:21 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: >Glycerine. I'm going to deal with it by packaging it and selling it as >vegetable oil soap (which it is). > >Anyway, I'm in the process of assembling my biodiesel reactor. A friend is >coming over next weekend with a MIG welder to start fabricating some parts I >need. I'll post some pictures of the setup thus far (along with the pics of >the 600 gallons of oil I've managed to collect thus far from local restaurants >and bars). > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:14 PM >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel > > >The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago talked about >a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt with also? What >was that? > >Jim/ > > > I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my > > VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat > > frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty > > quick... ;) > > > > john > > > > At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > > >Yep Biodiesel, > > > > > >Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. > > >There are two ways that I understand its done. > > > > > >The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie >oil > > >biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel >and > > >regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best >bet for > > >masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... > > > > > >Robert > > > > > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > > >>Folks, > > >> > > >> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their > > >>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but > > >>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank > > >>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel > > >>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was > > >>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank > > >>and went. > > >> > > >> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in > > >>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car > > >>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) > > >> > > >>Thanks! > > >> > > >>Jim/ > > >> > > >>'83 240D > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >-- >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'39 Allis Model B >'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:35:40 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel I'll try to post some pics on my web site this weekend. - -----Original Message----- From: REisenhardt-at-AlienTechnology.com [mailto:REisenhardt-at-AlienTechnology.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:31 PM To: john-at-wagoneers.com; Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel As will I. Always wanted to try biodiesel or veggie oil. Have actually passed a VW Rabbit with a license plate that read "Veggie Oil" up near San Francisco (of course). Randy '87 300 SDL 294k (and still running great) - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:41 PM To: Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel cool, I'll be paying attention to this... looking forward to your write up. john At 03:21 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: >Glycerine. I'm going to deal with it by packaging it and selling it as >vegetable oil soap (which it is). > >Anyway, I'm in the process of assembling my biodiesel reactor. A friend is >coming over next weekend with a MIG welder to start fabricating some parts I >need. I'll post some pictures of the setup thus far (along with the pics of >the 600 gallons of oil I've managed to collect thus far from local restaurants >and bars). > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:14 PM >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel > > >The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago talked about >a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt with also? What >was that? > >Jim/ > > > I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out of my > > VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil from the deepfat > > frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel filter pretty > > quick... ;) > > > > john > > > > At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > > >Yep Biodiesel, > > > > > >Check out biodiesel.org for some more information. > > >There are two ways that I understand its done. > > > > > >The heated tank or the addition of the additives that make the veggie >oil > > >biodiesel. The site also talks about different mixtures of biodiesel >and > > >regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures might be the best >bet for > > >masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel running vehicle.... > > > > > >Robert > > > > > >Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > > >>Folks, > > >> > > >> Someone had talked about putting a system together to make their > > >>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't remember who it was but > > >>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The article that Mike Frank > > >>forwarded to the list talked about a heated tank, starting on diesel > > >>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I thought someone else was > > >>talking about filtering/processing so you just dumped it in the tank > > >>and went. > > >> > > >> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on getting the hole in > > >>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain trying this. The car > > >>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) > > >> > > >>Thanks! > > >> > > >>Jim/ > > >> > > >>'83 240D > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >-- >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'39 Allis Model B >'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:29:06 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel I love this topic. The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers it all. - - Biodiesel - - Straight veggie oil conversion It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. The book is in very high demand apparently. It is currently out of stock on Amazon. Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com . It is a fascinating topic to ponder. If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by now. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:40:31 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Derick, I've got friends in the "food industry"... How much do you want? :) I haven't asked them yet, but we'll see... The other option is to use used motor oil. Anyone ever done that? I have and it works fine too, but again, my filter clogged with these experiments... Need to come up with a way of making sure it won't clog filters or injectors... :) john At 02:29 PM 4/29/2003 -0700, Derickam AA wrote: >I love this topic. > >The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using >Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers it all. > >- Biodiesel >- Straight veggie oil conversion > >It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. > >The book is in very high demand apparently. >It is currently out of stock on Amazon. >Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. > >There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com . > >It is a fascinating topic to ponder. > >If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by now. > > >Derick Amburgey >Automated Control Specialist >Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:43:14 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel I have considered it too however there are several questions I have yet to answer. Engine Longevity/Maint issues that might arrise How to get rid of the smell? How to store the fuel. How to pump fuel. How to obtain oil easily. Robert. Derickam AA wrote: > I love this topic. > > The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to > Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers > it all. > > - Biodiesel > - Straight veggie oil conversion > > It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. > > The book is in very high demand apparently. > It is currently out of stock on Amazon. > Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. > > There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com . > > It is a fascinating topic to ponder. > > If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by now. > > > Derick Amburgey > Automated Control Specialist > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:45:55 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Hmmmm, Now thats appealing to me..... One wonders what oil change places do with their used motor oil. They probably have to pay to have it removed. One could save them some money in converting it to useful fuel. If filtered I wonder if it could be used reliably for fuel? Robert. john wrote: > Derick, > > I've got friends in the "food industry"... How much do you want? :) > I haven't asked them yet, but we'll see... > > The other option is to use used motor oil. Anyone ever done that? > I have and it works fine too, but again, my filter clogged with > these experiments... Need to come up with a way of making sure it > won't clog filters or injectors... :) > > john > > At 02:29 PM 4/29/2003 -0700, Derickam AA wrote: > >> I love this topic. >> >> The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to >> Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers >> it all. >> >> - Biodiesel >> - Straight veggie oil conversion >> >> It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. >> >> The book is in very high demand apparently. >> It is currently out of stock on Amazon. >> Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. >> >> There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com . >> >> It is a fascinating topic to ponder. >> >> If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by now. >> >> >> Derick Amburgey >> Automated Control Specialist >> Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >> Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >> List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >> 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:49:10 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel I think that motor oil has more "cetane" value then Diesel, it's thicker... contaminants are the issue though... acids, etc... I got myself off of the hewitt avenue trestle with a half a quart of motor oil when I ran out heading for diesel... :) john At 05:45 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Hmmmm, > >Now thats appealing to me..... > >One wonders what oil change places do with their used motor oil. They >probably have to pay to have it removed. One could save them some money >in converting it to useful fuel. If filtered I wonder if it could be >used reliably for fuel? > >Robert. > > > >john wrote: > >>Derick, >> >>I've got friends in the "food industry"... How much do you want? :) >>I haven't asked them yet, but we'll see... >> >>The other option is to use used motor oil. Anyone ever done that? >>I have and it works fine too, but again, my filter clogged with >>these experiments... Need to come up with a way of making sure it >>won't clog filters or injectors... :) >> >>john >> >>At 02:29 PM 4/29/2003 -0700, Derickam AA wrote: >> >>>I love this topic. >>> >>>The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to >>>Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers it all. >>> >>>- Biodiesel >>>- Straight veggie oil conversion >>> >>>It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. >>> >>>The book is in very high demand apparently. >>>It is currently out of stock on Amazon. >>>Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. >>> >>>There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com . >>> >>>It is a fascinating topic to ponder. >>> >>>If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by now. >>> >>> >>>Derick Amburgey >>>Automated Control Specialist >>>Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >>>Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >>>List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >>>1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >>>1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >>>1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >>>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:50:51 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel I used to regularly dump my used motor oil into a full tank of Diesel fuel. Had the advantage that the fuel comes out black, no matter what color dye happens to be in it ;-0. But the waste oil from the Diesel contains way too much solid matter....filters clog pretty quickly. The cost of filters was about what I saved on fuel.... No long term damage that I could tell, no bad smells or smoke. If anything, the car idled more smoothly. Has anyone found a centrifugal filter that would work with a Benz Diesel? Mike Frank At 05:40 PM 4/29/03, john >The other option is to use used motor oil. Anyone ever done that? >I have and it works fine too, but again, my filter clogged with >these experiments... ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #996 *********************************