From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #998 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, April 30 2003 Volume 01 : Number 998 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Why Fuses Are Good Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Re: Why Fuses Are Good Re: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Apr 2003 20:50:31 -0400 From: gary Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Check this out... http://www.dieselproducts.com/spinner/spinner.html I almost considered this before I sold my Quantum TD. - -Gary in Orlando On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 17:50, Michael Frank wrote: > I used to regularly dump my used motor oil into a full tank of Diesel fuel. > Had the advantage that the fuel comes out black, no matter what color dye > happens to be in it ;-0. But the waste oil from the Diesel contains way too > much solid matter....filters clog pretty quickly. The cost of filters was > about what I saved on fuel.... No long term damage that I could tell, no > bad smells or smoke. If anything, the car idled more smoothly. > > Has anyone found a centrifugal filter that would work with a Benz Diesel? > > Mike Frank > > At 05:40 PM 4/29/03, john > >The other option is to use used motor oil. Anyone ever done that? > >I have and it works fine too, but again, my filter clogged with > >these experiments... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:06:11 +1000 From: Guy Carpenter Subject: Why Fuses Are Good Sorry, no MB content... This morning as I was getting ready to drive my daughter to school I heard cries of "Help" from next door, and saw a car in their driveway billowing smoke from under the hood. Seems my neighbor was cleaning a car (not hers, maybe her sons?) and she shorted together two lug terminals behind the rear seat that had been connected to an amp. Both the earth and hot wires were quite thick, and ran all the way from the back of the car to the engine compartment. The hot wire was connected directly to the battery, unfused. When they shorted, they both became red hot, and melted everything they touched. It looks like someone has been in the engine bay with a cartoon laser gun - there are little melted gashes through cable housings, insulation, plastic grommets, other wires, etc. Lots of damage, but probably repairable. No fuse? Bugger. - -Guy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel if we mix some of the used veggie oil in with our regular fuel, could we avoid this bio-diesel hazardous waste stuff? Say 5 gallons every fill up or so? Free 5 gallons might make this worth the while, only issue is filtering... ideas? john On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->The book Derick mentions below covers all of these issues. The short >-->answers: >--> >-->* with biodiesel, no real maint. issues. With straight veggie oil, >-->coking of the injectors may be an issue depending on the system you >-->use. If you start the engine on dino-diesel, then switch to bio- >-->diesel, then cool off on dino-diesel, coking is less of a factor >--> >-->* I assume you're refering to the smell of rancid veggie oil. The >-->process of making biodiesel remove the free fatty acids that are >-->responsible for oil turning rancid. No FFAs, no smell. >--> >-->* Stores the same as dino-diesel. In cold climates (that's freezing >-->and below for you warm-landers on the Pacific Coast ;->), you may >-->need to add an anti-gelling agent, available from just about any >-->truckstop or home heating oil vendor. >--> >-->* Pumping is the same. >--> >-->* Ahh, easy oil. As I gaze out onto my new collection of used oil >-->containers, I know this is a question I can answer. Go to every bar >-->and resturant around you and ask if they have used fryer oil. After >-->they look at you like you're nutz, explain that you'll haul it away >-->for free. See, they have to pay to have a waste disposal company take >-->it, or else find, errr, creative ways to "dispose" of it. One local >-->bar owner almost hugged me when I offered to take his oil - it seems >-->that he had been storing it in the basement for several years and was >-->(almost) literally drowning in the stuff. I happily took 300 gallons >-->off his hands and he happily helped me load it onto my trailer. >--> >-->Have fun! >--> >-->Mike Aimino >--> >-->On 29 Apr 03, at 17:43, Robert Chase wrote: >--> >-->> I have considered it too however there are several questions I have >-->> yet to answer. >-->> >-->> Engine Longevity/Maint issues that might arrise >-->> How to get rid of the smell? >-->> How to store the fuel. >-->> How to pump fuel. >-->> How to obtain oil easily. >-->> >-->> Robert. >-->> >-->> >-->> Derickam AA wrote: >-->> >-->> > I love this topic. >-->> > >-->> > The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to >-->> > Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers >-->> > it all. >-->> > >-->> > - Biodiesel >-->> > - Straight veggie oil conversion >-->> > >-->> > It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. >-->> > >-->> > The book is in very high demand apparently. >-->> > It is currently out of stock on Amazon. >-->> > Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. >-->> > >-->> > There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com >-->> > . >-->> > >-->> > It is a fascinating topic to ponder. >-->> > >-->> > If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by >-->> > now. >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > Derick Amburgey >-->> > Automated Control Specialist >-->> > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >-->> > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >-->> > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >-->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >-->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >-->> > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > _________________________________________________________________ >-->> > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >-->> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Why Fuses Are Good This must be a Florida thing... stopped at a gas station on I-95 up by Daytona Beach and the kid attendant did the same thing with some lights on his roof, melted the battery across the top... luckily he used the wrong size wire... :) I like using those thermal circuit breakers for connections close to the battery... prevents fires and saves me the trouble of replacing fuses. ;) john On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Guy Carpenter wrote: >-->Sorry, no MB content... >--> >-->This morning as I was getting ready to drive my >-->daughter to school I heard cries of "Help" from next >-->door, and saw a car in their driveway billowing smoke >-->from under the hood. snip >--> >-->No fuse? Bugger. >--> >-->-Guy. >--> >--> >-->rom owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net Tue Apr 29 18:05:46 2003 >-->Return-Path: >-->Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (IDENT:exim-at-krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) >--> by cafe.virtual-cafe.com (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04340 >--> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:05:45 -0700 >-->Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 4.14) >--> id 19Ag3y-0004WI-Kb >--> for diesel-benz-out-at-digest.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:07:10 +0000 >-->Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:05:21 -0700 (PDT) >-->From: john >-->X-Sender: john-at-cafe.virtual-cafe.com >-->To: Michael Aimino >-->cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel >-->In-Reply-To: <20030429223329.CCXN20233.mta01-srv.alltel.net-at-aimino-home> >-->Message-ID: >-->MIME-Version: 1.0 >-->Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >-->Sender: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Precedence: bulk >--> >-->if we mix some of the used veggie oil in with our regular >-->fuel, could we avoid this bio-diesel hazardous waste stuff? >--> >-->Say 5 gallons every fill up or so? Free 5 gallons might make >-->this worth the while, only issue is filtering... >--> >-->ideas? >--> >-->john >--> >--> >-->On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >--> >-->>-->The book Derick mentions below covers all of these issues. The short >-->>-->answers: >-->>--> >-->>-->* with biodiesel, no real maint. issues. With straight veggie oil, >-->>-->coking of the injectors may be an issue depending on the system you >-->>-->use. If you start the engine on dino-diesel, then switch to bio- >-->>-->diesel, then cool off on dino-diesel, coking is less of a factor >-->>--> >-->>-->* I assume you're refering to the smell of rancid veggie oil. The >-->>-->process of making biodiesel remove the free fatty acids that are >-->>-->responsible for oil turning rancid. No FFAs, no smell. >-->>--> >-->>-->* Stores the same as dino-diesel. In cold climates (that's freezing >-->>-->and below for you warm-landers on the Pacific Coast ;->), you may >-->>-->need to add an anti-gelling agent, available from just about any >-->>-->truckstop or home heating oil vendor. >-->>--> >-->>-->* Pumping is the same. >-->>--> >-->>-->* Ahh, easy oil. As I gaze out onto my new collection of used oil >-->>-->containers, I know this is a question I can answer. Go to every bar >-->>-->and resturant around you and ask if they have used fryer oil. After >-->>-->they look at you like you're nutz, explain that you'll haul it away >-->>-->for free. See, they have to pay to have a waste disposal company take >-->>-->it, or else find, errr, creative ways to "dispose" of it. One local >-->>-->bar owner almost hugged me when I offered to take his oil - it seems >-->>-->that he had been storing it in the basement for several years and was >-->>-->(almost) literally drowning in the stuff. I happily took 300 gallons >-->>-->off his hands and he happily helped me load it onto my trailer. >-->>--> >-->>-->Have fun! >-->>--> >-->>-->Mike Aimino >-->>--> >-->>-->On 29 Apr 03, at 17:43, Robert Chase wrote: >-->>--> >-->>-->> I have considered it too however there are several questions I have >-->>-->> yet to answer. >-->>-->> >-->>-->> Engine Longevity/Maint issues that might arrise >-->>-->> How to get rid of the smell? >-->>-->> How to store the fuel. >-->>-->> How to pump fuel. >-->>-->> How to obtain oil easily. >-->>-->> >-->>-->> Robert. >-->>-->> >-->>-->> >-->>-->> Derickam AA wrote: >-->>-->> >-->>-->> > I love this topic. >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to >-->>-->> > Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers >-->>-->> > it all. >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > - Biodiesel >-->>-->> > - Straight veggie oil conversion >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > The book is in very high demand apparently. >-->>-->> > It is currently out of stock on Amazon. >-->>-->> > Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com >-->>-->> > . >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > It is a fascinating topic to ponder. >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by >-->>-->> > now. >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > Derick Amburgey >-->>-->> > Automated Control Specialist >-->>-->> > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >-->>-->> > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >-->>-->> > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >-->>-->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >-->>-->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >-->>-->> > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > _________________________________________________________________ >-->>-->> > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >-->>-->> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >--> ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:53:41 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Yes, mixing is an option. However, instead of mixing diesel with veggie oil, you mix kerosene with veggie oil. From the book, "From the Fryer to the Fueltank", page 89: "The mixture ratio of vegetable oil to kerosene is 70-80% vegetable oil to 20-30% kerosene. Jet fuel and diesel #1 can be used in place of kerosene because all three fuels are basically the same." The book goes on the explain that you need two fuel tanks, one for regular diesel to start the car with and one for the oil/kero mixture. It has a diagram showing how it's to be plumbed. If anyone is interested, I can scan the pages and load them as a jpeg to my website. On 29 Apr 03, at 18:05, john wrote: > > if we mix some of the used veggie oil in with our regular > fuel, could we avoid this bio-diesel hazardous waste stuff? > > Say 5 gallons every fill up or so? Free 5 gallons might make > this worth the while, only issue is filtering... > > ideas? > > john > > > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > >-->The book Derick mentions below covers all of these issues. The > >short -->answers: --> -->* with biodiesel, no real maint. issues. > >With straight veggie oil, -->coking of the injectors may be an issue > >depending on the system you -->use. If you start the engine on > >dino-diesel, then switch to bio- -->diesel, then cool off on > >dino-diesel, coking is less of a factor --> -->* I assume you're > >refering to the smell of rancid veggie oil. The -->process of making > >biodiesel remove the free fatty acids that are -->responsible for oil > >turning rancid. No FFAs, no smell. --> -->* Stores the same as > >dino-diesel. In cold climates (that's freezing -->and below for you > >warm-landers on the Pacific Coast ;->), you may -->need to add an > >anti-gelling agent, available from just about any -->truckstop or > >home heating oil vendor. --> -->* Pumping is the same. --> -->* Ahh, > >easy oil. As I gaze out onto my new collection of used oil > >-->containers, I know this is a question I can answer. Go to every > >bar -->and resturant around you and ask if they have used fryer oil. > >After -->they look at you like you're nutz, explain that you'll haul > >it away -->for free. See, they have to pay to have a waste disposal > >company take -->it, or else find, errr, creative ways to "dispose" of > >it. One local -->bar owner almost hugged me when I offered to take > >his oil - it seems -->that he had been storing it in the basement for > >several years and was -->(almost) literally drowning in the stuff. I > >happily took 300 gallons -->off his hands and he happily helped me > >load it onto my trailer. --> -->Have fun! --> -->Mike Aimino --> > >-->On 29 Apr 03, at 17:43, Robert Chase wrote: --> -->> I have > >considered it too however there are several questions I have -->> yet > >to answer. -->> -->> Engine Longevity/Maint issues that might arrise > >-->> How to get rid of the smell? -->> How to store the fuel. -->> > >How to pump fuel. -->> How to obtain oil easily. -->> -->> Robert. > >-->> -->> -->> Derickam AA wrote: -->> -->> > I love this topic. -->> > >> -->> > The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete > >Guide to -->> > Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua > >Tickell covers -->> > it all. -->> > -->> > - Biodiesel -->> > - > >Straight veggie oil conversion -->> > -->> > It even spells out > >installation and parts sources, way cool. -->> > -->> > The book is > >in very high demand apparently. -->> > It is currently out of stock > >on Amazon. -->> > Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. -->> > -->> > >> There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com > >-->> > . -->> > -->> > It is a fascinating topic to ponder. -->> > > >-->> > If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it > >by -->> > now. -->> > -->> > -->> > Derick Amburgey -->> > Automated > >Control Specialist -->> > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite > >Train System -->> > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX -->> > List "Mom" > >of Diesel-Benz reflector -->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 > >Mi -->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi -->> > 1984 > >Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > > >-->> > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >-->> > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* -->> > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:17:07 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel > I used to regularly dump my used motor oil into a full tank of > Diesel fuel. > Had the advantage that the fuel comes out black, no matter what color dye > happens to be in it ;-0. > > Mike Frank > You're a crafty little Boy Scout, aren't you? ;-) Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:18:03 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel > I keep all my old fuel filters in ziploc bags, in an old garbage can. > During the winter, I use them to start the fireplace. Put them in > a pan to > prevent leaks, slide it under the logs. Light a corner, with a > single piece > of paper as a wick. Burns nice and hot for about half an hour. It will > start even the wettest logs. > > Mike Frank > Correction: Crafty and twisted. ;-) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #998 *********************************