From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #999 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, April 30 2003 Volume 01 : Number 999 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel 34.74 mpg! Hmmmmm Re: Hmmmmm elvis special sunset and a 35 mpg 190D Re: elvis special Re: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Used motor oil into Diesel fuel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:51:28 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel scan away... you know you're making me think I should go with a 6.5L TD in SuperDawg... he's already got dual tanks... :) john At 09:53 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Michael Aimino wrote: >Yes, mixing is an option. However, instead of mixing diesel with >veggie oil, you mix kerosene with veggie oil. From the book, "From >the Fryer to the Fueltank", page 89: > >"The mixture ratio of vegetable oil to kerosene is 70-80% vegetable >oil to 20-30% kerosene. Jet fuel and diesel #1 can be used in place >of kerosene because all three fuels are basically the same." > >The book goes on the explain that you need two fuel tanks, one for >regular diesel to start the car with and one for the oil/kero >mixture. It has a diagram showing how it's to be plumbed. If anyone >is interested, I can scan the pages and load them as a jpeg to my >website. > >On 29 Apr 03, at 18:05, john wrote: > > > > > if we mix some of the used veggie oil in with our regular > > fuel, could we avoid this bio-diesel hazardous waste stuff? > > > > Say 5 gallons every fill up or so? Free 5 gallons might make > > this worth the while, only issue is filtering... > > > > ideas? > > > > john > > > > > > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > > > >-->The book Derick mentions below covers all of these issues. The > > >short -->answers: --> -->* with biodiesel, no real maint. issues. > > >With straight veggie oil, -->coking of the injectors may be an issue > > >depending on the system you -->use. If you start the engine on > > >dino-diesel, then switch to bio- -->diesel, then cool off on > > >dino-diesel, coking is less of a factor --> -->* I assume you're > > >refering to the smell of rancid veggie oil. The -->process of making > > >biodiesel remove the free fatty acids that are -->responsible for oil > > >turning rancid. No FFAs, no smell. --> -->* Stores the same as > > >dino-diesel. In cold climates (that's freezing -->and below for you > > >warm-landers on the Pacific Coast ;->), you may -->need to add an > > >anti-gelling agent, available from just about any -->truckstop or > > >home heating oil vendor. --> -->* Pumping is the same. --> -->* Ahh, > > >easy oil. As I gaze out onto my new collection of used oil > > >-->containers, I know this is a question I can answer. Go to every > > >bar -->and resturant around you and ask if they have used fryer oil. > > >After -->they look at you like you're nutz, explain that you'll haul > > >it away -->for free. See, they have to pay to have a waste disposal > > >company take -->it, or else find, errr, creative ways to "dispose" of > > >it. One local -->bar owner almost hugged me when I offered to take > > >his oil - it seems -->that he had been storing it in the basement for > > >several years and was -->(almost) literally drowning in the stuff. I > > >happily took 300 gallons -->off his hands and he happily helped me > > >load it onto my trailer. --> -->Have fun! --> -->Mike Aimino --> > > >-->On 29 Apr 03, at 17:43, Robert Chase wrote: --> -->> I have > > >considered it too however there are several questions I have -->> yet > > >to answer. -->> -->> Engine Longevity/Maint issues that might arrise > > >-->> How to get rid of the smell? -->> How to store the fuel. -->> > > >How to pump fuel. -->> How to obtain oil easily. -->> -->> Robert. > > >-->> -->> -->> Derickam AA wrote: -->> -->> > I love this topic. -->> > > >> -->> > The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete > > >Guide to -->> > Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua > > >Tickell covers -->> > it all. -->> > -->> > - Biodiesel -->> > - > > >Straight veggie oil conversion -->> > -->> > It even spells out > > >installation and parts sources, way cool. -->> > -->> > The book is > > >in very high demand apparently. -->> > It is currently out of stock > > >on Amazon. -->> > Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. -->> > -->> > > >> There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com > > >-->> > . -->> > -->> > It is a fascinating topic to ponder. -->> > > > >-->> > If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it > > >by -->> > now. -->> > -->> > -->> > Derick Amburgey -->> > Automated > > >Control Specialist -->> > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite > > >Train System -->> > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX -->> > List "Mom" > > >of Diesel-Benz reflector -->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 > > >Mi -->> > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi -->> > 1984 > > >Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > > > >-->> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >-->> > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* -->> > > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --> > > > > ---- > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:41:19 -0700 From: john Subject: 34.74 mpg! Tanked up the 190D today... noticed it went past 430 miles before the fuel light came on... was wondering nervously if it was working or not and I'd be forced to roll to the side and dump the gallon I carry in the trunk in or not... ;) Anyway, 34.74 mpg... we'll see how the next tank goes... Still trying to get the a/c to work... are there any wires under the dash that could get knocked loose when we did the ignition switch? The compressor will start if we ground the wiring under the hood... the system had NO freon in it at all... :( Not sure why the pump worked before... I know it did so I suspect we knocked a wire loose under the dash... started to do the R134 conversion tonight... pump still didn't come on... Sunroof is making a grinding noise when I open and close it now... drat... wonder what that's all about... what did I screw up now? ;) hopefully it'll work tomorrow, heading down for a job interview... :) later, john - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 04:47:33 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Hmmmmm Too Bad Im not the van type. I could have a "real" sprinter http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2413395699&category=6315 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:53:21 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Hmmmmm see, the guy is selling it because he has a "little" Jeep Wagoneer... ;) (it's parked behind it... ;) I'd rather have an XJ then the sprinter... but what I'd really rather have is the XJ with a sprinter's Diesel. :) john At 04:47 AM 4/30/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Too Bad Im not the van type. I could have a "real" sprinter > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2413395699&category=6315 > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:59:56 -0700 From: john Subject: elvis special not a Diesel, but still a Benz... ;) john http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412518440&category=6315 - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:51:08 -0700 From: john Subject: sunset and a 35 mpg 190D http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/190D/35mpg-n-a-sunset.jpg john - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:55:26 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: elvis special Oh That thing, I have seen the elvipullman before on ebay.... Wonder if its the same seller or someone who bought the behemouth and did not feel the nostalgia oozing out of it..... hmmm interesting thing about the name Elvis rearrange some of the letters and you have evils. Kinda ironic really. Ok ok ok..... Im still up from last night on coffee fumes trying to track where I have been and worked for the past 10 years for a security screening.... Robert. john wrote: > not a Diesel, but still a Benz... ;) > john > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412518440&category=6315 > ----------------------------- > Oh well, > I'm a man, > but I can change, > if I have to, > I guess > -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ > ------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:30:47 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel So if I was brewing my own diesel fuel AND stock piling fertilizer that would be a bad thing?? ;) Thanks! Jim/ '83 240D > Just FYI for those who are starting out making > Bio-fuels in the backyard... > > Glycernin is a big part of a certian, very powerful, > explosive, in fact it's the hard element to get if you > are interested in making explosives and not bio-fuel. > > I mention this in case anyone from the ATF or local > sheriff's department starts spooking about, because > the little old lady down the street called the 1-800 > number because she saw you dressed up in NBC gear and > a gas mask when you're mixing your bio-fuel with Lye, > one sunny sunday afternoon... > > -hue- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:37:58 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel A fiend of mine has made comments that the headlines of our local paper will soon have something about "local man" and "backwoods lab" and "BATF." I also have a sneaking suspicion that if anything like that happens, my "friends" will be sitting across the road in lawn chairs, drinking beer. - -----Original Message----- From: hue wong [mailto:wong_hue-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:06 PM To: Robert Chase; jslash-at-execpc.com Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel Just FYI for those who are starting out making Bio-fuels in the backyard... Glycernin is a big part of a certian, very powerful, explosive, in fact it's the hard element to get if you are interested in making explosives and not bio-fuel. I mention this in case anyone from the ATF or local sheriff's department starts spooking about, because the little old lady down the street called the 1-800 number because she saw you dressed up in NBC gear and a gas mask when you're mixing your bio-fuel with Lye, one sunny sunday afternoon... - -hue- - --- Robert Chase wrote: > ? > > R. > > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >The last conversation on this topic a few weeks ago > talked about > >a *byproduct* of the process that had to be delt > with also? What > >was that? > > > >Jim/ > > > > > > > >>I liked the "popcorn" machine smell that come out > of my > >>VW Rabbit Diesel when I used old vegetable oil > from the deepfat > >>frier at home... :) of course it clogged my fuel > filter pretty > >>quick... ;) > >> > >>john > >> > >>At 02:20 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Yep Biodiesel, > >>> > >>>Check out biodiesel.org for some more > information. > >>>There are two ways that I understand its done. > >>> > >>>The heated tank or the addition of the additives > that make the veggie > >>> > >>> > >oil > > > > > >>>biodiesel. The site also talks about different > mixtures of biodiesel > >>> > >>> > >and > > > > > >>>regular diesel fuel. In my opinion the mixtures > might be the best > >>> > >>> > >bet for > > > > > >>>masking the "fish and chips" scent of a biodiesel > running vehicle.... > >>> > >>>Robert > >>> > >>>Jim Hoffman wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Folks, > >>>> > >>>> Someone had talked about putting a system > together to make their > >>>>own fuel from left over frier oil. I don't > remember who it was but > >>>>I'm wondering if it was successful.... The > article that Mike Frank > >>>>forwarded to the list talked about a heated > tank, starting on diesel > >>>>and switching over, blah, blah, blah... I > thought someone else was > >>>>talking about filtering/processing so you just > dumped it in the tank > >>>>and went. > >>>> > >>>> The weather is warming up so I'm planning on > getting the hole in > >>>>my floorpan fixed soon and might entertain > trying this. The car > >>>>isn't worth that much if it doesn't work ;) > >>>> > >>>>Thanks! > >>>> > >>>>Jim/ > >>>> > >>>>'83 240D > >>>> > >>>> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, > they mold... > >> jesus, don't leave life without him, > please! > >>------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:49:03 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel I think I remember reading somewhere that the problem with these centrifuge oil cleaners is that they're TOO good - they actually spin out the important additives, like the polymers that make multi-weight oil act the way it does. - -----Original Message----- From: gary [mailto:gbangs-at-cfl.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:51 PM To: Michael Frank Cc: Diesel Benz Subject: RE: Vegetable Oil fuel Check this out... http://www.dieselproducts.com/spinner/spinner.html I almost considered this before I sold my Quantum TD. - -Gary in Orlando On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 17:50, Michael Frank wrote: > I used to regularly dump my used motor oil into a full tank of Diesel fuel. > Had the advantage that the fuel comes out black, no matter what color dye > happens to be in it ;-0. But the waste oil from the Diesel contains way too > much solid matter....filters clog pretty quickly. The cost of filters was > about what I saved on fuel.... No long term damage that I could tell, no > bad smells or smoke. If anything, the car idled more smoothly. > > Has anyone found a centrifugal filter that would work with a Benz Diesel? > > Mike Frank > > At 05:40 PM 4/29/03, john > >The other option is to use used motor oil. Anyone ever done that? > >I have and it works fine too, but again, my filter clogged with > >these experiments... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:49:26 -0400 From: Andrew_Strasfogel-at-blm.gov Subject: Used motor oil into Diesel fuel Anyone out ther remember Green Oasis? They have a plant in SC that converts used motor oil into #2 diesel: http://www.greenoasis.com/ Robert Chase , Diesel Benz star.org> Sent by: cc: owner-diesel-benz Subject: Re: Vegetable Oil fuel -at-digest.net 04/29/03 05:45 PM Hmmmm, Now thats appealing to me..... One wonders what oil change places do with their used motor oil. They probably have to pay to have it removed. One could save them some money in converting it to useful fuel. If filtered I wonder if it could be used reliably for fuel? Robert. john wrote: > Derick, > > I've got friends in the "food industry"... How much do you want? :) > I haven't asked them yet, but we'll see... > > The other option is to use used motor oil. Anyone ever done that? > I have and it works fine too, but again, my filter clogged with > these experiments... Need to come up with a way of making sure it > won't clog filters or injectors... :) > > john > > At 02:29 PM 4/29/2003 -0700, Derickam AA wrote: > >> I love this topic. >> >> The book by "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to >> Using Vegetable Oil As an Alternative Fuel" by Joshua Tickell covers >> it all. >> >> - Biodiesel >> - Straight veggie oil conversion >> >> It even spells out installation and parts sources, way cool. >> >> The book is in very high demand apparently. >> It is currently out of stock on Amazon. >> Used copies are going for $98 !?! WOW. >> >> There is also a link to it on the afore mentioned www.greasecar.com . >> >> It is a fascinating topic to ponder. >> >> If I had a way to store the oil I would have started doing it by now. >> >> >> Derick Amburgey >> Automated Control Specialist >> Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >> Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >> List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Red" 175,000 Mi >> 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #999 *********************************