From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1008 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, May 7 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1008 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: 300SDL Cooling System Re: 300SDL Cooling System RE: 300SDL Cooling System RE: 300SDL Cooling System RE: 300SDL Cooling System RE: 300SDL Cooling System Running on Kerosene-Veggie Oil 84 300 CD Turbo - best offer over $1000 takes it uuugh crazy thought... 3.0L TD into J10? Re: xj: Re: crazy thought... 3.0L TD into J10? 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Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:50:21 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 300SDL Cooling System two things come to mind quickly... 1) your tstat is stuck, or 2) you have a bad head gasket... :( cool it down, open the cap and start it up... watch for bubbles... bubbles bad... no flow, tstat suspect... unfortunately I'm going with the head gasket as the probable source of your woes... :( john At 11:45 AM 5/6/2003 -0700, mark sorros wrote: >Hi, > >I have a 1987 300SDL that has air trapped in the >cooling system. The system is pressurized to the >point that the top radiator hose can not be squeezed >when the engine is cold. The coolant pressure is >causing coolant to leak through the top radiator tank >seal. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > >Mark > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:09:50 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: 300SDL Cooling System > two things come to mind quickly... > 1) your tstat is stuck, or > 2) you have a bad head gasket... :( > > cool it down, open the cap and start it up... watch > for bubbles... bubbles bad... no flow, tstat suspect... > > unfortunately I'm going with the head gasket as the probable > source of your woes... :( > > john > I agree, if you have pressure when the engine is cold then something is very wrong. Suspect the head gasket if you're lucky, or worse--cracked head. If the engine has seriously overheated then the head may be done for. As I recall 300 SDL head had a warping problem . Someone might want to opine on that subject. If the head is toast, look at this as an opportunity to rebuild the engine and get another 300K miles out of your car. Or, sell it to me. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:22:55 -0500 From: "Chuck Galloway" Subject: RE: 300SDL Cooling System Your symptoms are unfortunately those of a cracked head/blown head gasket. The combustion gasses are leaking into the cooling system and pressurizing it beyond normal. Check the coolant overflow tank for oil. Not cheap to fix but should be a fix for life. These engines have aluminum heads and are very sensitive to overheating. The trap oxidizers on the California '86 and all '87 models made it worse. A recall by MBUSA removed all the trap oxidizers and replaced them with a catalyst instead and the overheating problems were reduced significantly. If your car still has the trap oxidizer(looks like a football between the turbocharger and exhaust), then you might try to get some relief/ shared cost for repair from MBUSA. They will remove the oxidizer for free, replace exhaust components as needed, perhaps the turbocharger too under the recall. Any more is up to your negotiating skills. Chuck Galloway '87 300SDL 189k _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sorros Subject: RE: 300SDL Cooling System There's no oil in the overflow tank. There's no coolant in the oil either. I had no problems with the old radiator, other than the engine running hot. It was determined the radiator was blocked. I replaced the thermostat and radiator about a year ago and have been encountering the coolant leakage issues. I was thinking there may be a way to "burp" (remove the air) the cooling system. Thanks, Mark - --- Chuck Galloway wrote: > Your symptoms are unfortunately those of a cracked > head/blown head gasket. > The combustion gasses are leaking into the cooling > system and pressurizing > it beyond normal. Check the coolant overflow tank > for oil. Not cheap to > fix but should be a fix for life. These engines > have aluminum heads and are > very sensitive to overheating. The trap oxidizers > on the California '86 and > all '87 models made it worse. A recall by MBUSA > removed all the trap > oxidizers and replaced them with a catalyst instead > and the overheating > problems were reduced significantly. If your car > still has the trap > oxidizer(looks like a football between the > turbocharger and exhaust), then > you might try to get some relief/ shared cost for > repair from MBUSA. They > will remove the oxidizer for free, replace exhaust > components as needed, > perhaps the turbocharger too under the recall. Any > more is up to your > negotiating skills. > Chuck Galloway > '87 300SDL 189k > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:52:03 -0500 From: "Richard Arnold" Subject: RE: 300SDL Cooling System Mark Two years ago, I had my '87 SDL flushed and a new t-stat installed as precautionary maintenance. With the new t-stat, the operating temp went up to about 100c. This year my block heater went out. After installing a new one, I could not get the system to purge. It exhibited the same characteristics you describe here. I changed the t-stat again and the system has been fine since. However, the car runs at about 90c now. Also, back to a previous thread about coolant. I used a 50-50 mix of the factory stuff. Skittish I guess. Richard Arnold '87 300SDL '73 Alfa Spider > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] > On Behalf Of mark sorros > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:33 PM > To: Chuck Galloway; diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: 300SDL Cooling System > > There's no oil in the overflow tank. There's no > coolant in the oil either. I had no problems with the > old radiator, other than the engine running hot. It > was determined the radiator was blocked. I replaced > the thermostat and radiator about a year ago and have > been encountering the coolant leakage issues. I was > thinking there may be a way to "burp" (remove the air) > the cooling system. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > --- Chuck Galloway wrote: > > Your symptoms are unfortunately those of a cracked > > head/blown head gasket. > > The combustion gasses are leaking into the cooling > > system and pressurizing > > it beyond normal. Check the coolant overflow tank > > for oil. Not cheap to > > fix but should be a fix for life. These engines > > have aluminum heads and are > > very sensitive to overheating. The trap oxidizers > > on the California '86 and > > all '87 models made it worse. A recall by MBUSA > > removed all the trap > > oxidizers and replaced them with a catalyst instead > > and the overheating > > problems were reduced significantly. If your car > > still has the trap > > oxidizer(looks like a football between the > > turbocharger and exhaust), then > > you might try to get some relief/ shared cost for > > repair from MBUSA. They > > will remove the oxidizer for free, replace exhaust > > components as needed, > > perhaps the turbocharger too under the recall. Any > > more is up to your > > negotiating skills. > > Chuck Galloway > > '87 300SDL 189k > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: 300SDL Cooling System it's possible that the coolant is low... I've had that happen with a BMW before... you might get off lucky... ;) john On Tue, 6 May 2003, mark sorros wrote: >-->There's no oil in the overflow tank. There's no >-->coolant in the oil either. I had no problems with the >-->old radiator, other than the engine running hot. It >-->was determined the radiator was blocked. I replaced >-->the thermostat and radiator about a year ago and have >-->been encountering the coolant leakage issues. I was >-->thinking there may be a way to "burp" (remove the air) >-->the cooling system. >--> >-->Thanks, >-->Mark >--> >--> >-->--- Chuck Galloway wrote: >-->> Your symptoms are unfortunately those of a cracked >-->> head/blown head gasket. >-->> The combustion gasses are leaking into the cooling >-->> system and pressurizing >-->> it beyond normal. Check the coolant overflow tank >-->> for oil. Not cheap to >-->> fix but should be a fix for life. These engines >-->> have aluminum heads and are >-->> very sensitive to overheating. The trap oxidizers >-->> on the California '86 and >-->> all '87 models made it worse. A recall by MBUSA >-->> removed all the trap >-->> oxidizers and replaced them with a catalyst instead >-->> and the overheating >-->> problems were reduced significantly. If your car >-->> still has the trap >-->> oxidizer(looks like a football between the >-->> turbocharger and exhaust), then >-->> you might try to get some relief/ shared cost for >-->> repair from MBUSA. They >-->> will remove the oxidizer for free, replace exhaust >-->> components as needed, >-->> perhaps the turbocharger too under the recall. Any >-->> more is up to your >-->> negotiating skills. >-->> Chuck Galloway >-->> '87 300SDL 189k >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->_________________________________________________________________ >-->> MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months >-->> FREE*. >-->> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >--> >--> >-->__________________________________ >-->Do you Yahoo!? >-->The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >-->http://search.yahoo.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:25:21 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Running on Kerosene-Veggie Oil I scanned the pages from the book, "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank" dealing with running a diesel engine on a mix of kerosene and used fryer oil. YMMV. DAYOR. etc etc. http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page1.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page2.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page3.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page4.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page5.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page6.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page7.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page8.jpg http://www.alltel.net/~maimino/page9.jpg Have at it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:31:38 EDT From: JoErnest-at-aol.com Subject: 84 300 CD Turbo - best offer over $1000 takes it Hello again, I absolutely have to free up space in the driveway (so that my wife can park her Saab off the street.) metallic blue paint, no body dents tan cloth seats, tan interior transmission flare noisy injector clatter intermittant CV joint clack car in Fremont, SF bay area, CA 510-654-7200 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 07:28:06 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: uuugh Guess what happened to me this morning? Sunroof Jam!!!!!!!!!!!! And of course it was misty out and was rainy.... Thank goodness I have a garrage. It opens but when it goes to close it closes 20% and then stops with a nice grinding noise. I got the tool out and closed it so I wont have my car filled with water again like when I bought it..... Any ideas? Robert... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:20:22 -0700 From: john Subject: crazy thought... 3.0L TD into J10? Since SuperDawg ('83 J10 Stepside) is still in a number of pieces and I may have located a possible 3.0L Turbo Diesel that is running (should be rebuilt), and I've always wanted a Diesel Full Size Jeep... Would a 1984 3.0L Mercedes Benz Turbo Diesel engine actually push a 1983 J10 stepside with 4.10 gears and 235's... and how hard would it be to mate the Benz 3.0L engine to the Aisin Warner 4speed Automatic normally found in a 1996 Jeep Cherokee? Or would it mate to the old T-5 that came in my J10? (prefer an Automatic and don't want the mercedes AT, prefer to leave Rube Goldberg setups off of SuperDawg. ;) Already spent money building a custom adapter to mate the AW4 to the NP219, so sticking with the AW4 is the best plan... ENGINE SPECS - MISC ENGINE Specs year - engine - HP -at- rpm - torque -at- rpm - -------------------------------------- 83 - J10 4.2L - 115 hp -at- 3,200 - 210 ft lbs -at- 1,800 <-- current 96 - XJ 4.0L - 185 hp -at- 4,600 - 220 ft lbs -at- 2,400 <-- superdawg current plan 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) From the specs the stock engine had 115hp/210fts of torque, the 3.0L TD has 10 more hp, but about 40 less ft lbs of torque... Of course the 4.0L that I have seems to offer so much more in the way of power... BUT, if SuperDawg at the Turbo Diesel with the Aisin Warner 4 speed automatic and the gearing/tires I've selected he should get over 20mpg in town and offer acceptable performance for Seattle area traffic... :) Thoughts? Remember I'm driving a 190D with a 2.2L right now and find it acceptable... would like more power, but where would I go with it anyway? I'd just get to the traffic bottlenecks faster... ;) 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 (normally aspirated) - daily driver now... ;) john meister - ----------------------------------------------------- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - - 67 J100 Panel (SJ) - 83 J10 Stepside - superdawg (SJ) - 99 grand cherokee (WJ) (for sale) - '87 Cherokee (XJ) (243,000 miles) '75 J10 trailer http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J10-trailer/ '85 190D http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/190D/ john-at-wagoneers.com jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:56:26 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: crazy thought... 3.0L TD into J10? At 01:40 PM 5/7/2003 -0400, Don Hansen wrote: >I'm sure it'll push it,but if the Diesel Benz's I've been behind are any >indication, it'll push it SLOWLY! In Seattle if you're doing the speed limit you're lucky... :) There are very few places where acceleration is needed or able to be used. :( I can get around fine with the little 190D. But I'm not sure I want to give up the zip of a good 4.0L in my J10 yet... it's a tough call... economy or mediocre performance... I'm not trying to build a racer, if I were I'd gone for the 4.7L v8 out of a Wj (major bucks though. :( The 4.0L in the 4,100lb J10 isn't going to be all that zippy... won't be bad with the 4.10 gears, but still... guess we'll see... The 4.0L should be a good compromise, but if I sacrificed a bit of performance for the Turbo Diesel's economy... problem is fitting the Benz 3.0L to the AW4... john >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:20 PM >Subject: xj: crazy thought... 3.0L TD into J10? > > > > Since SuperDawg ('83 J10 Stepside) is still in a number of pieces > > and I may have located a possible 3.0L Turbo Diesel that is running > > (should be rebuilt), and I've always wanted a Diesel Full Size Jeep... > > > > Would a 1984 3.0L Mercedes Benz Turbo Diesel engine actually > > push a 1983 J10 stepside with 4.10 gears and 235's... and how > > hard would it be to mate the Benz 3.0L engine to the Aisin Warner > > 4speed Automatic normally found in a 1996 Jeep Cherokee? Or would > > it mate to the old T-5 that came in my J10? (prefer an Automatic > > and don't want the mercedes AT, prefer to leave Rube Goldberg setups > > off of SuperDawg. ;) Already spent money building a custom adapter > > to mate the AW4 to the NP219, so sticking with the AW4 is the best > > plan... > > > > ENGINE SPECS - MISC > > ENGINE Specs > > year - engine - HP -at- rpm - torque -at- rpm > > -------------------------------------- > > 83 - J10 4.2L - 115 hp -at- 3,200 - 210 ft lbs -at- 1,800 <-- current > > 96 - XJ 4.0L - 185 hp -at- 4,600 - 220 ft lbs -at- 2,400 <-- superdawg >current > > plan > > 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) > > > > > > From the specs the stock engine had 115hp/210fts of torque, the 3.0L TD > > has 10 more hp, but about 40 less ft lbs of torque... Of course the 4.0L >that > > I have seems to offer so much more in the way of power... > > > > BUT, if SuperDawg at the Turbo Diesel with the Aisin Warner 4 speed >automatic > > and the gearing/tires I've selected he should get over 20mpg in town and >offer > > acceptable performance for Seattle area traffic... :) > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Remember I'm driving a 190D with a 2.2L right now and find it >acceptable... > > would like more power, but where would I go with it anyway? > > I'd just get to the traffic bottlenecks faster... ;) > > > > 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 (normally aspirated) > > - daily driver now... ;) > > > > john meister > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > > - 67 J100 Panel (SJ) - 83 J10 Stepside - superdawg (SJ) > > - 99 grand cherokee (WJ) (for sale) - '87 Cherokee (XJ) (243,000 >miles) > > '75 J10 trailer http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J10-trailer/ > > '85 190D http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/190D/ > > john-at-wagoneers.com > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > ----------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1008 **********************************