From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1020 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, May 14 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1020 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? Re: just sold the '99 WJ Diesel HP ratings Selling a Junque car in California waste oil tips Re: Diesel HP ratings Re: Selling a Junque car in California Re: just sold the '99 WJ Brake shoes Re[2]: just sold the '99 WJ Re: just sold the '99 WJ Re: just sold the '99 WJ Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:23:03 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? > >I'm not sure the Kumho 716HP4 tires are in the same league as E-code lights and > >Topsiders, although they are a great bargain. Maybe the next thing will be > >Leatherique. I keep telling myself I'm gonna try it. > > > > Last October, when the score was 0-1 (in your favor), I needed tires on > my 300SD. At your recomendation, I looked into the Kumho's. After some > research, I found out that the Yokohama Avid Touring tires, priced about > the same of maybe $5 more, had better ratings. I had a set of Yoko's > put on by my local Discount Tire, at the princely sum of $280 out the > door, and was completely amazed. They were noticably quieter and > smoother than the Michelin X-One's they replaced. It almost felt like > I'd gotten a new car! After around 12K, I still feel they were a great > purchase. I have been a Michelin fan for years, but am now a fan of > Yokohama's. So, the score was still 0-1. I have not been a fan of Michelin since I replaced the stock Michelins on my Alfa Syder (long since gone) with Nito (Nitto?) tires. The Michelins lasted about 20 K miles, road hard and didn't handle well. The Nitto tires were sublime, better ride and better handling, and they lasted 40K miles, considering the way I drove in those days that was amazing. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:38:20 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: just sold the '99 WJ I'm impressed with the Gent with the Ambassador. That was a cool car! ;) Jim/ - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI Autos: '83 240D '97 Dodge Grand Caravan '87 Mercury Grand Marquee '80 Mercury Colony Park '71 Mustang Grande' '64 1/2 Mustang (289 V8 4bbl) '64 1/2 Mustang (260 V8) 3 - '53 Willys Utility Wagons '49 International KB-2 Antique Tractors: '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener > Ok, > > I dont feel so bad now.... :) > > Robert. > > > Richard Welty wrote: > > >On Wed, 14 May 2003 07:10:58 -0400 Robert Chase wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hmmm, > >> > >>I would put my cars in a signature line but you guys would probably > >>think I owned a used car lot or something :) > >> > >>Robert Chase > >>82 300SD odo inop at least 300k > >>02 Honda Accord Coupe 13k mi (FOR SALE!) > >>92 Plymouth Sundance 85k > >>89 Chevy S10 Pickup 173k (FOR SALE!) > >>91 Honda Civic Hatchback 200k > >> > >> > > > >you may not be all that extreme for this crowd. > > > >richard > > 1977 300D (almost sold) > > 1996 E300D (wife's daily driver) > > 1974 Alfa GTV (my 3 season daily driver) > > 1991 Alfa 164 > > 1982 Alfa GTV-6 (wife's 3 season fun car) > > 1993 Ford E350 Van (hauler, tow vehicle) > > 1976 Alfa Alfetta Sedan (race car) > > 1975 Alfa Alfetta Sedan (parts for race car) > > 1974 Alfa GTV (parts for nice GTV) > > 1968 Alfa GTV (restoration project) > > 1973 BMW 2002 (crusher bound) > > 1978 Saab 99 GLE (crusher bound) > >-- > >Richard Welty > >rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking > >rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security > >rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:55:00 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Diesel HP ratings Anybody know of some sites that have the HP ratings for other diesel engines. Looking for a site that compares all - I must not be putting the right keywords in google. Waylon - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:58 PM To: J.B. Hebert; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: A Couple Questions I've got specs on my server at: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz most of the data I have came out of Nietske's book, or factory manuals... I'm thinking about the same thing... found an '83 3.0L Turbo Diesel for a grand in a yard... the guy tells me it'll tear up the normally aspirated 3.0L Diesel tranny though. :( john At 02:48 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Selling a Junque car in California Hi Guys, No, this isn't Benz or Diesel related, but don't know who else to ask: We have a really beat up VW bus that's gotta go. Just bought a Chevy Astro cargo van to do that job, there ain't enough parking space in front of the house. We have a buyer with $500 in his hot little hands, ready to take it. Trouble is, this is California. We just took the bus to the smog shop, and it failed. EGR valve doesn't work, and the CO is out of bounds. I think it's because the the half-assed engine "rebuild" I did - I took two engines, made one engine that ran. No new rings, no new or honed cylinders - - the spousal orders at that time were to "make it run and don't spend any money". So it ain't gonna pass smog without some serious and expensive work. California seems to have a new law that says that when you sell or transfer a car, it MUST pass smog, and the responsibility of it passing smog in on the seller. According to the California DMV website, no amount of "As-is" verbiage in the bill of sale will remove that responsibility. If this fellow buys the car for $500, and then has to get a $2000 engine rebuild, he can take us to small claims for the rebuild. So it looks like my old bus goes to a charity..... Anybody know different? - Jerry Kaidor( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Anaeis N Subject: waste oil tips I always dump my unusuable oil into one of the grease dumpsters that I've identified as so low quality that I'll never consider using. They're everywhere! I've always stuck with Chinese and never considered Mexican before. Thanks for the suggestion. I found nothing worthwhile at the Japanese restaurants after running to all ends of town when someone in another city reccommended Japanese as good oil. RW <<<<<<< Subject: Re: Diesel HP ratings At 12:55 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Black, Waylon wrote: >Anybody know of some sites that have the HP ratings for other diesel >engines. Looking for a site that compares all - I must not be putting the >right keywords in google. >Waylon here's some of my notes... doesn't cover a lot of Diesels, but might add to your collection. :) john ENGINE SPECS - MISC ENGINE Specs year - engine - HP -at- rpm - torque -at- rpm - -------------------------------------- 83 - J10 4.2L - 115 hp -at- 3,200 - 210 ft lbs -at- 1,800 <-- current 97 - ZJ 4.0L - 185 hp -at- 4,600 - 220 ft lbs -at- 2,400 <-- superdawg 99 - WJ 4.7L - 235 hp -at- 4,800 - 295 ft lbs -at- 3,200 <-- WJ 99 - WJ 4.0L - 195 hp -at- 4,600 - 230 ft lbs -at- 3,000 83 - J10 360V8 - 129 hp -at- 3,700 - 245 ft lbs -at- 1,600 <-- Old Blue 88 - XJ 4.0L - 177 hp -at- 4,500 - 224 ft lbs -at- 2,500 <-- little wag 91 - XJ 4.0L - 190 hp -at- 4,750 - 225 ft lbs -at- 4,000 97 - ZJ 5.2L - 220 hp -at- 4,400 - 300 ft lbs -at- 3,200 78 - SJ 401V8 - 215 hp -at- 4,400 - 320 ft lbs -at- 2,800 88 - GM 6.2L Dsl- 130 hp -at- 3,600 - 240 ft lbs -at- 2,000 GAS V8s 88 - GM 350V8-FI- 210 hp -at- 4,000 - 300 ft lbs -at- 2,800 89 - Ford 302-FI- 185 hp -at- 3,400 - 270 ft lbs -at- 2,400 Mercedes Diesels - ----------------------------- 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 (normally aspirated) 83 - 240D 2.4L - 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) 87 - 190D 2.5L - 123 hp -at- 4,600 - 168 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) 81 - 300D 3.0L - 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) - --------------------------------------------- 2.2L = 134.2522 cubic inches 2.4L = 146.457 cubic inches 3.0L = 183.0712 cubic inches 4.7L = 286.8116 cubic inches 4.0L = 244.095 cubic inches 5.899343L = 360 cubic inches 6.571213L = 401 cubic inches - ------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:50:00 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: Selling a Junque car in California On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:09:36AM -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > We have a buyer with $500 in his hot little hands, ready to take it. > > Trouble is, this is California. We just took the bus to the smog shop, > and it failed. EGR valve doesn't work, and the CO is out of bounds. I > think it's because the the half-assed engine "rebuild" I did - I took two > engines, made one engine that ran. No new rings, no new or honed cylinders > - the spousal orders at that time were to "make it run and don't spend any > money". So it ain't gonna pass smog without some serious and expensive > work. probably not. the egr valve is a bolt on (but probably hundred dollar) replacement. High CO usually points to mixture and not shoddy rebuild - a shoddy rebuild would cause problems with HC, which MAY go away with a hotter thermostat (if this isn't an air cooled bus). > California seems to have a new law that says that when you sell or > transfer a car, it MUST pass smog, and the responsibility of it passing > smog in on the seller. According to the California DMV website, no > amount of "As-is" verbiage in the bill of sale will remove that > responsibility. it's not a new law. it's been that way as long as I've been playing with old cars. most people just don't know about it. DMV used to have an AS-IS form, but it disappeared last time I was there. Today I actually remembered to call and ask what was up, since I had another vehicle I am probably going to unload and don't want to deal with smog. According to Mary Turk, the supervisor on duty about ten minutes ago at the DMV 800 number, you need to write out two copies of a bill of sale, describing that the buyer understands the vehicle does NOT currently pass smog, and that the buyer is assuming responsibility for making the vehicle pass smog or arranging its disposal. She recommended listing any other near-fatal maladies that the car has that would cause problems for the buyer as well. Make sure YOU and THE BUYER BOTH sign EACH copy in ORIGINAL signature, so that each of you can keep a copy. She also mentioned that listing the price of the vehicle on the bill of sale was a good idea. > If this fellow buys the car for $500, and then has to get a $2000 > engine rebuild, he can take us to small claims for the rebuild. The DMV supervisor said that this bill of sale, signed in original ink by both buyer and seller should hold up in court, since the judge would see that the vehicle was being sold for dirt and the buyer new the problems with the vehicle, and seemed to be trying to get a free engine out of the deal. > So it looks like my old bus goes to a charity..... well, that works too, and depending on how old the bus is and how you do your taxes, the tax deduction for the donation MAY be more beneficial to you. Either way, it means I'm probably going to get that old colony park running (!-at-#% ford electronics), so that I don't have to deal with it. The engine's fine, but it doesn't run long enough to smog it (!). Apologies for the on-list reply, since diesels don't have smog requirements in california, but I know there's other listers in california, and know we don't drive only diesels. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:55:35 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: just sold the '99 WJ On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:38:20PM -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: > I'm impressed with the Gent with the Ambassador. That was a cool > car! ;) If you mean me, thanks. It was my grandfather's pride and joy. It doesn't run now (and hasn't since my father gave it to me), but it will someday. as for the rest of it, well... we'll just leave it at I have *different* taste in cars. As far as cool factor, I like them all... the pacer is by far the most unique (and hopefully john was kidding about wanting to put it on a wagoneer chassis to make it a 4x4), but the buick sportwagon (think olds vista cruiser with the moonroof over the back part) probably turns the most heads :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 69 Sportwagon 400 (400-4, TH-400) 72 Ambassador Brougham sedan (360 4bbl, A727) 73 Gucci Sportabout (304 2bbl, A998) 74 Sportabout D/L (304 2bbl, A998) 74 Cherokee 2 door (258 1bbl, T15, D20, open 3.54 d44's) 77 Cherokee 4 door S (401 4bbl, TH400, BW QT, open 3.54 d44's) 77 Pacer wagon (perkins 4.154M, saab turbo, AOD) 79 Colony Park (351 2vv, C-6) 80 Eagle wagon (parts) (258 2bbl, A998, 119, open 3.08 d30/corp 15) 81 Eagle Wagon (258 2bbl, SR4, 119, open 2.?? d30/corp 15) 82 Country Squire (302 2bbl, AOD) 83 SX/4 (258 2bbl, T-5, 129, open ?.?? d30/corp 15) 84 Eagle Limited Wagon (258 2bbl, T-5, 129, open 2.73 d30/corp 15) 85 Pace Arrow 31' (454 4bbl, TH400) 86 Colony Park LS (302 SEFI, AOD) 94 P71 Crown Victoria (4.6 SEFI, AODE, Syntor X9000, DR590, Pro2067, etc ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:02:18 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Brake shoes I'm getting a flickering brake warning light. Being that there is enough fluid in the reservoir and this car doesn't has Lucas electrics, I assume I'm due from new pads. I see that Rusty has many manufactures of shoes listed. Does any one have strong feelings about the different manufactures? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:36:09 -0700 From: john Subject: Re[2]: just sold the '99 WJ At 08:06 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > > Robert Chase > > 82 300SD odo inop at least 300k > > 02 Honda Accord Coupe 13k mi (FOR SALE!) > > 92 Plymouth Sundance 85k > > 89 Chevy S10 Pickup 173k (FOR SALE!) > > 91 Honda Civic Hatchback 200k > >you may not be all that extreme for this crowd. yeah, that looks pretty tame... ;) seven vehicles here right now, with two or three more down state... by the end of this week should be down to just 5 here, and later this summer none downstate, but one more up here... ;) '67 J100(down state), '75 J10, '79 Chero (son's), '79 300Cd(soon), '83 J10 (down state), '85 190D, '87 xj, '89 xj (son's), '93 pontiac (kid's), '99 wj(for a day or two) later this year should have just one benz, probably the '79 300CD, the '83 J10 and maybe a newer Jeep of some kind... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:32:18 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: just sold the '99 WJ the buyer hit a small snag... the darned sales tax... works out to about $1245 she hadn't considered... she's going to borrow it from her folks... ;) she's getting rid of a newer honda as well... I'd offer a trade if it was something other then a honda... ;) john At 06:42 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Wow, > >Congrats. I just lowered the price of mine to trade in value. It goes >live tomorrow. Hopefully I will get some responses. 2002 Honda Accord >Coupe with Leather 6cd indash changer 13k miles showroom condition >original sticker $24k now only $17,600. If it does not sell at that price >I guess Im stuck driving the damn thing.... > >Robert... > > > > >john wrote: > >>amazing how it works when the ad is actually in the magazine... ;) >>first person to contact us and come out and look at it... >> >>hopefully we'll be able to replace it in a year or so... soon >>as I get another full time job. :) >> >>in the meantime looks like the 190D and the '87 XJ are the fleet until >>SuperDawg is finished... :) once SuperDawg is done we'll probably sell >>the '87 XJ. >> >>john >>----------------------------------------------------------- >> john-at-wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com >> http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html >> >> '83 J10 stepside (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg >>'87 Cherokee Pioneer (XJ) - http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/johns-87 238K! >> '99 Grand Cherokee Ltd (WJ) - http://wagoneers.com/WJ >>'67 J-100 Panel (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/ >>'77 Cherokee (SJ) - almost gone... parted... >>'79 Cherokee (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/GoldenEagle/ >>'76 Datsun 280Z - SOLD >>'75 Jeep J10 - trailer... >>'54 Chevy box... almost a trailer... (on ebay) >> >>coming soon: 1985 Mercedes Benz 190D 2.2L Diesel >> http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/190D/ >> >> Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:40:36 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: just sold the '99 WJ At 11:55 AM 5/14/2003 -0700, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >as for the rest of it, well... we'll just leave it at I have *different* >taste in cars. As far as cool factor, I like them all... the pacer is by >far the most unique (and hopefully john was kidding about wanting to put >it on a >wagoneer chassis to make it a 4x4), but the buick sportwagon (think olds nope... would be really trick... especially with that perkin's Diesel... ;) john >vista cruiser with the moonroof over the back part) probably turns the most >heads :) > >K - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1020 **********************************