From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1022 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, May 16 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1022 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Buddy has sunroof woes Re: Buddy has sunroof woes RE: looking for rims RE: looking for rims Re: Buddy has sunroof woes RE: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? looking for rims RE: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? Re: looking for rims Re: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? Re[2]: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:31:58 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Buddy has sunroof woes Oh, As well the book comes with some very useful stuff like some "tools" (brush that fits in the control rod tube and a correct length of steel wire to pull the brush through for cleaning) as well as the correct lubricants for the control rod and tracks. MB uses this "special" lubricant for their sunroofs which you get with the book. Robert. Robert Chase wrote: > Hmmm, > > Does it make a single click or a bunch of clicks? > > If its a single click it may be a "transmission adjustment" > > If you pull the trim piece out of the trunk on the drivers side you > will find the power sunroof motor there. There is a hole in the side > panel where the sunroof tool goes into the transmission unit to > manually close the roof. There is a bolt/screw/washer assembly there > on the older cars for adjusting the transmission. Or you may have a > red cap. > The transmission assembly on the motor causes the motor to slip when > it reaches the end of the run. This is an advantage so that the motor > does not strain the battery or burn out due to someone holding the > button longer than they need to to open/ close. If the transmission > is out of adjustment it will slip prematurely and not close or not > open all the way. > A helpful book on MB sunroofs is at mercedessource.com. The book is > geared more towards an "overhaul" but this might help you. > My SD's Transmission is shot and is stripping its gears (for the > sunroof thank goodness) right now. Im going to need a replacement and > really dont want to mess with it. The book will be helpful for my > mechanic. I think the book is most helpful for people with "slow > sunroofs" that need help closing because the overhaul cleans and > relubes all the tracks and control rods that assist in closing. It > also describes transmission adjustment. But if you have something > that is broken you still have to replace the parts. On my SD the > motor is located behind a structural member and is difficult to get > to. It may be an SD but Im 6'1" and dont like hanging out in trunks > that dont have an internal release :) So my mechanic will be the one > to hang out in my trunk swearing :). > > Robert. > > > Derickam AA wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> This has probably been covered before so if anyone could provide a >> pointer I could take it from there. >> >> Subject car is a 1979 300SD TurboD. >> >> Problem is the sunroof closes almost all the way except for where it >> pops up into the closed position. When it gets there you hear a >> clicking sound and it goes no further. You have to push it up manually. >> >> However; sometimes it will close on its own. I never had to mess with >> them YET.... :) >> >> Anyone seen this? >> >> >> Derick Amburgey >> Automated Control Specialist >> Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >> Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >> List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >> 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi >> 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:59:08 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Buddy has sunroof woes At 09:24 AM 5/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >On my SD the motor is located behind a structural member and is difficult >to get to. It may be an SD but Im 6'1" and dont like hanging out in >trunks that dont have an internal release :) So my mechanic will be the >one to hang out in my trunk swearing :). At 6'1" you don't need to crawl in the trunk... you should be able to reach in and yard that thing out... ;) the motor is hidden behind a structural part on the 190D as well, but even at a runty 5'7" I'm able to reach it without crawling in. :) three bolts and that cable is all that's holding that thing in... :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:04:35 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: looking for rims Thorsten, I vaguely remember from earlier postings that the steel rims are inexpensive to buy new at MB parts counters. Alternatively, If you can find a time warp garage (greasy work area with a pot-belly stove that the aged mechanics sit around, smoke and talk), they often are set up to straighten steel wheels. May be safer to not tell them the wheels go on one of them furrin cars. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Realist-at-gmx.at Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:27 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: looking for rims Well, first of all I'd like to thank everybody for the replies I got. It seems to be not the easiest to get these rims. I have tried the benz store in Atlanta, but they only got 3 of them whith 2 in a bad shape. Obviously they get easily bent so it will be difficult to get godd ones. The requests I started via the internet didn't give me any positive results either. But I am still trying there a very few chances left on my list. Have a nice day, Thorsten - -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte ldcheln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:07:52 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: looking for rims At 11:04 AM 5/15/2003 -0500, Sam Williams wrote: >Thorsten, >I vaguely remember from earlier postings that the steel rims are >inexpensive to buy new at MB parts counters. Alternatively, If you >can find a time warp garage (greasy work area with a pot-belly stove >that the aged mechanics sit around, smoke and talk), they often >are set up to straighten steel wheels. May be safer to not tell >them the wheels go on one of them furrin cars. >Sam or that it's a mercedes... of course they might start to figure that out when they see the three points... then the price will go up... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:36:37 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Buddy has sunroof woes Hmmm, If I had a 190 I could reach in with no problem. Unfortunatly the SD has two things that make that difficult. A large trunk and a high liftover. As well I'm a computer engineer and not a mechanic. I don't want to make the mechanic's job harder by doing something "stupid". As you know when your users try to fix a problem they have created they sometimes make it much worse for you to clean up :) I have a whole list of things that it needs to go in for so Ill just add it to the list. Heh heh.... Just read over my last paragraph.... Reminds me of startrek. "Damnit Jim Im a Doctor not a (insert phraze of the week here)". Robert john wrote: > At 09:24 AM 5/15/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> On my SD the motor is located behind a structural member and is >> difficult to get to. It may be an SD but Im 6'1" and dont like >> hanging out in trunks that dont have an internal release :) So my >> mechanic will be the one to hang out in my trunk swearing :). > > > At 6'1" you don't need to crawl in the trunk... you should > be able to reach in and yard that thing out... ;) the motor is > hidden behind a structural part on the 190D as well, but even > at a runty 5'7" I'm able to reach it without crawling in. :) three > bolts and that cable is all that's holding that thing in... :) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:13:39 -0600 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: RE: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? I hate Michelins too...I put the Yokohama Avid's (T4 I think...it was a while ago) on my 300SD and they are great. unfortunately, I think my ball joints or something else in the front suspension is bad because the front sags and is wearing off the insides on the front after only 8K miles... I slammed on my brakes in my mustang years ago which had some michelins on it, and it made a flat spot on the tire....had to replace it....they didn't handle at all, and they wore really fast. I just don't see what people see in them...I guess they market their "Safety" really well with the baby happily sitting in a tire...(yeah that's safe when the toddler takes a bite of rubber!) but I've never had a blowout or any other "safety" problem with any other brand of tires...maybe the ones I had were the bottom of the line michelins... - -- Scott Haaland 96 6.5L TurboDiesel Chevy Suburban K1500 80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet 87 Acura Legend 83 VW Vanagon 69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schwartz [mailto:pschw-at-earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:23 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? > >I'm not sure the Kumho 716HP4 tires are in the same league as E-code lights and > >Topsiders, although they are a great bargain. Maybe the next thing will be > >Leatherique. I keep telling myself I'm gonna try it. > > > > Last October, when the score was 0-1 (in your favor), I needed tires on > my 300SD. At your recomendation, I looked into the Kumho's. After some > research, I found out that the Yokohama Avid Touring tires, priced about > the same of maybe $5 more, had better ratings. I had a set of Yoko's > put on by my local Discount Tire, at the princely sum of $280 out the > door, and was completely amazed. They were noticably quieter and > smoother than the Michelin X-One's they replaced. It almost felt like > I'd gotten a new car! After around 12K, I still feel they were a great > purchase. I have been a Michelin fan for years, but am now a fan of > Yokohama's. So, the score was still 0-1. I have not been a fan of Michelin since I replaced the stock Michelins on my Alfa Syder (long since gone) with Nito (Nitto?) tires. The Michelins lasted about 20 K miles, road hard and didn't handle well. The Nitto tires were sublime, better ride and better handling, and they lasted 40K miles, considering the way I drove in those days that was amazing. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:22:17 +0200 (MEST) From: Realist-at-gmx.at Subject: looking for rims Well, the thing is that the rims the W123 sedans came on were not out of steel. they look like steel rims but are made out of alloy. If I got everything right, then these alloy-but-look-like-steel-rims are now replaced by real steel rims, so I have no chance to get them new. And I doubt that alloy wheels can be straightened. But I am working on it, before I start crying I am going to give a few other places a chance. I will let you know how everything works. Thorsten ........................ Thorsten, I vaguely remember from earlier postings that the steel rims are inexpensive to buy new at MB parts counters. Alternatively, If you can find a time warp garage (greasy work area with a pot-belly stove that the aged mechanics sit around, smoke and talk), they often are set up to straighten steel wheels. May be safer to not tell them the wheels go on one of them furrin cars. Sam - -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte ldcheln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:52:28 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? I've had Michelin tires on my cars and trucks for years, they bought BFG as well... I won't run anything else. I did have some troubles in the '70's with XZX tires bubbling, but stateside no troubles whatsoever, best all around tire I've ever had. Run the Energy MXV4's on my last Benzes, LTX and LTX AT's on my Jeeps... I have a set of goodyears on this 190D, brand new, they're ok. But I know they won't last as long as the Michelin's. There are some lower end michelin's that I've seen, but never run them... The BFG Goodrich AT's (esp. the KO's) are great tires, long lasting... I had a set on my XJ, on my J10 trailer now. :) I've had Yokohoma's on a 4x4 before, they didn't last... :( I've tried Dunlops, Goodyear, Les Schwab junque and so on and so on... Michelin's are what I keep coming back to. :) john At 11:13 AM 5/15/2003 -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >I hate Michelins too...I put the Yokohama Avid's (T4 I think...it was a >while ago) on my 300SD and they are great. unfortunately, I think my ball >joints or something else in the front suspension is bad because the front >sags and is wearing off the insides on the front after only 8K miles... > >I slammed on my brakes in my mustang years ago which had some michelins on >it, and it made a flat spot on the tire....had to replace it....they >didn't handle at all, and they wore really fast. I just don't see what >people see in them...I guess they market their "Safety" really well with >the baby happily sitting in a tire...(yeah that's safe when the toddler >takes a bite of rubber!) but I've never had a blowout or any other >"safety" problem with any other brand of tires...maybe the ones I had were >the bottom of the line michelins... > >-- >Scott Haaland > >96 6.5L TurboDiesel Chevy Suburban K1500 >80 300 SD - The Silver Hornet >87 Acura Legend >83 VW Vanagon >69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Schwartz [mailto:pschw-at-earthlink.net] >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:23 AM >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? > > > > >I'm not sure the Kumho 716HP4 tires are in the same league as E-code >lights and > > >Topsiders, although they are a great bargain. Maybe the next thing will >be > > >Leatherique. I keep telling myself I'm gonna try it. > > > > > > > Last October, when the score was 0-1 (in your favor), I needed tires on > > my 300SD. At your recomendation, I looked into the Kumho's. After some > > research, I found out that the Yokohama Avid Touring tires, priced about > > the same of maybe $5 more, had better ratings. I had a set of Yoko's > > put on by my local Discount Tire, at the princely sum of $280 out the > > door, and was completely amazed. They were noticably quieter and > > smoother than the Michelin X-One's they replaced. It almost felt like > > I'd gotten a new car! After around 12K, I still feel they were a great > > purchase. I have been a Michelin fan for years, but am now a fan of > > Yokohama's. So, the score was still 0-1. > >I have not been a fan of Michelin since I replaced the stock Michelins on my >Alfa Syder (long since gone) with Nito (Nitto?) tires. The Michelins lasted >about 20 K miles, road hard and didn't handle well. The Nitto tires were >sublime, better ride and better handling, and they lasted 40K miles, >considering the way I drove in those days that was amazing. > >Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:16:55 US/Central From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: looking for rims > Well, > > the thing is that the rims the W123 sedans came on were not out of steel. > they look like steel rims but are made out of alloy. If I got everything > right, then these alloy-but-look-like-steel-rims are now replaced by real steel > rims, so I have no chance to get them new. And I doubt that alloy wheels can be > straightened. But I am working on it, before I start crying I am going to > give a few other places a chance. I will let you know how everything works. > > Thorsten > Since you're in the Atlanta area, although he may or may not be able to help, please be sure to call Rusty Cullens at 800-741-5252. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:26:27 -0400 From: Renaud OLGIATI Subject: Re: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? My mailbox was recently graced by a missive from scott_haaland-at-agilent.com : > they didn't handle at all, and they wore really fast. I just don't see > what people see in them...I I have always been very pleased with the road-holding and longevity of the Michelins I have bought and used; but I've always used them on Citroen cars (Light 15, 2CV, 3CV, GS, CX and Berlingo) which were all front-wheel drive, and more or less designed around Michelins since Michelin was for a long time the majority stockholder in Citroen. They are _great_ on front-wheel-drive wars; I have not yet had to change tyres on the wife's W123, but would be tempted to go on with Michelin. Will let you know if and when. Cheers, Ron the Frog, on the banks of the Paraguay River. - -- Beware of foreign entanglements. -- George Washington -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Welty Subject: Re[2]: Tires, WAS: Air filter recommendation? On Thu, 15 May 2003 18:26:27 -0400 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > They are _great_ on front-wheel-drive wars; I have not yet had to change > tyres > on the wife's W123, but would be tempted to go on with Michelin. some michelins are better than others. i had a set of OE MXVs on my Alfa Milano (Alfa 75 V6 outside of the US), and i swear that during the first snowstorm i drove that car in they tried to kill me. the old Yokohama A509 was a far better tire for the money in that particular application. richard - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1022 **********************************