From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1035 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, May 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1035 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: 34 mpg - 190d Re: 34 mpg - 190d Re: 34 mpg - 190d veggie oil ; I'm in... Re: 34 mpg - 190d Re: wiring diagram of tachometer Re: wiring diagram of tachometer Re: veggie oil ; I'm in... Value/opinions of 240 D Re: Value/opinions of 240 D comparisons 190D vs 300CD, updated Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Not much stopping and > >> going, so > >> > that counts for freeway miles :) > >> > > >> **** Such driving does increase the bandwidth of the freeway - in > >> terms of > >> cars per hour - but it makes some pretty horrendous accidents sometimes. > >> I prefer three SECONDS of clearance. In fact, I insist on it. > >> > >> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) > > > > - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:22:24 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: 34 mpg - 190d On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 12:06:36PM -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > LA traffic OTOH, you'll be doing 85, and have three inches clearance between > > you and the cars in front and behind you. Not much stopping and going, so > > that counts for freeway miles :) > > **** Such driving does increase the bandwidth of the freeway - in terms of > cars per hour - but it makes some pretty horrendous accidents sometimes. > I prefer three SECONDS of clearance. In fact, I insist on it. That instance was 11pm, on a saturday night, on I-10 going from I-5 to about SR-57. Pretty insane. Needless to say, I have never driven that stretch of I-10 since. The crown vic didn't come away from that trip with any battle scars, but it was a hairraising experience to say the least. I try to go the flow of traffic as that is least intrusive to traffic (and therefore less likely to cause accidents), but that trip down I-10 was just plain ridiculous. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:09:23 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: 34 mpg - 190d Heh heh, No meds here.... Although at times they would come in handy :). Do they come in blow dart form? Robert. scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >Robert, did you forget your meds again today? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:40 PM >To: john >Cc: Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: 34 mpg - 190d > > >Hmmmm, > > I don't think I could live in those areas though because the newspaper >headlines would probably read something like "Crazed Psycho rams highway >shooter off freeway with Mercedes Benz and bludgeons them to death with >fire extinguisher". > >Robert. > >john wrote: > > > >>whoever has one of those must have a death wish if they live >>in LA, the bay area or Seattle... it's like painting a >>target on your car and saying "please mr. road rage maniac, >>shoot me, hit me or throw your old latte at me..." ;) >> >>I wouldn't recommend something like that around here, especially >>up here... :) Well, it's ok to have it, but if you start to slow >>down you may not like the results... :) >> >>john >> >>At 03:11 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: >> >> >> >>>Reminds me of bumper sticker I saw recently: "The closer you get, the >>>slower I >>>go." >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] >>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:07 PM >>>To: Kevin Pekarek >>>Cc: john; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; CURTIS KELLEY >>>Subject: Re: 34 mpg - 190d >>> >>> >>>Kevin Pekarek wrote: >>> >>> >>>>LA traffic OTOH, you'll be doing 85, and have three inches clearance >>>> >>>> >>>between >>> >>> >>>>you and the cars in front and behind you. Not much stopping and >>>> >>>> >>>going, so >>> >>> >>>>that counts for freeway miles :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>**** Such driving does increase the bandwidth of the freeway - in >>>terms of >>>cars per hour - but it makes some pretty horrendous accidents sometimes. >>>I prefer three SECONDS of clearance. In fact, I insist on it. >>> >>> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: veggie oil ; I'm in... Right on! I just got my first peice of the puzzle. A totaly rebuilt '74 240d taxi. New motor (fromn the block up), new tranny (rebuild), new suspension. I had the motor built with the right gaskets so as not to have the new bio desiel eat it away. Now after I break it in, it's off to build a veggi-oil processor here in Kenmore (north seattle) I just hope that there is plenty of old fry oil left after all us underground petro engineers get our refinierys built. Anyone have any good advice on how to break in a desiel motor? I'd really like to get my 500,000km merit badge out of this one. - -hue- - --- john wrote: > cool... > > pittsburgh... is that on the west side or east side > of Alabama? ;) > > oh wait, west side, philly is the one on the east > side... > > PA has some nice country, how come it's so lightly > populated??? > > john > > At 04:16 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: > >Back onto diesel-related topics: > > > >I have a friend coming over tomorrow to help weld > two drums for the biodiesel > >processor I'm building. The main processing tank is > in place and all the > >components (think scrap 55 gallon drums) are > sitting, waiting for the MIG gun. > >Hopefully, I'll get some of the plumbing put > together, too. I'll post pics > >next week. > > > >Mike Aimino > >Technical Writer II > >FreeMarkets, Inc. > >210 Sixth Avenue > >Pittsburgh, PA 15222 > >(412) 297-7386 > > > >A.M.D.G. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, > please! > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:12:33 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: 34 mpg - 190d Perhaps its just me but slamming some gang banger off the road in my Mercedes and then preventing him from doing my physical harm with his gun seems like a natural thing to me. Hopefully I would react differently if actually shot at :). Doubt it though :). Robert. john wrote: > At 02:47 PM 5/22/2003 -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: > >> Robert, did you forget your meds again today? > > > rofl... > > maybe the heat and humidity down there in GA is getting to him... ;) > > john > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] >> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:40 PM >> To: john >> Cc: Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net >> Subject: Re: 34 mpg - 190d >> >> >> Hmmmm, >> >> I don't think I could live in those areas though because the newspaper >> headlines would probably read something like "Crazed Psycho rams highway >> shooter off freeway with Mercedes Benz and bludgeons them to death with >> fire extinguisher". >> >> Robert. >> >> john wrote: >> >> > whoever has one of those must have a death wish if they live >> > in LA, the bay area or Seattle... it's like painting a >> > target on your car and saying "please mr. road rage maniac, >> > shoot me, hit me or throw your old latte at me..." ;) >> > >> > I wouldn't recommend something like that around here, especially >> > up here... :) Well, it's ok to have it, but if you start to slow >> > down you may not like the results... :) >> > >> > john >> > >> > At 03:11 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: >> > >> >> Reminds me of bumper sticker I saw recently: "The closer you get, the >> >> slower I >> >> go." >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:07 PM >> >> To: Kevin Pekarek >> >> Cc: john; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; CURTIS KELLEY >> >> Subject: Re: 34 mpg - 190d >> >> >> >> >> >> Kevin Pekarek wrote: >> >> > >> >> > LA traffic OTOH, you'll be doing 85, and have three inches >> clearance >> >> between >> >> > you and the cars in front and behind you. Not much stopping and >> >> going, so >> >> > that counts for freeway miles :) >> >> > >> >> **** Such driving does increase the bandwidth of the freeway - in >> >> terms of >> >> cars per hour - but it makes some pretty horrendous accidents >> sometimes. >> >> I prefer three SECONDS of clearance. In fact, I insist on it. >> >> >> >> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >> > >> > > > > ----------------------------- > Oh well, > I'm a man, > but I can change, > if I have to, > I guess > -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ > ------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:13:31 +0200 (MEST) From: Realist-at-gmx.at Subject: Re: wiring diagram of tachometer No, I'd like to fit a tach to my 240D. I got the sensor at the engine and the tach. Now I have to check the other parts I need. Is this amplifier necessary or are there any cars running a tach without that amplifier thing? Thorsten ................................. Are you having problems with it going off and on? If so there is a tach amp that typically becomes loose. http://electric.articles.mbz.org/300tachamp/ Robert - -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte ldcheln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:01:36 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: wiring diagram of tachometer the amp is necessary... converts the pulses from the engine, you'll have to get the stuff off of another 240d... john At 12:13 AM 5/23/2003 +0200, Realist-at-gmx.at wrote: >No, I'd like to fit a tach to my 240D. I got the sensor at the engine and >the tach. Now I have to check the other parts I need. Is this amplifier >necessary or are there any cars running a tach without that amplifier thing? > >Thorsten > > >................................. >Are you having problems with it going off and on? > >If so there is a tach amp that typically becomes loose. > >http://electric.articles.mbz.org/300tachamp/ > >Robert > > >-- >+++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ >Bitte ldcheln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:04:30 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: veggie oil ; I'm in... drive it normal after about 500 miles... change the oil at 500 miles, 1,000 miles then every 2,000 miles... kenmore... clearview here. ;) not far at all... I'll help you burn up the biodiesel... I might be able to help bring in some veggie oil... have a trailer with dual tanks... :) john At 03:11 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, hue wong wrote: >Right on! > >I just got my first peice of the puzzle. A totaly >rebuilt '74 240d taxi. New motor (fromn the block >up), new tranny (rebuild), new suspension. I had the >motor built with the right gaskets so as not to have >the new bio desiel eat it away. > Now after I break it in, it's off to build a >veggi-oil processor here in Kenmore (north seattle) I >just hope that there is plenty of old fry oil left >after all us underground petro engineers get our >refinierys built. > >Anyone have any good advice on how to break in a >desiel motor? I'd really like to get my 500,000km >merit badge out of this one. >-hue- > > >--- john wrote: > > cool... > > > > pittsburgh... is that on the west side or east side > > of Alabama? ;) > > > > oh wait, west side, philly is the one on the east > > side... > > > > PA has some nice country, how come it's so lightly > > populated??? > > > > john > > > > At 04:16 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael wrote: > > >Back onto diesel-related topics: > > > > > >I have a friend coming over tomorrow to help weld > > two drums for the biodiesel > > >processor I'm building. The main processing tank is > > in place and all the > > >components (think scrap 55 gallon drums) are > > sitting, waiting for the MIG gun. > > >Hopefully, I'll get some of the plumbing put > > together, too. I'll post pics > > >next week. > > > > > >Mike Aimino > > >Technical Writer II > > >FreeMarkets, Inc. > > >210 Sixth Avenue > > >Pittsburgh, PA 15222 > > >(412) 297-7386 > > > > > >A.M.D.G. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they > > mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, > > please! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:28:55 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Value/opinions of 240 D Looking at a 240 D/4 speed. 75/76 model. Would like to here what others paid and how do you like them? What kind of mileage do they get? Thanks, Waylon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Value/opinions of 240 D I just paid 4000.oo for a 74 with a completely shop rebuilt motor, rebuilt tranny and new brakes and supension. I'd say the body was 90% and the interior was 80% This was washington. - --- "Black, Waylon" wrote: > Looking at a 240 D/4 speed. 75/76 model. Would like > to here what others paid > and how do you like them? What kind of mileage do > they get? > > Thanks, > Waylon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:00:14 -0700 From: john Subject: comparisons 190D vs 300CD, updated At 01:58 AM 5/16/2003 -0700, john wrote: MODEL hp tq WB L W H turn Wt 0-60 mpg 190D2.2 72 96 104.9 175 66.1 54.4 35 2700 18.6 35/44 300CD 83 120 106.7 182.6 70.3 54.9 36.1 3399 20.8 23/28 (21.5) Nitske, pg 176/177 - He says that the original coupe did 23/28 mpg, but the turbo version introduced in 1982 was 27/33! Hmmm... can hardly wait to drive the '80 300CD... if I like it then either converting it to a turbo Diesel or selling it and buying a newer one makes sense. :) pg 210/211 - ref: 190D, max engine speed is 5,100 rpm. :) I may run down to Seattle and buy the hood today, other parts due in around the first week of June... If I sell both the 190D and the 300CD I might be able to buy one nice newer 300CD. :) We'll see... The 300CD is growing on me. :) But then again so is 35mpg... :) The 190D is faster, newer, cleaner, has four doors, looks nicer (to my wife) and the beauty of both of them is they're paid for. :) If the WJ finally goes away and frees us up from payments maybe my wife will drive one of these Mercedes and we'll save enough to buy another WJ in a year or so. :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1035 **********************************