From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1037 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, May 25 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1037 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: yikes... 190D defect? Re: yikes... 190D defect? Re: yikes... 190D defect? RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. RE: yikes... 190D defect? Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. Re: yikes... 190D defect? Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. another couple stupid questions Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:54:31 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: yikes... 190D defect? This is great news....a recall to replace heater cores will probably save me a repair down the road.... Mike Frank At 12:26 AM 5/24/03, john wrote: >http://www.american-reporter.com/2105/175.html >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:07:43 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: yikes... 190D defect? Yes...you should file the report on their website (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/). But don't get excited, they'll only investigate after they get dozens of similar reports. There's a defect in the 94-99 SAAB 900's that I reported to them...I thought they would jump on it...car is long gone, still no action from NHTSA. The defect? The gas tank is made of plastic, the various hoses connect to molded-in steel fittings. In time the plastic parts from the steel, allowing a leak. The exhaust pipe runs just 1 inch from the gas tank. SAAB will gladly sell you a new tank, but doesn't acknowledge the defect. It's the kind of thing that you'd like to think they care about. Mike Frank At 04:13 AM 5/24/03, you wrote: > Anybody have any experience filing NHTSA reports and dealing with > defects like this? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:40:48 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: yikes... 190D defect? good point, heater cores on ford taurus's, volvo's and other cars can be very ugly... I like Full Size Jeeps... easy to change... never had to replace one in a Jeep Cherokee... or my benz's... where are they and how hard are they to pull??? john At 07:54 AM 5/24/2003 -0400, Michael Frank wrote: >This is great news....a recall to replace heater cores will probably save >me a repair down the road.... > >Mike Frank > >At 12:26 AM 5/24/03, john wrote: >>http://www.american-reporter.com/2105/175.html >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:57:19 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. That's how is has worked on every other digital radio I've seen, but when I try that on this one it just instantly changes to that preset. I assume there must be a memory button somewhere, but without an owners manual I'm left guessing. BTW, does anybody have a spare owners manual laying around for a 1990 560SEL? JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: Derickam AA [mailto:k7dxx-at-hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:58 PM To: jcjones-at-ifsja.org; Diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. I have owned several brands, and I tune in the station I want, then press the memory number button, where I want it, for 5 to 10 seconds to store it on that number. (example button 1, 2, 3, etc....) Do not know if yours works in a similar fashion or not. Hope this helps. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JC Jones" Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:09:33 -0600 The original radio in my 560SEL works and sounds great. The only reason I would change it out would be to get a CD player - I was hoping to find a later model OEM radio with a CD player to replace it with. However, I can't figure out how to set radio station presets and I don't have an owners manual - anybody feel like enlightening me? My 300D had a perfectly functioning radio too, but it also needed a CD player so it got an aftermarket CD player because of it's age. JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:43 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:35:32PM -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > *** Really? My impression is that it's hard to beat a modern Japanese > radio. The Becker hit the trashcan shortly after I bought my 300D. I must be missing something... I have an OEM radio in my 190, and it seems fine. Sure, the top row of LED's isn't quite functional so you have to be able to read klingon (or use the star button) to know what frequency you are listening to, but that's neither here nor there. Are you guys all running ghetto benzes with limo tint and a pair of subs in the trunk? :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:18:40 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. > That's how is has worked on every other digital radio I've seen, > but when I > try that on this one it just instantly changes to that preset. I assume > there must be a memory button somewhere, but without an owners manual I'm > left guessing. > > BTW, does anybody have a spare owners manual laying around for a 1990 > 560SEL? > > JC Jones :) > The previous owner of my 89 300CE put in a Sony (that I'm aching to replace), so I don't have a handy reference, but if I remember from my 85, when you first push the button, it goes to its current programmed station, I guess to remind you and give you a chance to back out of this. If you continue to hold it down, it will then be reprogrammed to the station you WERE listening to. Try it. MBUSA would have a spare owners manual for you. Call 1-800-FOR-MERC, and see how much they want for it. Also, if you get the repair manuals on CD (for around $125), they will include the owners manual for one model of W126 sedan. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:42:25 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: yikes... 190D defect? > -----Original Message----- > http://www.american-reporter.com/2105/175.html Hmm. The web page is dated a week ago in the page title. The article is dated Jan. 29, 2002 (a Tuesday). The article is just _slightly_ slanted. The article ends stating that closing arguments were set for Monday. Presumably, this would mean February of LAST YEAR. Shouldn't there be a result by now? Page ends with an italic paragraph mentioning that Joe Shea is a plaintiff in a heater core case in Arizona, and a copyright notice of Copyright 2003 Joe Shea. Result: I take this article as an interesting opinion, but not as any indication of proven facts. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:54:30 -0700 From: "DerickAA" Subject: Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. JC, The 190 I sold to Kevin (Becker grand prix) did the same thing you said. However when I pushed the button and held it, it changed back to the station I tuned in and stored it into memory. It took almost 10 full seconds of holding that button down. Here is a more detailed version of how I had to do it. Lets say the current preset is 1000 kHz on memory position 1 I tune to 1210 I want to store 1210 in memory location 1. I press memory button 1 and hold and keep holding. Radio switches back to 1000 kHz for a couple seconds (5 to 10 seconds) Radio finally switches back to 1210 and stores that in memory location 1, then and only then release the button. I cannot tell you how long it took me to figure that out. My past digital radios only took holding the button in for 1 or 2 seconds. I was tuning, holding the button, saying dang it, try it again...... It took me at least 15 min of putzing, to figure it out. Lucky for me I had nothing better to do while sitting in traffic. ;) Now I did have an old alpine where I had to hold the memory button and the ^ arrow at the same time to get it to work. I also had a radio shack stereo where, like you where saying, press he M button and the desired location. However; I admit it may be totally different on your rig. Hang tough you will figure it out. If not you can always punt it! Just make sure you have your steel toed shoes on when you do. ;) Derick - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Jones" To: Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. > That's how is has worked on every other digital radio I've seen, but when I > try that on this one it just instantly changes to that preset. I assume > there must be a memory button somewhere, but without an owners manual I'm > left guessing. > > BTW, does anybody have a spare owners manual laying around for a 1990 > 560SEL? > > JC Jones :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derickam AA [mailto:k7dxx-at-hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:58 PM > To: jcjones-at-ifsja.org; Diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. > > > I have owned several brands, and I tune in the station I want, then press > the memory number button, where I want it, for 5 to 10 seconds to store it > on that number. (example button 1, 2, 3, etc....) > > Do not know if yours works in a similar fashion or not. > > Hope this helps. > > Derick Amburgey > Automated Control Specialist > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "JC Jones" > Reply-To: > To: > Subject: RE: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. > Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:09:33 -0600 > > The original radio in my 560SEL works and sounds great. The only reason I > would change it out would be to get a CD player - I was hoping to find a > later model OEM radio with a CD player to replace it with. > > However, I can't figure out how to set radio station presets and I don't > have an owners manual - anybody feel like enlightening me? > > My 300D had a perfectly functioning radio too, but it also needed a CD > player so it got an aftermarket CD player because of it's age. > > JC Jones :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:43 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. > > > On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:35:32PM -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > *** > Really? My impression is that it's hard to beat a modern Japanese > radio. > The Becker hit the trashcan shortly after I bought my 300D. > > I must be missing something... I have an OEM radio in my 190, and it seems > fine. Sure, the top row of LED's isn't quite functional so you have to be > able to read klingon (or use the star button) to know what frequency you are > listening to, but that's neither here nor there. > > Are you guys all running ghetto benzes with limo tint and a pair of subs in > the trunk? :) > > K > > -- > Kevin Pekarek > Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:26:40 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 06:09:33PM -0600, JC Jones wrote: > The original radio in my 560SEL works and sounds great. The only reason I > would change it out would be to get a CD player - I was hoping to find a > later model OEM radio with a CD player to replace it with. On an unrelated note, how much arse does that 560SEL haul? I can't imagine anything german with that big of an engine being a sloth at all :) How miserable is your mileage? (have to ask this with a gas motor ) > However, I can't figure out how to set radio station presets and I don't > have an owners manual - anybody feel like enlightening me? I just use the * button, and then key in the frequency using the 1-0 numbers at the top. Haven't gotten around to programming the presets yet. > My 300D had a perfectly functioning radio too, but it also needed a CD > player so it got an aftermarket CD player because of it's age. Eh, who needs CD players when you have ham radios and scanners? :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:35:00 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: yikes... 190D defect? Hmmm, Perhaps this is why that car companies cant get away with small settlements. :) I guess when I get into an accident because I had to perform an emergency maneuver and could not because of my power steering I can sue Honda and win stupid amounts of money. It would really make more sense for the car company to figure out what's going on and fix their problems. Then again most car companies dont care about saftey or customer satisfaction. Their bottom line is money. These lawsuits probably cost less than a recall so they dont do a recall. Robert. Michael Frank wrote: > Yes...you should file the report on their website > (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/). But don't get excited, they'll only > investigate after they get dozens of similar reports. There's a defect > in the 94-99 SAAB 900's that I reported to them...I thought they would > jump on it...car is long gone, still no action from NHTSA. The defect? > The gas tank is made of plastic, the various hoses connect to > molded-in steel fittings. In time the plastic parts from the steel, > allowing a leak. The exhaust pipe runs just 1 inch from the gas tank. > SAAB will gladly sell you a new tank, but doesn't acknowledge the > defect. It's the kind of thing that you'd like to think they care about. > > Mike Frank > > At 04:13 AM 5/24/03, you wrote: > >> Anybody have any experience filing NHTSA reports and dealing with >> defects like this? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:37:18 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: WIERD -at-#&%$ W201 Electrical Gremlin....Help! Duh. Update. On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 10:54:30AM -0700, DerickAA wrote: > The 190 I sold to Kevin (Becker grand prix) did the same thing you said. > However when I pushed the button and held it, it changed back to the station > I tuned in and stored it into memory. It took almost 10 full seconds of > holding that button down. Something tells me I should be taking notes here :) > Here is a more detailed version of how I had to do it. > > Lets say the current preset is 1000 kHz on memory position 1 > I tune to 1210 > I want to store 1210 in memory location 1. > I press memory button 1 and hold and keep holding. > Radio switches back to 1000 kHz for a couple seconds (5 to 10 seconds) > Radio finally switches back to 1210 and stores that in memory location 1, > then and only then release the button. Nifty. I'll have to try that when I get out to the car today. > I cannot tell you how long it took me to figure that out. My past digital > radios only took holding the button in for 1 or 2 seconds. I was tuning, > holding the button, saying dang it, try it again...... It took me at least > 15 min of putzing, to figure it out. Lucky for me I had nothing better to do > while sitting in traffic. ;) Well, when it went straight back on me when I was stuck in traffic, I tried it again to make sure I wasn't doing anything stupid, then looked for an 'M' button for saving. Didn't see one of those, but saw this asterik that I didn't know what it did. Wasn't the memory button, but was pretty cool, so I forgot what I was originally trying to do with the radio. Yes, I am very easily amused. You should have been there when I accidentally bumped the PTT button on the alinco in the crown vic while I was in the gas station. The electronic gas pump beeped REALLY loud. That was fun a couple of times, but it was even MORE fun when I parked down the block and did it, and then watched everyone at the gas station look at the unmanned gas pump like they thought it was gonna blow. :) > If not you can always punt it! Just make sure you have your steel toed shoes > on when you do. ;) LOL K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:40:41 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: another couple stupid questions This may be w201 specific, but when I looked under the back of the 190D to figure out what I needed to do to get the e-brake cable installed, I ended up puzzled. What needs to be installed (and the part is in the trunk) is the left side, rear portion of the cable. The front part and the right rear part are installed, but not connected to each other. Now I've figured out (mostly thanks to the CD) that the wheel and brakes need to come apart first, and that the e-brake shoes need to come out, and that's fine. What I don't get is getting the three cables to attach to each other. Each cable has a female eyelet to it. Now I realize I live near San Francisco, but pretty much everywhere else, three females don't make a connection :) Am I missing something? Do I just get a generic bolt from the bolt stash and run the bolt through the three female ends? (lucky bolt ) Or does one eyelet run through the other two and snap in? Does the zip tie on the LR cable mean anything? The CD is kinda vague on how this all goes together (no wonder John doesn't like them), and makes the assumption that the car is completely assembled, and that you (1) have perfect memory and (2) are always starting with a complete car with everything attached. BTW, I changed the oil on the car today, this has got to be the EASIEST car to change the oil in I've ever worked on. I got the car a little warm on the way to work one day, and the oil pressure was a little slow to come up in the mornings (and actually, the last bit came out kinda foamy), so I don't feel too bad about changing it early. Was kinda surprised to see it take more oil than my v8s, but more oil capacity is a very good thing. On an entirely different note, I noticed this car has a fan clutch in it. In all of my american iron with fan clutches, the fan clutch needs to be replaced when you turn off the car and the fan freewheels from momentum long after you have popped the hood open and started staring. The book says this is a magnetic fan clutch, is this normal operation for it? If not, that may explain why it warmed itself up quite a bit while moving real slow in traffic going up a 5% grade... TIA. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1037 **********************************