From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1043 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, May 28 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1043 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear Re: Clunking Sound - Rear Re: Clunking Sound - Rear Re: Clunking Sound - Rear Re: Clunking Sound - Rear Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:44:01 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear At 09:31 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: >Welll... I'm shooting from the hip... but I'll wager my money it's the rear >drive axles (u-joints). haven't looked... don't you mean CV joints? (if they are they are technically double cardan joints so we're both right... ;) does sound right... I really need to find the time to crawl under my Benz's... Have two here, but rarely get under them... jeeps, now that's an entirely different situation, I don't mind sliding under a Jeep and enjoying the view... but getting under one of these little cars is too much like work... don't need to do anything to check under my Jeeps... :) Just go under 'em... Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;) john >VT >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: "T. C. in Kentucky" >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:15 PM >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > > > > gonna share this with the DieselBenz list... mainly because I > > don't know and I've got strange sounds coming from under my 190D as well. > > > > I'd say that the flex discs could be going... hard to say... not > > sure what to expect as there are no u-joints that I'm used to dealing > > with. :) > > > > john > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, T. C. in Kentucky wrote: > > "T. C. in Kentucky" > > >John, > > > Been a member of the fsj-digest for quit some time. Good work > > >or should I say a great service since I understand the feeling of > > >looking for a real job. > > > I need some advice or opinions on a 190E 2.3. I have this > > >ratcheting sound that has continued for about six months. First > > >it was once per month, then nothing for several weeks/month etc., > > >lately it has finally gotten to the point I can cause it to > > >happen, usually when you decelerate for a moment and it will sound > > >off, then you can accelerate an it will stop. > > >Put it on floor jacks today, checked diff. oil level, grabbed > > >drive shaft, axle drives, shocks, checked for excess slop in diff. > > >(quarter inch maybe). Then I lowered one wheel to pavement and > > >accelerated and decelerate - had ratcheting sounds a plenty!!!!!!. > > >(thought I found it...) "Think I will try the other side for > > >tricks" same ratcheting. (sounds like a locker ratcheting on a > > >4X4). > > > I'm back to: 1. Is it the transaxle/u-joints on axles going or > > >gone? > > > 2. Too much wear (slop) in the differential? > > >Any ideas to share? > > > > > > > > >T. C. in Kentucky > > >tcharvey-at-duo-county.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:54:14 -0500 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear Yes, CV joints. A couple of my 123s are out of commission over that issue. VT - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Vernon Tuck" ; "T. C. in Kentucky" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > At 09:31 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: > >Welll... I'm shooting from the hip... but I'll wager my money it's the rear > >drive axles (u-joints). > > haven't looked... don't you mean CV joints? (if they are they are > technically double cardan joints so we're both right... ;) > > does sound right... I really need to find the time to crawl under > my Benz's... Have two here, but rarely get under them... jeeps, now > that's an entirely different situation, I don't mind sliding under a > Jeep and enjoying the view... but getting under one of these little > cars is too much like work... don't need to do anything to check > under my Jeeps... :) Just go under 'em... > > Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;) > > john > > > > >VT > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "john" > >To: "T. C. in Kentucky" > >Cc: > >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:15 PM > >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > > > > > > > gonna share this with the DieselBenz list... mainly because I > > > don't know and I've got strange sounds coming from under my 190D as well. > > > > > > I'd say that the flex discs could be going... hard to say... not > > > sure what to expect as there are no u-joints that I'm used to dealing > > > with. :) > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, T. C. in Kentucky wrote: > > > "T. C. in Kentucky" > > > >John, > > > > Been a member of the fsj-digest for quit some time. Good work > > > >or should I say a great service since I understand the feeling of > > > >looking for a real job. > > > > I need some advice or opinions on a 190E 2.3. I have this > > > >ratcheting sound that has continued for about six months. First > > > >it was once per month, then nothing for several weeks/month etc., > > > >lately it has finally gotten to the point I can cause it to > > > >happen, usually when you decelerate for a moment and it will sound > > > >off, then you can accelerate an it will stop. > > > >Put it on floor jacks today, checked diff. oil level, grabbed > > > >drive shaft, axle drives, shocks, checked for excess slop in diff. > > > >(quarter inch maybe). Then I lowered one wheel to pavement and > > > >accelerated and decelerate - had ratcheting sounds a plenty!!!!!!. > > > >(thought I found it...) "Think I will try the other side for > > > >tricks" same ratcheting. (sounds like a locker ratcheting on a > > > >4X4). > > > > I'm back to: 1. Is it the transaxle/u-joints on axles going or > > > >gone? > > > > 2. Too much wear (slop) in the differential? > > > >Any ideas to share? > > > > > > > > > > > >T. C. in Kentucky > > > >tcharvey-at-duo-county.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:58:36 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear do they sell the half-shafts like they do for some of the fwd cars? shouldn't be too hard to just unbolt these shafts and replace 'em as a unit... I've done VW bus rear axles in minutes... piece of cake... john At 09:54 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: >Yes, CV joints. > >A couple of my 123s are out of commission over that issue. > >VT >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: "Vernon Tuck" ; "T. C. in Kentucky" > >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:44 PM >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > > > > At 09:31 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: > > >Welll... I'm shooting from the hip... but I'll wager my money it's the >rear > > >drive axles (u-joints). > > > > haven't looked... don't you mean CV joints? (if they are they are > > technically double cardan joints so we're both right... ;) > > > > does sound right... I really need to find the time to crawl under > > my Benz's... Have two here, but rarely get under them... jeeps, now > > that's an entirely different situation, I don't mind sliding under a > > Jeep and enjoying the view... but getting under one of these little > > cars is too much like work... don't need to do anything to check > > under my Jeeps... :) Just go under 'em... > > > > Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;) > > > > john > > > > > > > > >VT > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "john" > > >To: "T. C. in Kentucky" > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:15 PM > > >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > > > > > > > > > > gonna share this with the DieselBenz list... mainly because I > > > > don't know and I've got strange sounds coming from under my 190D as >well. > > > > > > > > I'd say that the flex discs could be going... hard to say... not > > > > sure what to expect as there are no u-joints that I'm used to dealing > > > > with. :) > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, T. C. in Kentucky wrote: > > > > "T. C. in Kentucky" > > > > >John, > > > > > Been a member of the fsj-digest for quit some time. Good work > > > > >or should I say a great service since I understand the feeling of > > > > >looking for a real job. > > > > > I need some advice or opinions on a 190E 2.3. I have this > > > > >ratcheting sound that has continued for about six months. First > > > > >it was once per month, then nothing for several weeks/month etc., > > > > >lately it has finally gotten to the point I can cause it to > > > > >happen, usually when you decelerate for a moment and it will sound > > > > >off, then you can accelerate an it will stop. > > > > >Put it on floor jacks today, checked diff. oil level, grabbed > > > > >drive shaft, axle drives, shocks, checked for excess slop in diff. > > > > >(quarter inch maybe). Then I lowered one wheel to pavement and > > > > >accelerated and decelerate - had ratcheting sounds a plenty!!!!!!. > > > > >(thought I found it...) "Think I will try the other side for > > > > >tricks" same ratcheting. (sounds like a locker ratcheting on a > > > > >4X4). > > > > > I'm back to: 1. Is it the transaxle/u-joints on axles going or > > > > >gone? > > > > > 2. Too much wear (slop) in the differential? > > > > >Any ideas to share? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >T. C. in Kentucky > > > > >tcharvey-at-duo-county.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:07:43 -0500 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear Apparently the full repair requires opening up the differential. I don't remember all the details though. It's a fairly expensive repair both as to parts and labor. Again, my comments are as to the 123 cars. I don't know diddly about later models. And I only know half-diddly about the 123 cars. VT - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Vernon Tuck" ; "T. C. in Kentucky" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > do they sell the half-shafts like they do for some of > the fwd cars? shouldn't be too hard to just unbolt > these shafts and replace 'em as a unit... I've done > VW bus rear axles in minutes... piece of cake... > > john > > At 09:54 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: > >Yes, CV joints. > > > >A couple of my 123s are out of commission over that issue. > > > >VT > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "john" > >To: "Vernon Tuck" ; "T. C. in Kentucky" > > > >Cc: > >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:44 PM > >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > > > > > > > At 09:31 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: > > > >Welll... I'm shooting from the hip... but I'll wager my money it's the > >rear > > > >drive axles (u-joints). > > > > > > haven't looked... don't you mean CV joints? (if they are they are > > > technically double cardan joints so we're both right... ;) > > > > > > does sound right... I really need to find the time to crawl under > > > my Benz's... Have two here, but rarely get under them... jeeps, now > > > that's an entirely different situation, I don't mind sliding under a > > > Jeep and enjoying the view... but getting under one of these little > > > cars is too much like work... don't need to do anything to check > > > under my Jeeps... :) Just go under 'em... > > > > > > Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;) > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > >VT > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "john" > > > >To: "T. C. in Kentucky" > > > >Cc: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:15 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear > > > > > > > > > > > > > gonna share this with the DieselBenz list... mainly because I > > > > > don't know and I've got strange sounds coming from under my 190D as > >well. > > > > > > > > > > I'd say that the flex discs could be going... hard to say... not > > > > > sure what to expect as there are no u-joints that I'm used to dealing > > > > > with. :) > > > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, T. C. in Kentucky wrote: > > > > > "T. C. in Kentucky" > > > > > >John, > > > > > > Been a member of the fsj-digest for quit some time. Good work > > > > > >or should I say a great service since I understand the feeling of > > > > > >looking for a real job. > > > > > > I need some advice or opinions on a 190E 2.3. I have this > > > > > >ratcheting sound that has continued for about six months. First > > > > > >it was once per month, then nothing for several weeks/month etc., > > > > > >lately it has finally gotten to the point I can cause it to > > > > > >happen, usually when you decelerate for a moment and it will sound > > > > > >off, then you can accelerate an it will stop. > > > > > >Put it on floor jacks today, checked diff. oil level, grabbed > > > > > >drive shaft, axle drives, shocks, checked for excess slop in diff. > > > > > >(quarter inch maybe). Then I lowered one wheel to pavement and > > > > > >accelerated and decelerate - had ratcheting sounds a plenty!!!!!!. > > > > > >(thought I found it...) "Think I will try the other side for > > > > > >tricks" same ratcheting. (sounds like a locker ratcheting on a > > > > > >4X4). > > > > > > I'm back to: 1. Is it the transaxle/u-joints on axles going or > > > > > >gone? > > > > > > 2. Too much wear (slop) in the differential? > > > > > >Any ideas to share? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >T. C. in Kentucky > > > > > >tcharvey-at-duo-county.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:18:23 -0700 From: Kevin McLaughlin Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear (whoops, bounced the message, used wrong sender address) Actually, this is one of the jobs I've done on my old 123. There are locking rings on the ends of the shafts inside the differential, so it's a bit more complicated: 1. jack up car 2. drain differential 3. remove wheels 3a. remove exhaust pipe to clear some space 4. drop differential (involves removing quite a few bolts here and there; lower it with a jack and rest it on something) 5. remove differential cover 6. pull off locking rings, they have a tab with a hole in it, but you can't just pull on the tab, you've got to get something through that little hole to pull on (a special tool, or a piece of copper wire and some needlenose pliers. this can be a royal pain.) 7. remove a couple other bolts here and there (at least the one in the center of the wheel-mounts that holds the half-shaft in) 8. slide out half shafts 9. proceed in reverse, sort of. get a MB manual for the torque settings for the wheel bolts in the half shafts, and make sure you clean and seal the differential cover. There is some trickiness in getting the half shafts in and out of the wheel mounts and differential, but you'll figure it out (might have to move the differential up and down a bit). Voila. For what it's worth, I did this job and it didn't fix my rattling, but the joint boots were cracked, so it needed to be done anyway. Got the parts from carparts.com, total cost was around $150 in parts, and many hours in labor (maybe 12 - didn't really know what I was doing). I bet I could do it in 4 hours now. Oh, and hello everyone, I don't say much on this list though I enjoy reading it. Thought I'd chime in since this is a job I remember very vividly. - -Kevin At 7:58 PM -0700 5/27/03, john wrote: >do they sell the half-shafts like they do for some of >the fwd cars? shouldn't be too hard to just unbolt >these shafts and replace 'em as a unit... I've done >VW bus rear axles in minutes... piece of cake... > >john > >At 09:54 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: >>Yes, CV joints. >> >>A couple of my 123s are out of commission over that issue. >> >>VT >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "john" >>To: "Vernon Tuck" ; "T. C. in Kentucky" >> >>Cc: >>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:44 PM >>Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear >> >> >> > At 09:31 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote: >> > >Welll... I'm shooting from the hip... but I'll wager my money it's the >>rear >> > >drive axles (u-joints). >> > >> > haven't looked... don't you mean CV joints? (if they are they are >> > technically double cardan joints so we're both right... ;) >> > >> > does sound right... I really need to find the time to crawl under >> > my Benz's... Have two here, but rarely get under them... jeeps, now >> > that's an entirely different situation, I don't mind sliding under a >> > Jeep and enjoying the view... but getting under one of these little >> > cars is too much like work... don't need to do anything to check >> > under my Jeeps... :) Just go under 'em... >> > >> > Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;) >> > >> > john >> > >> > >> > >> > >VT >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "john" >> > >To: "T. C. in Kentucky" >> > >Cc: >> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:15 PM >> > >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear >> > > >> > > >> > > > gonna share this with the DieselBenz list... mainly because I >> > > > don't know and I've got strange sounds coming from under my 190D as >>well. >> > > > >> > > > I'd say that the flex discs could be going... hard to say... not >> > > > sure what to expect as there are no u-joints that I'm used to dealing >> > > > with. :) >> > > > >> > > > john >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > At 07:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, T. C. in Kentucky wrote: >> > > > "T. C. in Kentucky" >> > > > >John, >> > > > > Been a member of the fsj-digest for quit some time. Good work >> > > > >or should I say a great service since I understand the feeling of >> > > > >looking for a real job. >> > > > > I need some advice or opinions on a 190E 2.3. I have this >> > > > >ratcheting sound that has continued for about six months. First >> > > > >it was once per month, then nothing for several weeks/month etc., >> > > > >lately it has finally gotten to the point I can cause it to >> > > > >happen, usually when you decelerate for a moment and it will sound >> > > > >off, then you can accelerate an it will stop. >> > > > >Put it on floor jacks today, checked diff. oil level, grabbed >> > > > >drive shaft, axle drives, shocks, checked for excess slop in diff. >> > > > >(quarter inch maybe). Then I lowered one wheel to pavement and >> > > > >accelerated and decelerate - had ratcheting sounds a plenty!!!!!!. >> > > > >(thought I found it...) "Think I will try the other side for >> > > > >tricks" same ratcheting. (sounds like a locker ratcheting on a >> > > > >4X4). >> > > > > I'm back to: 1. Is it the transaxle/u-joints on axles going or >> > > > >gone? >> > > > > 2. Too much wear (slop) in the differential? >> > > > >Any ideas to share? >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >T. C. in Kentucky >> > > > >tcharvey-at-duo-county.com >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1043 **********************************