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diesel-benz-digest      Wednesday, May 28 2003      Volume 01 : Number 1045



Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles
       Derick Amburgey <k7dxx-at-hotmail.com>
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Contents:

	Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
	Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
	Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
	Re: Looking at a 300CD
	Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
	Re: Clunking Sound - Rear

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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:59:04 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear

At 09:44 PM 5/27/2003 -0700, Derickam AA wrote:
><Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;)
>john >
>
>There is a visual I did NOT need......
>Please don't.....

hey, it's better then slamming it and putting puny tires on it... ;)

just think... we'd be able to see over traffic...  you know, if
I take the axles off of my son's '79 Cherokee, and then modify
the TH400's I have sitting around...  hmmm...  ;)  then it would
need a brush guard and nerf bars...  maybe a winch... :)

Y'all should be thankful it looks like this '80 300CD is going
to come together halfway decent.  :)   I was having thoughts
that would upset some of the purists on the lists. ;)

I guess that's what I like about Full Size Jeeps... they almost need
to be modified...  Mercedes did a good job of engineering...
impressive machines.   I still think it would be cool to put
a Mercedes on a 4x4 chassis, I know, it's been done before, several
times...  one of these days I'm going to do something radical like that...
like stuffing a 3.8L V6 into an '81 Chevy Luv and then putting the
same motor into a '67 Wagoneer wasn't radical enough... :)

BTW, any idea what a slightly wounded, but driveable '80 300CD
with just over 200k on it should get on the market?  :)  We'll
see how wounded when I get done. ;)  If I can get the headlights
to mount properly with the damaged fender I'm going to consider
leaving it that way... otherwise I may spend more money (also
dependent on the job situation) and buy a fender and maybe even
have the hood and fender repainted... but why stop there?  ;)  the
entire car could benefit from paint, and window seals and and and...
that's why I'm doing the low budget functional approach...  too many
little things to keep it from being a classic worth restoring right
now... but someday... and someday will continue to be an option for
this 300CD... :)

anyway, this thing will need a good home once I get it functional.
it'll be a nice commuter for some one...  of course if I don't
get a job I may sell the 190D to live on and end up driving the
wounded 300CD.  :)  We'll see... PTL that I have options.  :)  Getting
that door open was a major breakthrough.  :)  Next step is mounting
the hood and lining up the front rad support... then getting the parts
to install and plumb it all in... weekend after next this thing should
be on the road... this weekend is a men's retreat at our church so
nothing will get done... and I may end up with a job on the 2nd of June, 
2nd interview is Thursday...  of course having a job will cut into my benz
repair time... ;)

john

>:)

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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:04:38 -0700
From: Eric Ditwiler <eric_ditwiler-at-hmc.edu>
Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear

i just did the axles on my 300CD and the job is not half as bad as the 
manual makes it out to be:

Jack the rear of the car
pull the wheels
pull the calipers (you will need a breaker bar they are on tight)
unscrew the tiny bolt in the middle of the wheel
drive axles out of brake discs with brass drift
Unscrew the diff cover from the bottom of the body (also on tight)
drain fluid
take off diff cover
pull out little clips with vice grips (you will have to spin the axles 
to find them)
Compress axles and remove

installation is reverse except be sure to use locktite on the caliper 
bolts and on the bolts that hang the diff cover from the body

all 123 axles are the same--right and left are the same.

I got mine for $20 each at the local you pick you save--off a 81 300D

they were almost brand new:  dated 7/03/02


On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 08:07  PM, Vernon Tuck wrote:

> Apparently the full repair requires opening up the differential.  I 
> don't
> remember all the details though.  It's a fairly expensive repair both 
> as to
> parts and labor.
>
> Again, my comments are as to the 123 cars.  I don't know diddly about 
> later
> models.  And I only know half-diddly about the 123 cars.
> VT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
> To: "Vernon Tuck" <vtuck-at-tucklings.com>; "T. C. in Kentucky"
> <tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
> Cc: <diesel-benz-at-digest.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
>
>
>> do they sell the half-shafts like they do for some of
>> the fwd cars?  shouldn't be too hard to just unbolt
>> these shafts and replace 'em as a unit... I've done
>> VW bus rear axles in minutes...  piece of cake...
>>
>> john
>>
>> At 09:54 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote:
>>> Yes, CV joints.
>>>
>>> A couple of my 123s are out of commission over that issue.
>>>
>>> VT
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
>>> To: "Vernon Tuck" <vtuck-at-tucklings.com>; "T. C. in Kentucky"
>>> <tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
>>> Cc: <diesel-benz-at-digest.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
>>>
>>>
>>>> At 09:31 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote:
>>>>> Welll... I'm shooting from the hip... but I'll wager my money it's
> the
>>> rear
>>>>> drive axles (u-joints).
>>>>
>>>> haven't looked... don't you mean CV joints? (if they are they are
>>>> technically double cardan joints so we're both right... ;)
>>>>
>>>> does sound right...  I really need to find the time to crawl under
>>>> my Benz's... Have two here, but rarely get under them...  jeeps, now
>>>> that's an entirely different situation, I don't mind sliding under a
>>>> Jeep and enjoying the view... but getting under one of these little
>>>> cars is too much like work... don't need to do anything to check
>>>> under my Jeeps... :)  Just go under 'em...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;)
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> VT
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
>>>>> To: "T. C. in Kentucky" <tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
>>>>> Cc: <diesel-benz-at-digest.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> gonna share this with the DieselBenz list... mainly because I
>>>>>> don't know and I've got strange sounds coming from under my 190D
> as
>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say that the flex discs could be going... hard to say...  not
>>>>>> sure what to expect as there are no u-joints that I'm used to
> dealing
>>>>>> with. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> john
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 07:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, T. C.  in  Kentucky wrote:
>>>>>> "T. C.  in  Kentucky" <tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>     Been a member of the fsj-digest for quit some time.  Good
> work
>>>>>>> or should I say a great service since I understand the feeling of
>>>>>>> looking for a real job.
>>>>>>>     I need some advice or opinions on a 190E 2.3.  I have this
>>>>>>> ratcheting sound that has continued for about six months.  First
>>>>>>> it was once per month, then nothing for several weeks/month etc.,
>>>>>>> lately it has finally gotten to the point I can cause it to
>>>>>>> happen, usually when you decelerate for a moment and it will
> sound
>>>>>>> off, then you can accelerate an it will stop.
>>>>>>> Put it on floor jacks today, checked diff. oil level, grabbed
>>>>>>> drive shaft, axle drives, shocks, checked for excess slop in
> diff.
>>>>>>> (quarter inch maybe).  Then I lowered one wheel to pavement and
>>>>>>> accelerated and decelerate - had ratcheting sounds a
> plenty!!!!!!.
>>>>>>> (thought I found it...) "Think I will try the other side for
>>>>>>> tricks"  same ratcheting. (sounds like a locker ratcheting on a
>>>>>>> 4X4).
>>>>>>>  I'm back to:  1. Is it the transaxle/u-joints on axles going or
>>>>>>> gone?
>>>>>>>                     2. Too much wear (slop) in the differential?
>>>>>>> Any ideas to share?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T. C. in Kentucky
>>>>>>> tcharvey-at-duo-county.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>                    http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
>>>>>>        Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
>>>>>>           Jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
>>>>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>                    http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
>>>>        Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
>>>>           Jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                    http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
>>        Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
>>           Jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:48:31 -0400
From: "J.B. Hebert" <jhebert-at-wrxtra.com>
Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear

Problem is, that's 3 times more detailed and accurate than anything 
Chiltons can put out.

J.B.

At 10:26 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Kevin!
>
>If I were the publisher of "Chilton's Manual" I'd offer you a blinkin' job!
>
>Good job!
>
>Thanks!
>Vernon
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin McLaughlin" <superk-at-umich.edu>
>To: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>; "Vernon Tuck" <vtuck-at-tucklings.com>; "T. C.
>in Kentucky" <tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
>Cc: <diesel-benz-at-digest.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:18 PM
>Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
>
>
> > (whoops, bounced the message, used wrong sender address)
> >
> > Actually, this is one of the jobs I've done on my old 123.  There are
> > locking rings on the ends of the shafts inside the differential, so
> > it's a bit more complicated:
> >
> > 1. jack up car
> > 2. drain differential
> > 3. remove wheels
> > 3a. remove exhaust pipe to clear some space
> > 4. drop differential (involves removing quite a few bolts here and
> > there; lower it with a jack and rest it on something)
> > 5. remove differential cover
> > 6. pull off locking rings, they have a tab with a hole in it, but you
> > can't just pull on the tab, you've got to get something through that
> > little hole to pull on (a special tool, or a piece of copper wire and
> > some needlenose pliers.  this can be a royal pain.)
> > 7. remove a couple other bolts here and there (at least the one in
> > the center of the wheel-mounts that holds the half-shaft in)
> > 8. slide out half shafts
> > 9. proceed in reverse, sort of.  get a MB manual for the torque
> > settings for the wheel bolts in the half shafts, and make sure you
> > clean and seal the differential cover.
> >
> > There is some trickiness in getting the half shafts in and out of the
> > wheel mounts and differential, but you'll figure it out (might have
> > to move the differential up and down a bit).
> >
> > Voila.  For what it's worth, I did this job and it didn't fix my
> > rattling, but the joint boots were cracked, so it needed to be done
> > anyway.  Got the parts from carparts.com, total cost was around $150
> > in parts, and many hours in labor (maybe 12 - didn't really know what
> > I was doing).
> >
> > I bet I could do it in 4 hours now.
> >
> > Oh, and hello everyone, I don't say much on this list though I enjoy
> > reading it.  Thought I'd chime in since this is a job I remember very
> > vividly.
> >
> > -Kevin
> >
> > At 7:58 PM -0700 5/27/03, john wrote:
> > >do they sell the half-shafts like they do for some of
> > >the fwd cars?  shouldn't be too hard to just unbolt
> > >these shafts and replace 'em as a unit... I've done
> > >VW bus rear axles in minutes...  piece of cake...
> > >
> > >john
> > >
> > >At 09:54 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote:
> > >>Yes, CV joints.
> > >>
> > >>A couple of my 123s are out of commission over that issue.
> > >>
> > >>VT
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
> > >>To: "Vernon Tuck" <vtuck-at-tucklings.com>; "T. C. in Kentucky"
> > >><tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
> > >>Cc: <diesel-benz-at-digest.net>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:44 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  > At 09:31 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Vernon Tuck wrote:
> > >>  > >Welll... I'm shooting from the hip... but I'll wager my money it's
>the
> > >>rear
> > >>  > >drive axles (u-joints).
> > >>  >
> > >>  > haven't looked... don't you mean CV joints? (if they are they are
> > >>  > technically double cardan joints so we're both right... ;)
> > >>  >
> > >>  > does sound right...  I really need to find the time to crawl under
> > >>  > my Benz's... Have two here, but rarely get under them...  jeeps, now
> > >>  > that's an entirely different situation, I don't mind sliding under a
> > >>  > Jeep and enjoying the view... but getting under one of these little
> > >>  > cars is too much like work... don't need to do anything to check
> > >>  > under my Jeeps... :)  Just go under 'em...
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Maybe we should look into a lift kit for the 190D... ;)
> > >>  >
> > >>  > john
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > >VT
> > >>  > >----- Original Message -----
> > >>  > >From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
> > >>  > >To: "T. C. in Kentucky" <tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
> > >>  > >Cc: <diesel-benz-at-digest.net>
> > >>  > >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:15 PM
> > >>  > >Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > > gonna share this with the DieselBenz list... mainly because I
> > >>  > > > don't know and I've got strange sounds coming from under my 190D
>as
> > >>well.
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > I'd say that the flex discs could be going... hard to say...
>not
> > >>  > > > sure what to expect as there are no u-joints that I'm used to
>dealing
> > >>  > > > with. :)
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > john
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > At 07:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, T. C.  in  Kentucky wrote:
> > >>  > > > "T. C.  in  Kentucky" <tcharvey-at-duo-county.com>
> > >>  > > > >John,
> > >>  > > > >     Been a member of the fsj-digest for quit some time.  Good
>work
> > >>  > > > >or should I say a great service since I understand the feeling
>of
> > >>  > > > >looking for a real job.
> > >>  > > > >     I need some advice or opinions on a 190E 2.3.  I have this
> > >>  > > > >ratcheting sound that has continued for about six months.
>First
> > >>  > > > >it was once per month, then nothing for several weeks/month
>etc.,
> > >>  > > > >lately it has finally gotten to the point I can cause it to
> > >>  > > > >happen, usually when you decelerate for a moment and it will
>sound
> > >>  > > > >off, then you can accelerate an it will stop.
> > >>  > > > >Put it on floor jacks today, checked diff. oil level, grabbed
> > >>  > > > >drive shaft, axle drives, shocks, checked for excess slop in
>diff.
> > >>  > > > >(quarter inch maybe).  Then I lowered one wheel to pavement and
> > >>  > > > >accelerated and decelerate - had ratcheting sounds a
>plenty!!!!!!.
> > >>  > > > >(thought I found it...) "Think I will try the other side for
> > >>  > > > >tricks"  same ratcheting. (sounds like a locker ratcheting on a
> > >>  > > > >4X4).
> > >>  > > > >  I'm back to:  1. Is it the transaxle/u-joints on axles going
>or
> > >>  > > > >gone?
> > >>  > > > >                     2. Too much wear (slop) in the
>differential?
> > >>  > > > >Any ideas to share?
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >T. C. in Kentucky
> > >>  > > > >tcharvey-at-duo-county.com
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>  > > >                    http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
> > >>  > > >        Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
> > >>  > > >           Jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
> > >>  > >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>  >                    http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
> > >>  >        Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
> > >>  >           Jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
> > >>  > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>  >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
> > >       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
> > >          Jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anaeis N <anaeisn-at-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Looking at a 300CD

I paid $6,000 in Florida for my olive green '82 turbo CD with new transmission, working air, new tires, no rust, nice interior, 213,000 miles.

Where is this red one located? I'm interested if you're not.
RW
 
> 
> At 04:24 PM 5/27/03, you wrote:
> >Hey, all:
> >
> >I have a lead on a nice '83 300CD with 100,000 miles on it. It was a FL 
> >car, red with tan interior. Supposed to be very nice. It's near my 
> >parent's place, so I'm having my dad look at it. Here's the 
> >question: the ad makes the car sound very nice. If it is indeed in the 
> >condition listed (excellent paint, no rust, great interior, everything 
> >works) what is it worth? I see these cars going for $6 to $7k with higher 
> >mileage. Is this a fluke, or are they really worth that much? Just want 
> >to know what to offer the guy if I'm indeed interested and don't want to 
> >insult him by accident.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >J.B.
Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:08:35 -0700
From: "Paul Schwartz" <pschw-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear

> to be modified...  Mercedes did a good job of engineering...
> impressive machines.   I still think it would be cool to put
> a Mercedes on a 4x4 chassis, I know, it's been done before, several
> times...  one of these days I'm going to do something radical like that...

I'd just buy a Unimog.

Paul

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:43:11 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: Clunking Sound - Rear

At 10:08 AM 5/28/2003 -0700, Paul Schwartz wrote:
>I'd just buy a Unimog.
>Paul

now that would be the ultimate Seattle commuter... :)

john



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